Letter From Sister Fatima in Prison Abu Ghraib; HELP HELP!!!

[~Raindrop~]

salaams.good question, sis. wassalam

 

[imaad_udeen]

so would you class american soldiers as terrorists?noting they have killed innocents-intentionally?

There are some American soldiers (very few in my opinion) who have killed innocents intentionally and I would classify them as terrorists individually.

I would do the same for any Iraqi insurgent who kills innocents intentioally.

That's a no brainer.

 

[imaad_udeen]

Corning this letter, my feelings are that it is a hoax, cleverly designed to further inflame tensions.

From what I have heard, the US is holding no women prisoner in Abu Ghraib.

 

[- Qatada -]

From what I have heard, the US is holding no women prisoner in Abu Ghraib.

what source was that from bro? and what makes you think, from all these crimes they've commited, that they've never raped any muslim sister? man seriosly we know that not all americans are like that but the majority of the kufar are corrupt these days.. its well obvious from what we see on the media, and what limits do they have? they dont believe in any god (except some christians who believe jesus has taken away all they sins already.)


"You see the believers as regards their being merciful among themselves and showing love among themselves and being kind, resembling one body, so that, if any part of the body is not well then the whole body shares the sleeplessness (insomnia) and fever with it."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 40, Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir.


seriosly you need to realise that us muslims are one body, we dont side for the kuffar, but no matter what race, background, nationality we from - we will all return to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala as believers or non believers. so back up the muslims, support them, feel for them but dont back up the kuffar just because they part of your country..

the pure example of not supporting someone, even if they belong to your own, tribe/country wont affect you is the example of our beloved Prophet sal Allaahu alayhi wasalam, and how even though he belonged to the quraish - he had to fight against them for islam to prevail and to defend islam.

sooner or later we may even get kicked out of our countries, whether we like it or not - they may kick us out due to the increase of pressure.. they wont care that your american - but they'll look at you as a muslim... a 'terrorist'. we really need to open our eyes and realise that we're not americans, pakistanis, saudis.. but we're all Muslims, we a billion people in the world who want peace, justice, the joining of kin, charity.. the list goes on, and no matter where we come from - we will return to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala again, some will be happy to return - whereas others will hate returning back to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala.

Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala wont judge us on our country.. our race. but we will be judged on how we supported that one body of islam.. thats how we want to return to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala.


Allaah u a'lam.


wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

 

[bin direnken]

Sigh. This is what is wrong with Islam in my opinion. Akhee, thank you for giving us a good example of the prejudices that Islam breeds, even in America.

Akhee takes the approach of it's "us" against "them", which is an unhealthy manner in which to view such a diverse, melting pot, population. There is no good that can come from our alienating ourselves from the rest of the world, and some healthy goals to strive for in our search for peace is teaching our ummah tolerance and equality.

If we are really to all get along, we need to stop calling others "dirty kufr" and other belittling names, and start treating others with the same compassion and understanding that we expect to receive.

 

[TEH]

There is no good that can come from our alienating ourselves from the rest of the world

Yeah, youre saying that, yet youre coming out with this...

But there are guidelines as to what they can do to these guys. Some are not the nicest treatments, but they spare the inmate of being permanently unharmed. If it's sucessful in gathering information to keep America safe and the prisoners are safe as well, then it's beneficial.

No American military man is looking to rape Muslim inmates, that's preposterous. Even in the pictures of Abu Gharib described, only Americans were the ones having sex..and that was with each other.

Muslim women are not attractive to American men. And this article amounts to a carefully planned article, meant to incite Muslim anger by the extremists.

So I mean, who sounds more alienated...

:hmm:

 

[- Qatada -]

i just want to point out that if they 'dont rape muslim women/sisters because their not attractive to them' them how come they even rape the brothers.. yeh the kufar men rape even the muslim brothers.

if you read the articles of some brothers who have been in guantamo bay.. belmarsh. etc. you would realise what they have to go through... they want our help yet we just sit here like they people we dont even know.


And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" (4:75)


wa Salaam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

 

[imaad_udeen]

what source was that from bro? and what makes you think, from all these crimes they've commited, that they've never raped any muslim sister?

Um, bro, I don't think I said whether or not any US soldiers raped any Iraqi women. I'm sure it has happened. I'm sure Iraqi men have raped Iraqi women. Rape is a terrible crime no matter what nationality the rapist is.

I just do not believe the letter is authentic.

The US claims to be holding a grand total of 5 Iraqi women, 3 of them are at Abu Ghraib, so my mistake on that.

man seriosly we know that not all americans are like that but the majority of the kufar are corrupt these days..

Pretty serious accusation there.

so back up the muslims, support them, feel for them but dont back up the kuffar just because they part of your country..

I back what I think is right and I think that the Iraqi insurgency is wrong. They kill too many Muslims and bring no good to the table.

we really need to open our eyes and realise that we're not americans, pakistanis, saudis.. but we're all Muslims, we a billion people in the world who want peace, justice, the joining of kin, charity.. the list goes on, and no matter where we come from - we will return to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala again, some will be happy to return - whereas others will hate returning back to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala.

Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala wont judge us on our country.. our race. but we will be judged on how we supported that one body of islam.. thats how we want to return to Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala.

Nicely said. But the question is what is best for the Muslims? People like al-Zarqawi and the other insurgents who blow up innocent people with no remorse and do nothing but terror? Or the Americans who toppled a brutal dictator and proficient killer of Muslims (who has killed more Muslims in the last 30 years than Saddam Hussein?), bleeds to help defend and rebuild Iraq and pumps billions of dollars a month into Iraq to rebuild the infrastructure?

 

[S_87]

Akhee takes the approach of it's "us" against "them", which is an unhealthy manner in which to view such a diverse, melting pot, population. There is no good that can come from our alienating ourselves from the rest of the world, and some healthy goals to strive for in our search for peace is teaching our ummah tolerance and equality.

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''you are either with us or the terrorists'' -mr bush

i dont see any alienating. stand up for whats true. dont believe everything in the media..theres no such thing as 'insurgents' in iraq. they are merely fighting for their land and right

this war is based on lies. we only know a tiny bit of of the horror there.

There are some American soldiers (very few in my opinion) who have killed innocents intentionally and I would classify them as terrorists individually.

lol lol lol
i quote an american soldier- the battle of falluja-how would he explain it?

'a massive killing of....arabs'

another confirmed they shot innocents.
hey just take a look at some recent news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4456244.stm

yikes what was their crime? going to a funeral?
may their souls be in Jannah and may they be accepted as matyrs.

I back what I think is right and I think that the Iraqi insurgency is wrong. They kill too many Muslims and bring no good to the table.

why???!!! because they defended their land. again thats funny if it werent sad.
i wholeheartedly agree that those taking out anger on muslims are wrong. to kill another muslim is wrong. but you see, the question is, who is behind this? who is putting off the bombs? they blame it on zarqawi-who is zarqawi- they killed children- did they mistake these children to be zarqawi- you see the americans (if zarqawis alive) know exactly where he is. but it dont suit them to catch him now does it?

 

[imaad_udeen]

lol lol lol
i quote an american soldier- the battle of falluja-how would he explain it?

'a massive killing of....arabs'

another confirmed they shot innocents.
hey just take a look at some recent news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4456244.stm

yikes what was their crime? going to a funeral?
may their souls be in Jannah and may they be accepted as matyrs.

LOL. Yea, and that guy doesn't have an agenda. That guy didn't even enter Fallujah until the last day of the operation and didn't witness any actual combat. His story has been debunked.

why???!!! because they defended their land. again thats funny if it werent sad.
i wholeheartedly agree that those taking out anger on muslims are wrong. to kill another muslim is wrong. but you see, the question is, who is behind this? who is putting off the bombs? they blame it on zarqawi-who is zarqawi- they killed children- did they mistake these children to be zarqawi- you see the americans (if zarqawis alive) know exactly where he is. but it dont suit them to catch him now does it?

Let me guess, Muslims do no wrong. It's all Americans behind it, and behind the Americans are the evil Jews, right? Come on, you sound like a broken record, same old trash. You don't know what you are talking about, sis.

 

[S_87]

nah i dont know what im talking about..your right :thumbs_up

i admit muslims are far from perfect
but to be made out as villians for protecting their own land. come on thats ridiculus
and thats what youve done

 

[meknesi]

Corning this letter, my feelings are that it is a hoax, cleverly designed to further inflame tensions.

From what I have heard, the US is holding no women prisoner in Abu Ghraib.

How insulting can you be Subhanallah look at the ummah nowadays sister getting raped and we see the evidences and we know how the kuffar are and we make excuses for them what Cowardly talk....and again What cowardly talk are we trying to make ourselves feel better by trying to hide the truth look the Ummah of nabi Muhhamed pbuh its so sad to see instead we should be marching and fighting for Allah and defending our people we defend the kuffar that kills thousands of u everyday Allah will hold us all accountable brothers wake up.
wsalam
sorry :brother:

 

[~Raindrop~]

How insulting can you be Subhanallah look at the ummah nowadays sister getting raped and we see the evidences and we know how the kuffar are and we make excuses for them what Cowardly talk....and again What cowardly talk are we trying to make ourselves feel better by trying to hide the truth look the Ummah of nabi Muhhamed pbuh its so sad to see instead we should be marching and fighting for Allah and defending our people we defend the kuffar that kills thousands of u everyday Allah will hold us all accountable brothers wake up.
wsalam
sorry :brother:

i agree with you bro.
wassalam

 

[- Qatada -]

Salaam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

i really dont want to start a massive debate like bro ansar and czgibson do in their comparative religion topics. but i want to put my main points across insha Allaah.

Um, bro, I don't think I said whether or not any US soldiers raped any Iraqi women. I'm sure it has happened. I'm sure Iraqi men have raped Iraqi women. Rape is a terrible crime no matter what nationality the rapist is.

yeah i agree, rape is a horrendous crime because it affects the sisters physically, emotionally, mentally, socially - nearly in every way possible. no matter who it is commited by, it is a big crime but if the american soldiers have gone there to get justice, then why are they doing this?

I just do not believe the letter is authentic.

The US claims to be holding a grand total of 5 Iraqi women, 3 of them are at Abu Ghraib, so my mistake on that.

the US claimed that there were WMD within iraq too, were they truthful? did they have any proof of that before they had invaded? they believed that osama was in afghanistan too, yet after they had destroyed all the muslim families, osama bin laden was nowhere? where could he have gone?

why is it that there statistics rarely have a conclusion? or at least a positive conclusion?

I back what I think is right and I think that the Iraqi insurgency is wrong. They kill too many Muslims and bring no good to the table.

are the americans making it any easier? the majority of the people in iraq believed that life was easier before 'the heros' came along.

Nicely said. But the question is what is best for the Muslims? People like al-Zarqawi and the other insurgents who blow up innocent people with no remorse and do nothing but terror? Or the Americans who toppled a brutal dictator and proficient killer of Muslims (who has killed more Muslims in the last 30 years than Saddam Hussein?), bleeds to help defend and rebuild Iraq and pumps billions of dollars a month into Iraq to rebuild the infrastructure?

i dont agree with that, like i said above; the majority of the people in iraq said that they were in a better situation a few years back before the americans came. the americans caused even more terror than the iraqis did, and even though there was terror before - trust me; the majority of the muslim (even if they did terrorist acts) didn't rape muslim sisters wherever they went.

most of the acts are done, maybe due to the sects within the religion. the fight between shia' and sunni? but they may fight - but they still believe that Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala exists, they all know that rape is a crime unlike the americans who dont even believe that a god is watching over them. in society too, the americans take sex like a common thing, whereas in muslim countries it is still counted as a taboo.

referring to your part about the americans pumping in billions of dollars, where does it say that? do you really believe they would give that much? or is it just a deal of stealing the oil and giving flour and rice to some of the people there?



Abu Nadhrah says: "We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: 'Soon the people of IRAQ will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.'" We asked, "Why would such a thing happen?" He replied, "Because of the non-Arabs." (i.e they will prevent food from going into Iraq, in the form of "sanctions" to this day.) He then said: "Soon the people of Shaam (SYRIA) will neither receive any money nor grain." We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: "Because of the Romans (christians)."


Allaah u a'lam. (Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala knows best.)


wa Salaam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Salam alakam

Let them enjoy it now but remember this brothers and sisters who will be the ones planning and laughing in the end? And remember Allah swt is the best of all planners

 

[afriend2]

Yes, there are bad things that go on in prisons, no one will deny that. We all saw plenty of pictures of the embarassing photos meant to weaken wills. American's are attempting to get information from the inmates so that they can possibly thwart another terrorist attack. But there are guidelines as to what they can do to these guys. Some are not the nicest treatments, but they spare the inmate of being permanently unharmed. If it's sucessful in gathering information to keep America safe and the prisoners are safe as well, then it's beneficial.

No American military man is looking to rape Muslim inmates, that's preposterous. Even in the pictures of Abu Gharib described, only Americans were the ones having sex..and that was with each other.

Muslim women are not attractive to American men. And this article amounts to a carefully planned article, meant to incite Muslim anger by the extremists.

Don't buy it.

dear brother, there are a lot of things that happen in the prisons, and Allah knows best as to what goes on. but i know that the americans are abusing the prisoners, whether mentally, physically and sexually hurting them and this isnt just for the benefit of the people but it is because of the embarassment and the effect it will have on all our muslim brothers and sisters. the disgraceful work is preposterous and degrading, do not turn a blind eye to this.

all this has been happening for a long time, and i do not believe it was created by 'extremists'.

even the media from the west has gathered some information about the foul work that had been done by the soldiers. did you not see the pictures with your own eyes?

 

[libyanhero]

Brother bin direnken no offense but you gotta go straighten some Issues

"Muslim women arnt attractive to American men" what's that supposed to be an insult. arguing with you is just gonna make me sink to your low level so good luck and gets some sense before you speak and don't insult people like that

If you haven't known our women have meanings in thier lives and are beautiful in every aspect of their lives and are the most precious and the most respected Mashallah not like your dirty slags who sleep with any bum they find on the streets.

 

[........]

salaam..some people here feel more comfortable to believe that americans are treating muslims good in prisons...and prefer to close their eyes to the reality...trusting kaffirs and ennemy of the ummah...
well thats really sad coz wheither are our thoughts or believes the reality is not going to change and our brothers and sisters are tortured and raped in the american prison..and if u take time to look for that u r going to find a thousend of proofs and witnesses f...and i can say that i know one personnaly who was in guatanamo...
we have brains to think and to seek for the truth...we shouldnt wait that others tell us liers...and believe them stupidly...and we are going to be asked in yawmulkiyamah wot have we done to help our brothers and sisters..and pls if u cant at least dont spread kufars liers just shut up...and live quitly..
wasalaam

 

[bin direnken]

My apologies. I didn't mean to offend anybody.

But my generalizations still stand. It is very true that in this country traditional Muslima facial features and body types are not typically sought by the typical American male. Physically, they do not have the petite, small facial features and soft, smooth textures that detail most non-Muslims. And as one other thread has already stated, most men (regardless of faith) want the best looking women to produce their offspring.

Now I'm speaking generally, but I've found that Muslima's bridge this unfair gap by competing for husbands with 'chastity' and 'piousness.' It's a way to remove the genetics aspect in hopes of providing a more favorable outcome for future relationships. And it seems to work well for them. Muslima's have been successful in making the word 'modesty' almost believable.

While I think that positive moral standards are great, when it comes down to it, all women are universally similar. The reigns can be loosened to allow more personal freedoms in a relationship, but women's philosophies all stem from the same tree. They are looking for someone to provide for them and are a lifetime liability. Thus, it's survival of the fittest.

 

[Malaikah]

The thing i found suspicious about the letter was the fact it exists.. how could she firstly have gotten a pen and paper to right with and who did she then manage to smuggle the letter out? that issue puzzles me. i reserve judgement about its authenticity.

Unless its is known how the letter got out and i just dont know about it?
wassalam