List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

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Salam Mr Grace Seeker

I do, I really do = not like to waste my time, if what I wrote is not enough reason to you why Christianity didnt truly appeal to me, then sorry I have no further answers to your Questions. I told you I could be mistaken in some, blame it to many translation of Bible or my lack of understanding, but you cannot deny that BIBLE is full of contradictions.

You are more educated than me in Islam & in Christianity & even more, but the problem is that you are making things complicated.
Life is so simple, truth must be simple, pls let's not repeat all these,,,no need to go back and present flowery words & so on.
Its either you accept that Islam is the truth or you dont,,,why you're still here in this forum after all your participation if you are not trying to imply something... it's not gonna be a place for you,you must be in christian forum and help atleast one Christian to attend the mass once a week

I hope everyone can humble themselves before death, bcoz I know, this is the top qualification of true Guidance
Masalam
 
I can't speak for anyone else, but the things that drew me to Islam are the simplicity of it, and the fact that I always felt like God was leading me this way. I feel at peace with myself since I took shahada, and that is the main thing for me: feeling at peace with who I am and where my life is going. I haven't been able to say that for a long time... perhaps not ever.

I have nothing against Christianity or Christians (doctrinal issues aside). Many of my friends and family are Christians. I just never felt like I really belonged in a Christian church. I never felt like I was home like I do when I go to the masjid. For me, that's what it's all about: feeling like I belong somewhere and like I actually matter to someone. Being a Muslim now makes me want to become a better person, for myself, for everyone around me, and for Allah. I never could say that when I went to Christian churches.
 
What I consider top sign of true guidance is humility before God (not death) and walking in sincerity and absolute trust in the love of God.
If one does not know something, the humblest thing to do is to talk about what they are certain about and not go on spreading lies about others. No lie ever please God. Lies are always first signs of wrong guidance.
 
Amigo said:
What I consider top sign of true guidance is humility before God (not death) and walking in sincerity and absolute trust in the love of God.
If one does not know something, the humblest thing to do is to talk about what they are certain about and not go on spreading lies about others. No lie ever please God. Lies are always first signs of wrong guidance.
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of course you are entitled to your opinion
you may be right but i didnt say NO. 1 sign
besides humility = condition of humbleness
of course who said we are spreading lies here? no real muslims likes lies
 
Just a Guy said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but the things that drew me to Islam are the simplicity of it, and the fact that I always felt like God was leading me this way. I feel at peace with myself since I took shahada, and that is the main thing for me: feeling at peace with who I am and where my life is going. I haven't been able to say that for a long time... perhaps not ever.

I have nothing against Christianity or Christians (doctrinal issues aside). Many of my friends and family are Christians. I just never felt like I really belonged in a Christian church. I never felt like I was home like I do when I go to the masjid. For me, that's what it's all about: feeling like I belong somewhere and like I actually matter to someone. Being a Muslim now makes me want to become a better person, for myself, for everyone around me, and for Allah. I never could say that when I went to Christian churches.
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Salam you are right brother
and we are all happy for you, u know that
it goes like this, if you are good, you are good for yourself
it you are bad, you are bad for your self

i would like to clarify that i have nothing against Christians, i am talking about the teachings/interpretation etc
definitely i dont hate a single christian or hindu, atheist etc
 
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Amigo said:
What I consider top sign of true guidance is humility before God (not death) and walking in sincerity and absolute trust in the love of God.
If one does not know something, the humblest thing to do is to talk about what they are certain about and not go on spreading lies about others. No lie ever please God. Lies are always first signs of wrong guidance.
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I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but if I don't know something, I'll be the first to tell you. This is precisely why I avoid posting much in threads like this, because I don't have the knowledge or experience yet to really join the conversation with anything contructive. I hate liars and try to avoid being one whenever possible.
 
Just a Guy said:
I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but if I don't know something, I'll be the first to tell you. This is precisely why I avoid posting much in threads like this, because I don't have the knowledge or experience yet to really join the conversation with anything contructive. I hate liars and try to avoid being one whenever possible.
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cool down bro, i think he is talking about me, you are a good guy
let all the bad guys attack me lol
i wear bulletproof lol
 
Riana17 said:
cool down bro, i think he is talking about me, you are a good guy
let all the bad guys attack me lol
i wear bulletproof lol
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Well that's still a heavy accusation though, to say that someone is lying without naming who or what evidence they have.
 
Just a Guy said:
I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but if I don't know something, I'll be the first to tell you. This is precisely why I avoid posting much in threads like this, because I don't have the knowledge or experience yet to really join the conversation with anything contructive. I hate liars and try to avoid being one whenever possible.
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Sounds good. Just to precise for me that I am not saying that I hate anyone. I only hate lies and all falsehood.
 
Okay ya Mr Amigo ( i hope i didnt sound sweet lol)

do not worry no lies no lies, anything else

i want to dedicate this forum now to mr grace seeker, ill sleep and hopefully inshallah when i wake up tomorrow i have a big breakfast from him
so long, nite yall

big salam
 
Amigo said:
Christianity is not about following the Bible, you can't follow a book. It is about following Christ.
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But Christ said to fear God. This are Jesus (p) words:
Matthew 10:28, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
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FS123 said:
But Christ said to fear God. This are Jesus (p) words:
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I am not very sure the point you are trying to communicate.
This is what I was trying to say:
We don't believe in Christ because of the Bible, we believe in the Bible because of Christ, and we believe in Christ because we receive his Holy Spirit. It is imposible for anyone to understand Christ without the Holy Spirit.

Christ comes first. Then the Bible can make sense. One can not understand the Bible without the Spirit of Christ in him, teaching him how to grasp God's Word in human words.

About the quote of Matthew. Holy fear keeps us in trusting God always because He loves us. God's love is like a fire. It burns everything that is corrupt and in falsehood. It is capable of destroying both body and soul when they are corrupt by falsehood.
As you already know by human experience, love does not go along with falsehood.
You have seen how people hate to be deceived, escpecially by their friends, spouse, parents. You have seen relationship breaking because of abuse of truth/trust in love.
All this is God's judgment on our attitude. That's the wrath of God against falsehood. Fear God then, be truthful, for if losing relationship with a friend can be painful, how painful would it be to lose relationship with God?
Fear of God means love truth with all your heart and mind and soul. Then if your heart and mind and soul are in truth, they will not be corrupt and will be preserved from destruction by the destroying fire of love.
If we delight in love. This fire is Heaven for us.
If we are alergic to love. This fire is Hell for us.
God is everywhere, and God is love.
 
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Amigo said:
Sounds good. Just to precise for me that I am not saying that I hate anyone. I only hate lies and all falsehood.
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You hate lies and all falsehood?

No you don't. You LOVE lies and all falsehood.
You love your bible, which is full of lies and all falsehood.
Example of outright lies and falsehood in the bible : PERICOPE ADULTERAE (John 7:58-8:11) in which Jesus (as) said "the first sinner cast the first stone"
Bible scholars now agree that pericope adulterae was fabrication, it didn't even exist in codex sinaiticus, alexandrinus and vaticanus, and it was only inserted into latin vulgate bible in ca. 600
So early priests and christian scribes had no qualm about attributing lies to Jesus, a person they worship as GOD!
and so christians today who believe in bible also love the lies attributing to the person the claim as God!
 
Just a Guy said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but the things that drew me to Islam are the simplicity of it, and the fact that I always felt like God was leading me this way. I feel at peace with myself since I took shahada, and that is the main thing for me: feeling at peace with who I am and where my life is going. I haven't been able to say that for a long time... perhaps not ever.

I have nothing against Christianity or Christians (doctrinal issues aside). Many of my friends and family are Christians. I just never felt like I really belonged in a Christian church. I never felt like I was home like I do when I go to the masjid. For me, that's what it's all about: feeling like I belong somewhere and like I actually matter to someone. Being a Muslim now makes me want to become a better person, for myself, for everyone around me, and for Allah. I never could say that when I went to Christian churches.
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Thanks, Just a Guy, I appreciate your willingness to share that.
 
Amigo said:
As you already know by human experience, love does not go along with falsehood.
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I agree. So does this mean love does not go along with bible because it is filled with falsehood? (eg. PERICOPE ADULTERAE).
 
Ramadhan said:


You hate lies and all falsehood?

No you don't. You LOVE lies and all falsehood.
You love your bible, which is full of lies and all falsehood.
Example of outright lies and falsehood in the bible : PERICOPE ADULTERAE (John 7:58-8:11) in which Jesus (as) said "the first sinner cast the first stone"
Bible scholars now agree that pericope adulterae was fabrication, it didn't even exist in codex sinaiticus, alexandrinus and vaticanus, and it was only inserted into latin vulgate bible in ca. 600
So early priests and christian scribes had no qualm about attributing lies to Jesus, a person they worship as GOD!
and so christians today who believe in bible also love the lies attributing to the person the claim as God!
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Yes he love lies not exactly like Mr Grace Seeker
Actually he is in the stage of denial

Oh I do understand now why people go astray

You know i used to pray earlier that all the people will have chance to encounter and further study Islam bcoz this is the one effective way to have a better understanding and be a Muslim inshallah

But now my mind actually changed, nomatter how you study something if you are really not open minded, sorry it will be closed forever.
Salam
 
Amigo said:
I am not very sure the point you are trying to communicate.
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Quote is pretty clear, and it goes against your assumptions. According to Christ himself (in Bible) fear is not a bad thing as I've seen some Christians profess. It is an interesting trend, it is just way of promotion, it is reaction to previous history of Christianity, or it is a reaction to the critiques of religion in the west; I don't really know, but it goes against the teaching of Christ himself according to the bible.

Amigo said:
We don't believe in Christ because of the Bible, we believe in the Bible because of Christ, and we believe in Christ because we receive his Holy Spirit. It is imposible for anyone to understand Christ without the Holy Spirit.
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I understand that (you already mentioned that earlier), but what is your source to know what Christ said? Scripture or does he sends you revelations personally? Normally, people have a source like documents (scripture) or oral traditions.

Amigo said:
About the quote of Matthew. Holy fear keeps us in trusting God always because He loves us. God's love is like a fire. It burns everything that is corrupt and in falsehood. It is capable of destroying both body and soul when they are corrupt by falsehood.
As you already know by human experience, love does not go along with falsehood.
You have seen how people hate to be deceived, escpecially by their friends, spouse, parents. You have seen relationship breaking because of abuse of truth/trust in love.
All this is God's judgment on our attitude. That's the wrath of God against falsehood. Fear God then, be truthful, for if losing relationship with a friend can be painful, how painful would it be to lose relationship with God?
Fear of God means love truth with all your heart and mind and soul. Then if your heart and mind and soul are in truth, they will not be corrupt and will be preserved from destruction by the destroying fire of love.
If we delight in love. This fire is Heaven for us.
If we are alergic to love. This fire is Hell for us.
God is everywhere, and God is love.
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Now again you are trying to reinterpret it something that is not in the context of the verse or just looping around the issue and saying the same thing in a different way. God has/is love, I'm not arguing against that, but He also punishes which the verse is clearly saying. So it says don't fear people, but fear God -- because people can only kill the body, but God destroy/hurt both the body and soul.
 
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