List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

[Riana17]

Quote is pretty clear, and it goes against your assumptions. According to Christ himself (in Bible) fear is not a bad thing as I've seen some Christians profess. It is an interesting trend, it is just way of promotion, it is reaction to previous history of Christianity, or it is a reaction to the critiques of religion in the west; I don't really know, but it goes against the teaching of Christ himself according to the bible.


I understand that you already mentioned that earlier, but what is your source to know what Christ said? Scripture or does he sends you revelations personally? Normally, people have a source like document or oral traditions.


Now again you are trying to reinterpret it something that is not in the context of the verse or just looping around the issue and saying the same thing in a different way. God has/is love, I'm not arguing against that, but He also punishes which the verse is clearly saying. So it says don't fear people, but fear God -- because people can only kill the body, but God destroy/hurt both the body and soul.

Brother you are so patient,,, May Allah bless you
But Mr Ramadhan already give him the answer he wants,
he wants nothing but LIES

 

[Amigo]

but what is your source to know what Christ said?

Well, let me repeat: The Holy Spirit of God.

Normally, people have a source like documents (scripture) or oral traditions.

That's for the dead. Because they died, their records are necessary to know about the words they left.
God is not dead to Christians. The people of the world killed Him, and so they search for his records here and there to know about Him. They feel a need to know what will happen to them when they die and found Him to the other side where they sent Him when they killed Him. But to the Christian, God is risen and God is with his people always.

 

[Riana17]

Well, let me repeat: The Holy Spirit of God.





That's for the dead. Because they died, their records are necessary to know about the words they left.
God is not dead to Christians. The people of the world killed Him, and so they search for his records here and there to know about Him. They feel a need to know what will happen to them when they die and found Him to the other side where they sent Him when they killed Him. But to the Christian, God is risen and God is with his people always.

KILLED = DEAD NOT ALIVE BRO

You know, you seems to be good heart and humble somehow.... and that's good side of you,,, if my guess is correct

 

[Ramadhan]

Well, let me repeat: The Holy Spirit of God.

This is a statement that you keep repeating, but one that you have never been able to explain. In the other thread I also asked you about how you communicate with your dead ancestors because you told me you get knowledge directly from your dead ancestors, and now:
How do you communicate with the holy spirit?
Does he tell you what christ said in your dreams?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Maybe it's time to close the thread.


Rather than a discussion of why people were not satisfied with their ex religion, this thread seems to be more a let's slam Christianity and mock Christian members thread. Sad that someone who is supposed to be a moderator of these forums and assure that there is no rude conduct should be among the worst of the offenders.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

But Christ said to fear God. This are Jesus (p) words:

There's no point quoting from scriptures brother as Amigo clearly rejects his scriptures as he has confirmed on many occasions. To him it matters not what his scriptures say because he knows that NONE of his false beliefs about Jesus or God are backed up by ANY of the teachings of ANY Prophet God or Jesus.

He keeps referring to "love love love" when in actual fact he has rejected worshipping God and instead has resorted to worshipping the creation of God.

Surely he is showing his love to none other than Satan who's ULTIMATE aim is to make mankind worship OTHER than God. So instead of showing love to his lord he has rejected him and instead has turned to Satan.

So Amigo reject your enemy Satan and turn unto your creator and worship him for HE created you to worship him and NOT his creation!

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

Surely he is showing his love to none other than Satan who's ULTIMATE aim is to make mankind worship OTHER than God.

That's a little harsh. Christians do not love Satan. Amigo's argument may be flawed (and this I agree with) but surely there is no reason to insult him.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I was looking forward to this thread because I thought it was going to be different than all the other threads that simply boil down to people yelling back and forth at one another: "I'm Right! You're Wrong!"

I thought it was going to be a sharing of the inner drama and angst that people might have felt as they found themselves unsatisfied in one place and how the movement to another brought them something (peace, security, answers to previously unresolved questions) they did not have before. But there is very little of that here. Perhaps I had too high expectations of what this thread could be. There is no sharing. And if people don't want to, or perhaps don't know how, then I guess that is the way it is going to be. But I think we have lost something. Rather than describe the process by which we were first challenged and then changed, this is just one more proselytizing thread.

 

[Riana17]

I was looking forward to this thread because I thought it was going to be different than all the other threads that simply boil down to people yelling back and forth at one another: "I'm Right! You're Wrong!"

I thought it was going to be a sharing of the inner drama and angst that people might have felt as they found themselves unsatisfied in one place and how the movement to another brought them something (peace, security, answers to previously unresolved questions) they did not have before. But there is very little of that here. Perhaps I had too high expectations of what this thread could be. There is no sharing. And if people don't want to, or perhaps don't know how, then I guess that is the way it is going to be. But I think we have lost something. Rather than describe the process by which we were first challenged and then changed, this is just one more proselytizing thread.

Such a good words to escape
you kept asking why i like islam and why Christianity didnt satisfy me and when answer is presented to you and you are speechless about it, you changed the direction

how about u share us what is the beauty of christianity?
how about you share us, if you are truly satisfied with what you blv

 

[Riana17]

Maybe it's time to close the thread.


Rather than a discussion of why people were not satisfied with their ex religion, this thread seems to be more a let's slam Christianity and mock Christian members thread. Sad that someone who is supposed to be a moderator of these forums and assure that there is no rude conduct should be among the worst of the offenders.

slam Christianity and mock Christian members thread. Sad that someone who is supposed to be a moderator of these forums and assure that there is no rude conduct should be among the worst of the offenders.[/QUOTE]

 

[Ramadhan]

I was looking forward to this thread because I thought it was going to be different than all the other threads that simply boil down to people yelling back and forth at one another: "I'm Right! You're Wrong!" I thought it was going to be a sharing of the inner drama and angst that people might have felt as they found themselves unsatisfied in one place and how the movement to another brought them something (peace, security, answers to previously unresolved questions) they did not have before. But there is very little of that here. Perhaps I had too high expectations of what this thread could be. There is no sharing. And if people don't want to, or perhaps don't know how, then I guess that is the way it is going to be. But I think we have lost something. Rather than describe the process by which we were first challenged and then changed, this is just one more proselytizing thread.

Dear pastor GS, I think you are looking at the wrong thread. This thread is titled "List why I'm not satisfied with my ex religion", so that means post a LIST of things/aspect they were not satisfied with their ex religion, and NOT the process of inner drama and angst etc. For that, many of the newly reverts and some members here have posted their stories of HOW they were not satisfied with their ex religion and the process of leaving ex religion to come back to Islam. There you will find great processes, a lot of inner and outer dramas, angst, etc and finally acceptance and submissions to Allah SWT.
Here's some of the thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134305411-how-i-became-muslim.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307237-my-story.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307032-allah-best-matchmaker.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307227-i-just-took-my-shahada.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307229-well.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/4914-stories-muslim-reverts-post-yours-here-37.html
etc..

Now, go and read those stories, don't be shy. And you may also ask questions there, who knows it will lead you to the truth.
The common thread from most ex christians that I found was: in christianity, the more you ask questions, instead of answers, the more questions you get, while in Islam everything falls into place beautifully and everything is answered.

 

[Riana17]

Dear pastor GS, I think you are looking at the wrong thread. This thread is titled "List why I'm not satisfied with my ex religion", so that means post a LIST of things/aspect they were not satisfied with their ex religion, and NOT the process of inner drama and angst etc. For that, many of the newly reverts and some members here have posted their stories of HOW they were not satisfied with their ex religion and the process of leaving ex religion to come back to Islam. There you will find great processes, a lot of inner and outer dramas, angst, etc and finally acceptance and submissions to Allah SWT.
Here's some of the thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134305411-how-i-became-muslim.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307237-my-story.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307032-allah-best-matchmaker.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307227-i-just-took-my-shahada.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/134307229-well.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/new-muslims/4914-stories-muslim-reverts-post-yours-here-37.html
etc..

Now, go and read those stories, don't be shy. And you may also ask questions there, who knows it will lead you to the truth.
The common thread from most ex christians that I found was: in christianity, the more you ask questions, instead of answers, the more questions you get, while in Islam everything falls into place beautifully and everything is answered.

May Allah be pleased with you for your undying love and patience for Pastor GS
Oh Pastor you are one Lucky man

Hope you can see that

My One TRue God loves you truly for He sends many angels in the land for you (not me, i dont look like one Pastor)

Salam

 

[Ramadhan]

Rather than a discussion of why people were not satisfied with their ex religion, this thread seems to be more a let's slam Christianity and mock Christian members thread. Sad that someone who is supposed to be a moderator of these forums and assure that there is no rude conduct should be among the worst of the offenders.

Let's slam and mock christian members?
I would expect more honesty coming from a pastor. Instead of mocking christians, it was your fellow christian who FIRST accused muslim members of telling lies and falsehoods. Here's the post from Amigo who accused in a sneaky way muslim members of telling lies and falsehoods. Up until and after that point, discussion was generally civilized:

What I consider top sign of true guidance is humility before God (not death) and walking in sincerity and absolute trust in the love of God. If one does not know something, the humblest thing to do is to talk about what they are certain about and not go on spreading lies about others. No lie ever please God. Lies are always first signs of wrong guidance.

Oh, and next time, you can say my name, you know. I don't mind it actually, I'm sure you can say "ramadhan", it's our holy month, where Jesus (pbuh) also fasted for a month, maybe you will be interested to follow the example of a person you worship of God, and start fasting for a whole month with us muslims?

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

The common thread from most ex christians that I found was: in christianity, the more you ask questions, instead of answers, the more questions you get, while in Islam everything falls into place beautifully and everything is answered.

This is very true. In fact, that is one of the many things I love most about Islam

 

[Grace Seeker]

Such a good words to escape
you kept asking why i like islam and why Christianity didnt satisfy me and when answer is presented to you and you are speechless about it, you changed the direction

how about u share us what is the beauty of christianity?
how about you share us, if you are truly satisfied with what you blv

Riana, these aren't words to escape anything. You've addressed the theme of this thread to the best of your ability. I accept that.

As I understand you, you had questions with regard to Christianity, things that didn't make sense to you in it. And though I would suggest that some of the things you rejected where never actually truly part of Christianity, that was Christianity as you knew it. I don't blame anyone for leaving that which is false behind. It matters not that what you rejected wasn't all genuine Christian teaching but a mixture of some truth, some half-truth, and some ideas that were so entirely misconstrued as to no longer represent Christian truth at all; if you saw it as false, then I understand why you felt the need to look elsewhere. I would have hoped that you would have investigated and found correction to some of your misunderstanding regarding the Christian faith and its teachings. Maybe you even did and it still sounded this other way to you, I don't know. But anyway, your sense of logic led you to Islam. And that is where you are today. You claim you have peace in it. And for that I am glad.

Personally, believing what I believe about the death and resurrection and resurrection of Jesus to be true, I could never find peace within a religion that denies that truth.

As for sharing why I am satified with my Christian faith, I would be most happy to if that is to be permitted. (I thought the forum rules prohibited that type of sharing.) Do you want me to do that in this thread?

 

[Riana17]

Riana, these aren't words to escape anything. You've addressed the theme of this thread to the best of your ability. I accept that.

As I understand you, you had questions with regard to Christianity, things that didn't make sense to you in it. And though I would suggest that some of the things you rejected where never actually truly part of Christianity, that was Christianity as you knew it. I don't blame anyone for leaving that which is false behind. It matters not that what you rejected wasn't all genuine Christian teaching but a mixture of some truth, some half-truth, and some ideas that were so entirely misconstrued as to no longer represent Christian truth at all; if you saw it as false, then I understand why you felt the need to look elsewhere. I would have hoped that you would have investigated and found correction to some of your misunderstanding regarding the Christian faith and its teachings. Maybe you even did and it still sounded this other way to you, I don't know. But anyway, your sense of logic led you to Islam. And that is where you are today. You claim you have peace in it. And for that I am glad.

Personally, believing what I believe about the death and resurrection and resurrection of Jesus to be true, I could never find peace within a religion that denies that truth.

As for sharing why I am satified with my Christian faith, I would be most happy to if that is to be permitted. (I thought the forum rules prohibited that type of sharing.) Do you want me to do that in this thread?

salam PAstor
If they delete I will leave this forum, just for you
Islam is not bias

 

[Ramadhan]

Personally, believing what I believe about the death and resurrection and resurrection of Jesus to be true, I could never find peace within a religion that denies that truth.

Was there any live witness to the death and resurrection of Jesus (pbuh) that you consider it as absolute truth? You can use the source from your own bible, I would even accept that.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

That's a little harsh. Christians do not love Satan. Amigo's argument may be flawed (and this I agree with) but surely there is no reason to insult him.

sister I think you misinterpreted my statement and did not understand it in the in the context of our ongoing discussion with Amigo which started from other threads.

He has consistently been unable to give proof of his assertions regarding his beliefs and has also constantly ignored requests to provide any proof or evidence from the words of God or Jesus and instead covers himself by constantly talking about love of God, Jesus etc. Surely this is a deception as he is trying to cover the fact he is unable to provide any proof of his assertions regarding his beliefs.

Also I did not mean by my statement that he intentionally shows love to Satan but what I meant was that in trying to show the love of God, by worshipping Jesus he actually goes against the most fundamental teachings of God and Jesus which is to worship none other than God himself and not to ascribe partners unto him and also that the sole aim of Satan is to deviate mankind into worshipping those other than God.

So in worshipping Jesus he and others who do the same are not showing the love of God but that of Satan who has succeeded in deviating him and others like him in worshipping those other than God.

May Allah guide them to the truth. Ameen

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

a mixture of some truth, some half-truth, and some ideas that were so entirely misconstrued as to no longer represent Christian truth at all;

This sums up the NT (New Testament) very well.

 

[Perseveranze]

I honestly thought we were above the level of argueing with Christianity...