Love or Desire (A good article to read Insh'Allah)

Re: Love or Desire

:salamext:
jus gotta say..i'm wid ya on wat u said..but wat bout those peepz who were forced into marriage...didnt want children..etc etc...and then again there'z the opposite where people wait MANY years to have children...and wen they finally do...they go and OVERSPOIL them..watz the world coming to? :?..
But then again..the MAIN problem at the end of the day...is lack of education..as u and Nadia have pointed out...also...its so annoying wen people are not WILLING to learn..:rant: ..i can go on bout the ignorance of sum peepz...but shan't do so..honestly its jus so..:grumbling
and again there'z sum peepz..who jus dont bother teachin their kids the basicz..and wen the kid turns 16 or 18..."hey kid..its ur life now....not my prob"
:w:

With all these comments aside, have you done my first suggestion? Visit the local DHS or Welfare offices and look at abuse children?

Do that first and then come back and tell us your experience.
 
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I really dont get the whole love thing, I get the desire, but I dont get this concept of 'love' I mean I love my brothers and I love my sisters, but I dont know about love of my wife, i think that would just be the same as my love for my brothers and sisters, I dont get the difference. I really am confused.


You're not confused. You're being human.

Islam came to guide you, to channel this innate quality so that even while in love you worship Allah.

Heed my advice, if you're old enough, volunteer to mentor a child now. Those are the finesse that are hard to find.

Everyone can have sex, but not everyone can be compassionate enough to take care of their "doings". Go and do the right thing. Don't leave it to your wife's so called "natural instinct" to take care of your kids. They don't have natural instinct. If they do, then Dave Pezler's mom wouldn't have abused him and then on her death bed, when asked, why did she just not kill him, after all that abuse? She nonchalantly said:

"I didn't know where to hide the body".

[for those who crave daleel and proof, please do yourself a favor and read, A Child Called "It", truly, leave your Quran and Sahih Bukhari for a while]

All of us must go out and see the effects of sexual relations. These things happen to all families, muslims or non muslims alike. Muslim families are the worse, in my observation. Owing to the culturally embedded patriachal dominance, some fathers slap, kick, bruise wives and kids. Wives who have been brought up to "obey their husbands" would keep quiet and be patient, hoping for ajr from Allah. Allah wants easiness for you, and he doesn't want for you hardships. [2:185]

No wonder Women's Lib orgnization are hard on Islam, due to these unscrupulous males who reproduce but have no idea how to deal with their product of reproduction. And we have all the male scholars who would not admit that muslim males need to be educated about their responsibilities. Go figure.

Propagate ahadeeth about how the prophet [he's a male] dealt with children as much as you propagate hadeeth about how you make solah or whether your must have a beard or not and we will see the difference. Also cut down on the how long your pants should be. Get your Bukhari Muslim hadeeth software and rather than searching for what qualities a wife should have, look for how the prophet treated children and their wives.

Muslim women must also concentrate on Quranic verses and ahadeeth that tell them more about THEIR rights rather than the ones telling them they will outnumber men in the hellfire. They should know that a woman stood up in front of the caliph to correct him regarding mahr. They should also know about the ones who taught the companions after the demise of the prophet was a woman. Maybe then they won't have time to wait and sit down and be content at the lower end of the food chain or waste time having emotional diarrhea in forums. :p [some of them]

Do you see how wonderful Islam is? It releases you from all subordinations except to the One who holds your soul! It widens your scope on how life should be. It frees you from racial arrogance and gender conceitment other than what Allah has prescribed.

There's no jannah for men and women. There's only jannah.
 
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lol cuz like aamirsaab said u'll find out when u get married inshA.
to find a true loving partner at times like this is very hard, so be wise with whome you choose inshA
:happy:


Lol in total honesty that does nothing but worry me more about getting married.

I guess I might find out, man I dont know how Isa peace be upon him didnt get married, and I dont know how Muhammed peace be upon him could wait till 25, man I wish I had such patience.
 
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Imam an Nawawi didn't get married. He died single. I guess he was too busy with his ahadeeth collecting work. That's a tip: Keep yourself busy. :)
 
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isnt that wrong? i mean dying without being married?
 
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No. It's perfectly HALAAL. Of course many people will disagree with me, but getting married is a WORLDLY affair, so the original ruling is MUBAH [do or don't do, don't matter].

Well, yes, it's a sunnah of the prophet. Before we caress ourselves with that hadeeth, may I suggest we read about his other sunnah, like how he treated his adopted Zaid and children? :)
 
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I do agree with ya previous post about women, i mean alot seem to just be confused about what their rights are, and just think being abused is alright, that really annoys me, but I dont see how me reading about the way the prophet treated kids will help me understand 'love' with regards to a wife
 
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it won't.

it will make you realize your love towards your wife has some other bifurcations. :)
 
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:salamext:

trust me, work hard and die fi sabilillah (in the way of Allaah Almighty).. then get 72 houriz insha Allaah :p

... the easy way :)


:wasalamex
 
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I do agree with ya previous post about women, i mean alot seem to just be confused about what their rights are, and just think being abused is alright, that really annoys me, but I dont see how me reading about the way the prophet treated kids will help me understand 'love' with regards to a wife

Excuse me bro, many men, are confused about women's rights too.

They think they can control women like they control their remote control cars.

Newsflash: They can't. Allah came to free men and women from slavery towards other beings.

The prophet showed that. He's our prime example.

I've seen men who really took care of their wives and kids. I admire them so much and they don't have beards, they don't roll up their pants and they don't memorize Al Quran and they're are non muslims. :)

If these men become muslim, they'll be perfect, well, unless some other muslim men come and contaminate them with this ridiculous idea about how men are "supposed to be"..... :p
 
Re: Love or Desire

:salamext:

trust me, work hard and die fi sabilillah (in the way of Allaah Almighty).. then get 72 houriz insha Allaah :p

... the easy way :)


:wasalamex


LOL! for a minute there, i thought this post belonged to....err...

well, can't say it. To the Brother's Forum!! [Batman theme]
 
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Excuse me bro, many men, are confused about women's rights too.

They think they can control women like they control their remote control cars.

Newsflash: They can't. Allah came to free men and women from slavery towards other beings.

The prophet showed that. He's our prime example.

I've seen men who really took care of their wives and kids. I admire them so much and they don't have beards, they don't roll up their pants and they don't memorize Al Quran and they're are non muslims. :)

If these men become muslim, they'll be perfect, well, unless some other muslim men come and contaminate them with this ridiculous idea about how men are "supposed to be"..... :p

For real, I mean I dont know alot about women's rights in Islam but it would make sense that they learn primarily since those are their rights and men learn theres and then they can learn each others, but i mean priority wise i would learn my own rights and so forth, all I was saying was that some sisters feel they have to do stuff which they dont, it happens world wide, in and out of islam, it just suprises me that if those men that treat them bad are muslims then those sisters instantly have a moral code they can use taht the men have to abide by.

and what does "bifurcations" mean???

peace
 
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and what does "bifurcations" mean???

peace

it means, branches. that means, your love towards your wife, have other effects too. that love leads to sexual relations------> KIDS

:) My bad. I'm just feeling lexical today. :p
 
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well Alhamdulilah your feeling flexible, or flexy or flexicon or which other one it was, thanks for clerifying
 
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These 'love or desire' debates always amuse me. Surely you need to 'desire' your spouse in some capacity in order to 'love' them? Would one really marry someone that they don't 'desire' at all? Someone that they find completely un-attractive and repulsive, even though others might think otherwise?
 
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You're not confused. You're being human.

Islam came to guide you, to channel this innate quality so that even while in love you worship Allah.

Heed my advice, if you're old enough, volunteer to mentor a child now. Those are the finesse that are hard to find.

Everyone can have sex, but not everyone can be compassionate enough to take care of their "doings". Go and do the right thing. Don't leave it to your wife's so called "natural instinct" to take care of your kids. They don't have natural instinct. If they do, then Dave Pezler's mom wouldn't have abused him and then on her death bed, when asked, why did she just not kill him, after all that abuse? She nonchalantly said:

"I didn't know where to hide the body".

[for those who crave daleel and proof, please do yourself a favor and read, A Child Called "It", truly, leave your Quran and Sahih Bukhari for a while]

All of us must go out and see the effects of sexual relations. These things happen to all families, muslims or non muslims alike. Muslim families are the worse, in my observation. Owing to the culturally embedded patriachal dominance, some fathers slap, kick, bruise wives and kids. Wives who have been brought up to "obey their husbands" would keep quiet and be patient, hoping for ajr from Allah. Allah wants easiness for you, and he doesn't want for you hardships. [2:185]

No wonder Women's Lib orgnization are hard on Islam, due to these unscrupulous males who reproduce but have no idea how to deal with their product of reproduction. And we have all the male scholars who would not admit that muslim males need to be educated about their responsibilities. Go figure.

Propagate ahadeeth about how the prophet [he's a male] dealt with children as much as you propagate hadeeth about how you make solah or whether your must have a beard or not and we will see the difference. Also cut down on the how long your pants should be. Get your Bukhari Muslim hadeeth software and rather than searching for what qualities a wife should have, look for how the prophet treated children and their wives.

Muslim women must also concentrate on Quranic verses and ahadeeth that tell them more about THEIR rights rather than the ones telling them they will outnumber men in the hellfire. They should know that a woman stood up in front of the caliph to correct him regarding mahr. They should also know about the ones who taught the companions after the demise of the prophet was a woman. Maybe then they won't have time to wait and sit down and be content at the lower end of the food chain or waste time having emotional diarrhea in forums. :p [some of them]

Do you see how wonderful Islam is? It releases you from all subordinations except to the One who holds your soul! It widens your scope on how life should be. It frees you from racial arrogance and gender conceitment other than what Allah has prescribed.

There's no jannah for men and women. There's only jannah.

Subhan Allah, very well said brother. Jazaak Allah khair. Couldn't have said it better myself... and it's great to hear this coming from a Muslim male. May Allah reward you.
 
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:sl:

we might be moving away from the topic here but can we carry on with what we are talking about?

i know a br who has similiar views about muslims as br Takumi does. and i agree with him, coz the way we MUSLIMS go about things somtimes or most of times it contradiicts the teaching of Al-Islam.

i live in uk where the non-muslims most of them are very understanding ppl (if sum1 speaks to them about Al-Islam). i look at these ppl they r not muslims but the way they deal with us of amongest themselves is much better than we as muslims should do.

We are very layed back ppl and yet we say we want this or that. We will never achieve anything if we dont change ourself.

My little advice is that we (men & women) should all try our best to learn much of deen as we can and also implement it in our lives.

Why is that we all say ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE? but we dnt take anything from it, this is very :unhappy:

:w:
 
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Let me help you.

Love your husband or wife. This love also comes with desire.

Love + Desire = Marital relations = Have kids.

so before love and desire, look at the end of the equation [Have kids].

THAT's the scariest part. :)
 
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Let me help you.
Love your husband or wife. This love also comes with desire.
Love + Desire = Marital relations = Have kids.
so before love and desire, look at the end of the equation [Have kids].
THAT's the scariest part. :)

:sl:

When you're rich, it's not.
 
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man i cant wait till i have kids, imagine just going masjeed with them and teachin them quran, and being imam to your whole family at night prayer, waking their little bodies up, helping them do wudu and then seeing then postrate and teachin them the way of our prophet peace be upon him, watchin them grow, hearing them recite quran, man I so so so cant wait, omg, you have to love kids.
 

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