'Lyrical terrorist' convicted for jihad poems

[Suomipoika]

to be honest its just an expression... an outlet if you will

when we see the violence in palestine kashmir chechnya afghanistan africa etc etc etc etc

we feel things inside... thats all it is...

Well, "we westeners" feel inside too, but when we go venting out racism or violence it is and rightfully so, condemned.

Why not so for her?

She watches mass killing of "kaffirs", idolises people like Bin Laden, then writes violent poems. She could be the poster girl why "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

And instead of condemning what she says...

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Well, "we westeners" feel inside too, but when we go venting out racism or violence it is and rightfully so, condemned.

Why not so for her?

She watches mass killing of "kaffirs", idolises people like Bin Laden, then writes violent poems. She could be the poster girl why "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

And instead of condemning what she says...

she didnt vent in public


if she did then that was certainly a mistake...

to be honest islaam teaches patience...so she definitly was mistaken in many actions.

may Allah guide us

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

She could be the poster girlwhy "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

the west think islam is a violent religion becuase they are hungry for oil.

And instead of condemning what she says...

i've heard worse things, and people have kept silent.
peace...

 

[Muezzin]

Well, "we westeners" feel inside too, but when we go venting out racism or violence it is and rightfully so, condemned.

I'm not sure writing poems, however hateful they might be, is an arrestable or imprisonable offence in the UK. Maybe they're covered by the hate crime laws. I'll need to check.

Edit: Ah, you're looking for condemnation. Well, if she wrote hateful poems, I condemn those hateful poems, and I condemn the sort of mindset which leads to writing them.

Why not so for her?

She watches mass killing of "kaffirs", idolises people like Bin Laden, then writes violent poems. She could be the poster girl why "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

The point is the conviction was not (or should not have been, at least) based on these poems - it was based more on the bomb-making manuals in her possession (or if not, it should have been).

Am I the only one who thinks the whole poetry/weird views about Bin Laden angle is a red herring?

 

[Cognescenti]

"Let us make Jihad/ Move to the front line/ To chop chop head of kuffar swine".


She ought to be in prison, if for no other reason than making us suffer through such an afront to the English language.

I don't really know what to do with people that hold such views but have not taken concrete steps (which can be documented) to act on them.

Imagine this scenario. These items are discoverd by the authorities. She is released for lack of evidence. Two weeks later she sprays her own body parts and those of others all over a bus. Someone would have some serious 'splainin' to do. It's the "connect the dots" problem.

 

[Muezzin]

"Let us make Jihad/ Move to the front line/ To chop chop head of kuffar swine".


She ought to be in prison, if for no other reason than making us suffer through such an afront to the English language.

I don't really know what to do with people that hold such views but have not taken concrete steps (which can be documented) to act on them.

Imagine this scenario. These items are discoverd by the authorities. She is released for lack of evidence. Two weeks later she sprays her own body parts and those of others all over a bus. Someone would have some serious 'splainin' to do. It's the "connect the dots" problem.

There is no 'connect the dots' problem. She had a 'make your own bomb' book. In light of that, the poetry and everything else is irrelevant except for the prosecution to illustrate her character.

Which is why I'm a bit puzzled that everybody seems to be focusing so much on the poems.

 

[Al-Zaara]

I didn't like those poems, and you know describing how to chop off heads and how to make the blood run is violent, whoever may write it. And idolizing Bin Laden, is not good either. You can write about Jihad in much better ways, in it's true forms. Violence isn't what Jihad is about.

But mostly those bombs - These days it's not really so innocent if someone wants to create bombs, anyone knows it, especially if she lives in the UK. I wonder what happens to her...

 

[Mysterious Uk]

Thanks for this post, i was wondering what had happened to her.

 

[Jayda]

a) why do i get this feeling that this is a fabrication so that the attention will be turned on muslim women "woah man, becareful, dont wear your hijaab." "uncover, we know you're hiding somethin." if thats not alrready happening.

b) (even if it were true), freedom of speech!!! yeah right! :rollseyes. that statement can be a little over rated..

lol..i like that line. am i gonna get locked up too? but i probably should stop asking for it though. lol

EDIT: i also think that this is just a scare tactic. make us paranois and insecure about practising our religon, as well as others about us.

the sister seems pious mashaAllah, shes trying to practise her deen, the stupid west should just lay off her

i doubt its a fabrication, more like an attempt to bring attention to muslims again, sad world got nothing better to do


assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

hola...

you two cannot possibly mean these things you are saying about liking her lyrics or believing this is peity... i do not know if any of this is a crime but it is terrifying to me that there are people like this girl who hates us that much and thinks about these horrible things. the word kaffir instantly frightens me for that reason

que Dios te bendiga

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

What are we ashamed of, people?

Peace

 

[Muezzin]

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

The offending poems are shameful; the bomb-making stuff is horrifying.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

I removed it on that member's request.

 

[Jayda]

lol i have the mario theme in my head... it is such a jovial little tune!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

The offending poems are shameful; the bomb-making stuff is horrifying.

Well, yes. That would make defending her on a forum like this a pretty stupid thing to do, then, wouldn't it?

I removed it on that member's request.

Fair enough. I wonder who it was?

Peace

 

[Ali.]

They're too paranoid. The other day on the news: "We think there are over 3000 Muslim terrorists in the UK working secretely..."
And they know that how...? They're just getting way too paranoid all of a sudden.

 

[wilberhum]

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you arn't being watched. :skeleton:

How many "Muslim terrorists in the UK working secretely" do you think there is?

 

[Ali.]

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you arn't being watched. :skeleton:

How many "Muslim terrorists in the UK working secretely" do you think there is?

You misunderstood me. I'm Muslim, I said I heard on the Radio that they were discussing the number of Muslim terrorists in the UK.

 

[sarah85]

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

What are we ashamed of, people?

Peace

You say you are horrified at her behaviour. What is her behaviour? writing lyrics? Right across the UK hundreds of thousands of poems are written or have been written about the IRA- no one was arrested for them. Shouldnt u b horrified at that? Thousands of poems and articles and books glorying wars that kill and are killing hundreds of blacks and Asians are written- again no one bats an eyelid- shouldnt u b horrified at that?
The Zionists in press article after press article demand war on Iran that will kill a million more people then any terrorist attack- not a single arrest. isn't that something to b horrified about?

She had some questionable material but her poems and writing hardly pose a threat to the nation. The government is trying to create a climate of fear and the neo cons like Policy Exchange are joining in hence the Satanic Verses and the blasphemous cartoons are ok because they represent free speech but Muslim literature is not ok. Complete hypocrisy.

 

[Keltoi]

Something tells me that the problem went beyond simply her "lyrics". I think Muezzin mentioned that as well.

Here is a similar scenario. After the Columbine school shooting, people were obviously on edge about troubled teens who might open fire in the cafeteria. This led to many arrests of students that had "death lists" of fellow classmates or displayed suspicious behavior.

Sometimes it is much better to be safe than sorry.

 

[sarah85]

Something tells me that the problem went beyond simply her "lyrics". I think Muezzin mentioned that as well.

Here is a similar scenario. After the Columbine school shooting, people were obviously on edge about troubled teens who might open fire in the cafeteria. This led to many arrests of students that had "death lists" of fellow classmates or displayed suspicious behavior.

Sometimes it is much better to be safe than sorry.

One cannot play safe to the extent of crushing civil liberties. It is not fair that innocent peoples lives are wrecked because of the actions of a few minorities. We cannot justify what those innocents go through by claiming to be 'safe than sorry'.

One should look at the root of the problem. The government would have served better to endorse their efforts into rooting out the troubles of these teenagers to prevent the problem from being exacerbated. In the same way the problem of terrorism does not lie in Islam or any other religion. The problem of terrorism lies in foreign policy and this should be resolved rather then delving into paranoia and arresting people on mere suspicion.

 

[Fishman]

So, this is illegal hate speech whilst the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons and the BNP are freedom of expression? Sounds like double standards. I am not saying that what the girl said was right, but that if they want to hold their position they should logically outlaw the far-right and also condemn the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons.