'Lyrical terrorist' convicted for jihad poems

[Fishman]

On the other hand, it is also sad that people are defending this girl whilst at the same time critizing people who want to kick out Muslims and immigrants. Double standards work both ways people.

 

[wilberhum]

So, this is illegal hate speech whilst the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons and the BNP are freedom of expression? Sounds like double standards. I am not saying that what the girl said was right, but that if they want to hold their position they should logically outlaw the far-right and also condemn the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons.

Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.

If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.

Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.

 

[Fishman]

Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.

If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.

Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.

Michael Savage said that people should kill 100 million Muslims, but I don't see him in jail. Far right leaders always talk about peresecuting Muslims in their manifestoes, but they aren't behind bars. And I remember a while back some people on YouTube made a speech about murdering Muslims, but I bet they are not in prison under terror laws...

 

[Jayda]

Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.

If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.

Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.

hola wilberhum,

i think maybe you are not taking into consideration the cultural differences... while in our culture insults against a persons' religious deities or parents can be shrugged off as an attempt to provoke us, while a death threat is a crime and something to be taken seriously, for their culture they would much sooner have their persons' threatened than for somebody to commit (in their traditions) the crime of blasphemy.

this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...

que Dios te bendiga

 

[wilberhum]

Michael Savage said that people should kill 100 million Muslims, but I don't see him in jail. Far right leaders always talk about peresecuting Muslims in their manifestoes, but they aren't behind bars. And I remember a while back some people on YouTube made a speech about murdering Muslims, but I bet they are not in prison under terror laws...

Are you implying that Western justice is not perfect? :raging::raging:

Of coures it is. Ya, Right! :skeleton: (Just playing with you)

There never has and there never will be perfect justice under any system.

Does that mean we should stop all inforcement?

I think not.

 

[Fishman]

this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...

que Dios te bendiga

I agree that there should be some limits on free speech when it comes to racism, verbal assault etc. I don't think it should be got rid of completely, otherwise leaders would just misuse their newfound power to stop anybody critising them.
I don't think laws of politeness would really work, people should try to proliferate and spread politeness instead. What is the point of being nice if you do not intend to but are forced to by the law?

 

[Fishman]

Does that mean we should stop all inforcement?

I think not.

No, but it does mean people should try to do something about it. If the girl goes to prison, so do racists. If racists are merely exercising free speech, so is the girl...

 

[wilberhum]

hola wilberhum,

i think maybe you are not taking into consideration the cultural differences... while in our culture insults against a persons' religious deities or parents can be shrugged off as an attempt to provoke us, while a death threat is a crime and something to be taken seriously, for their culture they would much sooner have their persons' threatened than for somebody to commit (in their traditions) the crime of blasphemy.

this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...

que Dios te bendiga

If you don't think there should be freedom of speech, why are voicing an opinion? :-\

Or are you one of those that think we should only have the freedom to speak in support of what you think? :skeleton:

As far as taking in "cultural differences", I agree.
If some can't cope with the cultural differences, they should leave. :enough!:

 

[wilberhum]

No, but it does mean people should try to do something about it. If the girl goes to prison, so do racists. If racists are merely exercising free speech, so is the girl...

Got to go with you on that one. :thumbs_up

I think anyone that wants to harm someone based on race, should go to prison.

 

[Fishman]

Got to go with you on that one. :thumbs_up

I think anyone that wants to harm someone based on race, should go to prison.

Then we are agreed! This is possibly one of the few times when debating has come to a conclusion. I shall have to 'celebrate':
:beard::bravo::muslimah::Mosque:fftopic:

 

[wilberhum]

Then we are agreed! This is possibly one of the few times when debating has come to a conclusion. I shall have to 'celebrate':
:beard::bravo::muslimah::Mosque:fftopic:

We always agreed.

We just hadn't agreed on what we agreed on.

 

[Jayda]

If you don't think there should be freedom of speech, why are voicing an opinion? :-\

Or are you one of those that think we should only have the freedom to speak in support of what you think? :skeleton:

As far as taking in "cultural differences", I agree.
If some can't cope with the cultural differences, they should leave. :enough!:

lol well... because i have an opinion and thought i would share it...

i do not think people should be allowed to say blasphemous things, especially against Christianity, or say racist or hateful things. if you forbid these things it's not really 'freedom of speech' anymore. i think people should have a degree of freedom in speech... but not the right to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

 

[wilberhum]

lol well... because i have an opinion and thought i would share it...

i do not think people should be allowed to say blasphemous things, especially against Christianity, or say racist or hateful things. if you forbid these things it's not really 'freedom of speech' anymore. i think people should have a degree of freedom in speech... but not the right to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

Well I'm glad you shared your openion. That is one of the great things that come with freedom of speach.

But if 5 guys get together, claim Bush is there Prophet, you think it should become illegal to say negative anything about Bush? :skeleton:

Not what I think is a good idea.

especially against Christianity Why? Because they held the Inquision?

 

[Jayda]

I agree that there should be some limits on free speech when it comes to racism, verbal assault etc. I don't think it should be got rid of completely, otherwise leaders would just misuse their newfound power to stop anybody critising them.
I don't think laws of politeness would really work, people should try to proliferate and spread politeness instead. What is the point of being nice if you do not intend to but are forced to by the law?

hola

i think there are lots of things other than racism and verbal assault... blasphemy, slander, promoting violence like this 'poet' has done and things like this should all be banned. but then it would not be freedom of speech... which is okay for me.

lol i didn't mean that there should be politeness laws, just that i hate politics, i think more in terms of what politeness and etiquette dictate rather than what politics require. i don't like the pessimism and underhandedness of politics... i'm not advocating anything, just talking about what interests me

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

Well I'm glad you shared your openion. That is one of the great things that come with freedom of speach.

But if 5 guys get together, claim Bush is there Prophet, you think it should become illegal to say negative anything about Bush? :skeleton:

Not what I think is a good idea.

slippery slopes work both ways... if the chairman of the fed decided to do a little ad libing just for fun during his next press conference and prophesy a 'hopeless future' and recommend everybody prepare for financial ruin do you think nothing should be done to prevent him from saying this?

i do not think that is a good idea...

 

[wilberhum]

slippery slopes work both ways... if the chairman of the fed decided to do a little ad libing just for fun during his next press conference and prophesy a 'hopeless future' and recommend everybody prepare for financial ruin do you think nothing should be done to prevent him from saying this?

i do not think that is a good idea...

The future is hopeless. So I think the honesty would be good.

 

[Jayda]

The future is hopeless. So I think the honesty would be good.

i just think it is better to always do the right thing regardless of the consequences

 

[wilberhum]

i just think it is better to always do the right thing regardless of the consequences

So how do you define the “Right Thing”? :-\

Six men in a five man life boat. What is the “Right Thing”? :skeleton:

No matter what you pick, it is your personal opinion of what is the "Right Thing” and there will be many that will disagree with you. :raging:

That's a major problem. You can't define things in undefined terms. :hiding::hiding:

 

[Jayda]

So how do you define the “Right Thing”? :-\

Six men in a five man life boat. What is the “Right Thing”? :skeleton:

No matter what you pick, it is your personal opinion of what is the "Right Thing” and there will be many that will disagree with you. :raging:

That's a major problem. You can't define things in undefined terms. :hiding::hiding:

you are agnostic... so perhaps for you the world is a big ocean and you do not hold a compass, i do not know...

but i believe in catholicism so the right thing is quite defined for me... disagreement from other people is natural but doesn't really make a difference for me

 

[Amadeus85]

Double-standards, anyone?

So now think , what if -

An european guy calling himself a Crusader, would make a poems calling to violence against muslims, poems about beheadings muslims and starting a crusade against muslims.

Would it be ok for you? ^o)