Marriages not being approved

[Al Mu'minaat]

You saying that I am misguiding people? Why don't you also ask Allah to help those children who have been placed in difficult situations too???


ermm i think your confused love, who said i was talking about you? - think twice and use your brain.. i thought you had one.. *wink*
not everything in the post is about you my dear.. get used to it.. i didnt mention your name..

and may i say.. you really dooo need to sort out your attitude out.. wallahi by allah.. i have never ever in my whole entire life seen a foul mouth person+o(. you are soo rude.. if you are going to talk to someone.. sort our your attitude.. and goo study the book Good Manners In Islam by Iman Bukhairi.. okay..
goo study some knowledge.. and then come back to this thread and talk..

I find people who complain are just insecure about themselves, when I only mentioned children being strong, it is the only time they have to make it to Paradise, not live a miserable forced existance. It is a BAD THING to use others to make yourselves feel appreciated at the expense of your children being miserable.

I am not disputing respecting parents.

congrulations;D !! alhamduliah your getting somewhere with your manners.. praise is to allah.,

you dont make sense love.. the part where you were talking about children.. where do you get your information from.. hmm i suspect with ignorance and without knowledge..

who said they have to live a miserable forced existence.. what you need to understnad is.. that okay these situations doo happen in life.. and instead of just complaining and being rude to people.. why dont you do somehting about it.. go set up a dawah project that supports your idea... and btw good luckkk with that..

this life is a test.. it is the prupose of our existence... off course we have to suffer some point in our lives...

let me just tell uu an ayah of the quran which explains it all..

[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -

exactly.. allah created us so that he can test us... and some people are tested with these situations.. and allah is training them to have Sabr- patience... with their parents and to place their trust in allah..

You say that I am misguiding you, then PRAY to Allah, PRAY that our paths never cross when these countries collapse, till the time we have to walk to the Mahdi. PRAY, PRAY for this, as you are saying that I am misguiding you. When I only have mentioned the truth, which Syed_z has not refuted he is using other situations without addressing the situation at hand.
if your have mentioned the truth.. quote an ayah of the quran.. or a hadith that backs up your point.... i dont see any evidence..

which Syed_z has not refuted he is using other situations without addressing the situation at hand.

okay and your point is..??

 

[Al Mu'minaat]

ohh btw love.. i forgot something my dear sister... ;D

I think its time you shut your mouth.. and went to another forum we're people will appreciate your presence.. no one wants you hear, you and your iggnorance .. GET LOST..:raging:
all the best

 

[noorseeker]

You shouldnt break a old family in order to make a new one,

I hate it when i see couples dying to marry each other, as if life depends on it .

If it dont work out, move on,

 

[h-n]

Muhammad (saw) said "A Believer is either one who speaks good or keeps his/her mouth shut."

Marriage for you is nothing but Sexual Intercourse... there is also love and affection and emotions, its not only Physical Satisfaction that you marry for... May Allah guide you before you get married...



for you H-n ....


(75:14) Nay but man shall against himself be an eye witness, (15) even though he may veil himself in excuses...


Praise be to Allah (swt)... every one sees what your saying and what i have said and every one knows whose at fault... just by writing in Capital and fancy will not help you prove your point and will not help change the fact ... your talks are useless and you need to repent to God for whatever you have posted in many threads...

What ever you say comes from Your own Evil Self (Nafs) , it does NOT come from Allah (Swt) and His Messenger (saw)... just cause your status say "sister in Islam"... does not mean that Muslim Brothers/sisters will help or be on your side even if you were saying everything wrong.... we are supposed to say word of Truth even though it be against Ourselves...

Learn Islam, then come talk..

Again you have NOT refuted anything on post 1, you change the subject to something else. I am talking about forced marriages etc, and your talking about respecting parents. Of course people can see that you don't make any sense. Absolutely baseless! So its best for you to keep your mouth shut, when obviously your always avoiding the thread content!!

Also I am referring to sex as an example that you shouldn't be told who to have sex with.

 

[h-n]

You saying that I am misguiding people? Why don't you also ask Allah to help those children who have been placed in difficult situations too???


ermm i think your confused love, who said i was talking about you? - think twice and use your brain.. i thought you had one.. *wink*
not everything in the post is about you my dear.. get used to it.. i didnt mention your name..

and may i say.. you really dooo need to sort out your attitude out.. wallahi by allah.. i have never ever in my whole entire life seen a foul mouth person+o(. you are soo rude.. if you are going to talk to someone.. sort our your attitude.. and goo study the book Good Manners In Islam by Iman Bukhairi.. okay..
goo study some knowledge.. and then come back to this thread and talk..

I find people who complain are just insecure about themselves, when I only mentioned children being strong, it is the only time they have to make it to Paradise, not live a miserable forced existance. It is a BAD THING to use others to make yourselves feel appreciated at the expense of your children being miserable.

I am not disputing respecting parents.

congrulations;D !! alhamduliah your getting somewhere with your manners.. praise is to allah.,

you dont make sense love.. the part where you were talking about children.. where do you get your information from.. hmm i suspect with ignorance and without knowledge..

who said they have to live a miserable forced existence.. what you need to understnad is.. that okay these situations doo happen in life.. and instead of just complaining and being rude to people.. why dont you do somehting about it.. go set up a dawah project that supports your idea... and btw good luckkk with that..

this life is a test.. it is the prupose of our existence... off course we have to suffer some point in our lives...

let me just tell uu an ayah of the quran which explains it all..

[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -

exactly.. allah created us so that he can test us... and some people are tested with these situations.. and allah is training them to have Sabr- patience... with their parents and to place their trust in allah..

You say that I am misguiding you, then PRAY to Allah, PRAY that our paths never cross when these countries collapse, till the time we have to walk to the Mahdi. PRAY, PRAY for this, as you are saying that I am misguiding you. When I only have mentioned the truth, which Syed_z has not refuted he is using other situations without addressing the situation at hand.
if your have mentioned the truth.. quote an ayah of the quran.. or a hadith that backs up your point.... i dont see any evidence..

which Syed_z has not refuted he is using other situations without addressing the situation at hand.

okay and your point is..??

From your post you it would be obvious that you were saying that I was misguiding you. If you deny this, then repeat it on the Day of Judgement, as you are avoiding saying who you were referring to!!

The post 1 of this thread, is acceptable, and sound in Islam.

Manners??? I have not been rude, I am to the point and direct. What do you want me to do talk to you like if I am talking to a 5 year old??

Yes, we are here to be tested, but that does not mean that people forcibly place people in miserable situations!

The fact that you avoided mentioning on your first post here anything about children being forced into marriage, already speaks volumes, that you are an inconsiderate person!! <_<

If you can't handle what and how I am saying, then wait till the countries finish collapsing, what do you expect another Muslims to do? Hold your hand when the Dajjal is here???

 

[h-n]

ohh btw love.. i forgot something my dear sister... ;D

I think its time you shut your mouth.. and went to another forum we're people will appreciate your presence.. no one wants you hear, you and your iggnorance .. GET LOST..:raging:
all the best

Your already forgetting what I've actually mentioned ??? That;-

1. 100% that these countries are collapsing right now.

2. There won't be an Islamicboard soon. :lol: So getting rid of me, is the least of your problems.

3. The Major signs of the Day of Judgement is upon us.

4. I'm not asking to be appreciated LOL. I am here to provide information on what I know and understand about Islam to help people to be strong for the coming events, for when the Dajjal arrives. (So it is not my issue that people choose to derail, and waste time)

5. Also as Allah's is my witness, I see a definite link, the fact the people have problems with me are those that have been complacent about what is going on around them, that countries are ending right now (I am more then happy to take the blame, but I see it lying with how you are first, were people anyway have not actually mentioned about problems with post 1 of threads) . I am providing information directly and to the point so people can learn quickly. Which your already proving that you are not heeding what is going on, your asking to get rid of me, so you can continue in this forum as you want? How stupid is that when this is all finishing. As per my "Collapse of these countries" thread. :bump1:

6. My ignorance??? So your telling everyone that my threads are of ignorance they include;-

- Allah
- Murder
- Collapse of these countries
- Major signs of the Day of Judgement,
- Devils
- Non-Muslims and Islam
- Love, love say the Christians (but I say that they are liars)
- Why Prophet Jesus peace be upon him DOES NOt love the Christians
- No such things as Atheism
- To non-Muslims turning to Islam. etc.

7. I haven't come on a forum to be quiet. There would be no point of joining.

8. No one is forcing you to post in my threads.

9. Go ahead and create your own thread, its quite simple really, you just push a button on top of the screen.

10. I won't be joining another forum, when I finished here, which will be soon, as countries are finishing, as people will be busy watching the rest of the signs before the countries will be of no more.

 

[h-n]

everyone would get confused with the same user-names. thats not very practical.


what choice have you given me? i figured its best to ignore everything since you seemed to have not sunken in.


thank you you've hit the nail on the head.


exactly. so how do we prepare for this day, if we go around ignoring rulings Islam has stipulated. does that even sound consistent/normal to you?

Why don't you read the Quran all over again, the Day of Judgement comes first, and then everything falls into place when you remember this Day, which is were people decide on the choices that they make, and not be lead by unIslamic things.

Also you mentioned that I am not reading things from your prespective-well that is stupid as I created this thread, so people should talk about post 1 of this thread, not about other issues.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

. Did not the companions of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him also get married to who they wanted?

they did not ask the parent of the women or got married without thier permission ? Now a days , Muslims are having girl/ boy friends and they get married without the consent and prensence of guardian and they call it love marriage . Surely these go against the teaching of Islam.

Parents must not object if a proposal comes from a religious person . Also , young people must be careful not to disobey parents in the name of freedom.

 

[h-n]

Salaam



they did not ask the parent of the women or got married without thier permission ? Now a days , Muslims are having girl/ boy friends and they get married without the consent and prensence of guardian and they call it love marriage . Surely these go against the teaching of Islam.

Parents must not object if a proposal comes from a religious person . Also , young people must be careful not to disobey parents in the name of freedom.

The fact is that no one forced the companions to get married to such and such.

I am not talking about how Muslim Men and Women meet, I'm not talking about immature people, this thread is a follow up from the "Evil Society" thread. I am talking about the Muslims being prevented from getting married unlawfully.

This thread is about the last point that you have mentioned, that parents etc should not object to getting married to another Muslim.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

exactly ... agreed... so the person starting this Thread only focuses on one Subject while completely keeping Parents out, whom Allah has given a very high degree respect...Focuses only on children while forgetting that Parents are the cause of you to be in this world... keeps using words like selfish, stupid, jealous about those who are Mercy from Allah ..... and so yes we should love parents and CONSULT regarding all our decisions and not be rebellious with them as they care for us more than any one....

To be fair though, you keep saying parents know what best for us, but some parents just follow tradition like marrying their daughter/son off to cousins. Yeah I agree we should consult our parents. I think the sister said she is talking to children who have parents that are rejecting marriage for no valid reasons and only would accept certain people or those who are force to marry someone they dont like.

I know a couple that waited five years to marry because both families rejected each other due to race, but the parents finally accepted five years later. Patience always seems to work.

 

[Asiyah3]

3. The Major signs of the Day of Judgement is upon us.

What do you mean?

 

[h-n]

What do you mean?

The fact that the countries are finsihing right now, so then we enter into seeing the Major signs of the Day of Judgement by having the Mahdi for example.

Please see "Collapse of these countries" and "Major signs of the Day of judgement" threads, both in the general section.

 

[Asiyah3]

The fact that the countries are finsihing right now, so then we enter into seeing the Major signs of the Day of Judgement by having the Mahdi for example.

Please see "Collapse of these countries" and "Major signs of the Day of judgement" threads, both in the general section.

Are you saying that the Day of Judgement will arrive soon?

 

[h-n]

Are you saying that the Day of Judgement will arrive soon?

Have you read the threads, that I referred you to???

 

[Insecured soul]

Brother Hope you doing fine...


Yes brother you did not get me right... any Muslim Parents if trying to force their Children would not be following Shariah i agree......

.....but is this True that since the inception of Islam, for the past 1400 years of Islamic History, since all those years, among all parents with children or families, and every time, a Child was ALWAYS right and parents were ALWAYS wrong ? Hasn't there been times when Parents were also right and Children were also wrong ? Would you believe that Children's choice of Marriage ALWAYS ended up Perfect with 100% success rate ?..... seriously Bro, there are many instances where Parents have warned the child, because of the child's inexperience and because of parents own experience that they have been able to see that the guy might NOT be right for their daughter.... and yes there have been many instances when the Child was wrong and Parents saved their daughters from marrying wrong person and many instances when daughter realized her mistake of marrying a wrong guy by not listening to her parents who had more experience ...... so are you telling me that such will be against Shariah, if parents would stop their Child daughter from getting ruined....


thats why i gave an example which i have seen in my relatives and told H-N...
could you please tell me what was the Divorce rate was at the time ? brother there was no divorce rate..... Yes there were many instances that Marriages were broken but are you trying to say that rate was high as meaning most companions marriages did not end up right ? No thats not true... also the rate of Love marriages i.e Dating before Marriage, does it always end up right ?.... is there 100% succes rate in love marriages ? I have seen many statistics in which Love marriages are mostly unsuccessful... but does that mean there should NOT be love marriage ? Obviously you should like the person.... but that does NOT mean either that all Arrange marriages are NOT successful !! Its fruitless to argue over this... whether Arrange or Love, both ways can be success or unsuccess...

HOWEVER! There is NO Dating in Islam! Yes you need to know the person before you marry.... is there A Halaal way to do it ? Yes there is.... you can talk to the girl as long as she has a Mahram i.e her brother/father/mother etc with her... this is what scholars say because Muhammad (Saw) said "If a man and woman are alone, then the 3rd among them is a Satan"..... you can talk to her for how many hours, get to know her and then marry her if both of you think you can get along... simple! No Western Way of Dating!


There are also thousands who WOULD marry her.... and yes Many Sahabas did marry the widows ... im sure you agree with that! Muhammad (Saw) married A Widow.... so yes all men should, and Allah (Swt) says in the Quran about a Widow to not be forced.... and it clearly says...


(2:232) And when you divorce women and they have come to the end of their waiting term, hinder them not from marrying other men if they have agreed with each other in a fair manner.

The Divorced women are much experienced and know much about Marital life, as compared to a girl who has never been married....

Also we have to keep in mind, that unlike todays world, in Islamic Culture, which is still purely followed in many places of the World... men are the supporters of the House and women usually take care of the House as that is their Job... since Women do not go outside much and stay at homes unless otherwise.....young women need Guardians (walis) to help them in their Major Decision of their Lives, specially Marriages.... because it concerns their Future....

H-N is making it sound MORE like Parents influencing their Childs future is because they are JEALOUS and SELFISH! What Rubbish is that ? would people believe that Muslim Parents almost all of them, are jealous and selfish, even the worst parents Love their child, its God gifted Nature .... not that there cannot be ever.... but throughout her post, to stand up to parents is being shown as Standing up to a Tyrant Ruler!


All i am saying is... that Marriages cannot be forced on women, unmarried or divorced... period! but also Parents consultation is a must... they are your guardians, specially in case of young women... and since Allah (swt) gives them a degree which if we try giving them a lesser one, then we are going against Allah... mutual consultation brings peace, even the Companions did Mutual consultation before making their decisions... and this is case of those who gave birth and took care of you all your lives... and we forget them in regards to a major decision in your life ?

H-N if you notice only speaks of parents forcing and being selfish and jealous and children always being right, but she NEVER explains in an Islamic manner that we also need to keep Parents respect and love in our minds at all times...she only focuses on One while completely forgetting the most important aspect of a Muslims life, this is dangerous we are not one sided Muslim.... this is Un Islamic... this is to rebel... watch out!



What are colors good for ... when the Message aint even right...

Jazakallah brother im doing alrite

Brother u dont judge the health of the society by divorce rate, and yes indeed the divorce rate was high at the time of sahabah as compared to now, i would request u to go and verify this with an ulama, divorce is disliked but what do u do when u dont like ur wife/husband? would u live with her for the rest of ur lives, being miserable? offcourse not, sahabah would marry and divorce if they cant handly and also they wouldnt leave a sister stay unmarried so a divorcee would marry another man, i ask u again to go and check with an ulama coz i know u already have a lot of prejudices.

I never said love marriages are better than arranged? i dont support love marriages and all this dating crap.

offcourse parents may have been right in some cases when they have forced thier daughters into marriage but u dont assume that and force ur child, we dont control outcome of the affairs its allah azzawajal.

and if u take it in another way parents forcing thier child for thier better future................., do they know the future?

and why would parents not let thier daughter marry someone, on what reason would they refuse? almost all of them would refuse due job (lessness) or either he does not have his own house/car
these so called parents see only dunya.

a proper marriage is when u marry someone just for allah azzawajal and that ur partner should show u they way to jannah, whats the use of that partner who has house/car and has huge salary but doesnt pray and not is islamic? would he leave u to jannah or jahannum?

but i guess such type of marriages would be so rare in our ummah right now


u said there are thousands of muslim men who would marry a divorce women, well right now forget about divorce i know many women who are over 35 and were never married, there are many such cases in our muslim community all over the world, im sure u can come across some in ur country.

brother remember there are two extremes in everything islam shows us a a middle and best path, if u keep women only inside the house and tell her NOT NOT NOT to everything its not good niether she should be allowed to mix with men freely. there is a middle path, im sure i dont need to elaborate on that u can certaily understand what it is.

as far as the parents goes i would listen to them always and respect them

PLS someone show me how to multi quote

salaam alaikum

 

[Asiyah3]

Have you read the threads, that I referred you to???

I was expecting a simple yes or no. Yes, I read them now Al-hamdulillah. However, I didn't get a clear picture.. Will the Day of Judgement arrive soon?

 

[h-n]

I was expecting a simple yes or no. Yes, I read them now Al-hamdulillah. However, I didn't get a clear picture.. Will the Day of Judgement arrive soon?

The Day of Judgement is upon us.

Also here is what is going on, your edging for a confrontation (this is why you posted anything on my threads to try and get it!!) :lol: If you deny this, then say as Allah is my witness that this is not true!!!!!!!!!

You wanted me to say something more specific rather then upon us, so you wanted me to make a mistake and then you wanted to be critical of me and tell me that no one knows when the Day of Judgement is going to happen except Allah-which everyone knows. <_<

The fact is that these countries are finishing, we know that they won't be around when Prophet Jesus peace be upon him arrives. The thread are actually very clear, re-read them again, also with the proper attentions!!

 

[Asiyah3]

The Day of Judgement is upon us.

Also here is what is going on, your edging for a confrontation (this is why you posted anything on my threads to try and get it!!) LOL. If you deny this, then say as Allah is my witness that this not true!!!!!!!!!

You wanted me to say something more specific rather then upon us, so you wanted me to make a mistake and then you wanted to be critical of me and tell me that no one knows when the Day of Judgement is going to happen except Allah-which everyone knows. <_<

*Ehem..* I am not against reminders, we should definitely prepare ourselves, think of the Aakhirah and take heed of the small signs of day of Judgement insha'Allah. Nevertheless, Allah alone knows when the Hour will be.

p.s. Didn't I tell you to stop using colours? <_<

 

[h-n]

*Ehem..* I am not against reminders, we should definitely prepare ourselves, think of the Aakhirah and take heed of the small signs of day of Judgement insha'Allah. Nevertheless, Allah alone knows when the Hour will be.

p.s. Didn't I tell you to stop using colours? <_<

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Sister h-n

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

The fact is that no one forced the companions to get married to such and such.
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and another fact they did not have any secret relationship or did anything shameful . Now a days , young people are becoming shameless and they think it's their right to do so . They believe , parents must approve everything children are asking for including approval of the affairs they have.


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This thread is about the last point that you have mentioned, that parents etc should not object to getting married to another Muslim.

your point is good but u presented it in a very negative way . Thus created the unnecessary debate . Sis ,pl. remember to show due respect to parents.

And We have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents. His mother bears him with hardship. And she brings him forth with hardship, and the bearing of him, and the weaning of him is thirty months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years, he says: "My Lord! Grant me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favour which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds, such as please You, and make my offspring good. Truly, I have turned to You in repentance, and truly, I am one of the Muslims (submitting to Your Will)." ( 46 : 15 )