Mathematical Miracles of the Qur'an

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Every Mesopotamian mythology, including the Bible, and also including ancient Greek and Egyptian mythology, claims that the heavens and earth were once joined and that the creator-god separated them out into discernable parts.

• In the Enuma Elish, Marduk separates the sea goddess' corpse into sky and earth.
• In Egyptian mythology, the sky is the body of a fertility goddess.
• In Greek mythology, Ouranos, the sky, arose from Gaia, the sea/earth.
• In Genesis, Yahweh creates earth and heaven by splitting up the waters.
• In the Rig Veda, Indra separates the body of the ocean dragon into earth and sky.

I guess all of these mythologies were also talking about the Big Bang?


You think all the above explanations describe big bang in a nutshell?
nut.....nut.....nut.....

can these above explanations stand scientific scrutiny ?

can the explanation by quran stand scientific scrutiny?

ask yourself a honest question.
 
Greetings,
You think all the above explanations describe big bang in a nutshell?
nut.....nut.....nut.....

They're about as close as the Qur'anic description.

can these above explanations stand scientific scrutiny ?

Nope.
can the explanation by quran stand scientific scrutiny?

Nope.

Post another picture of a clove - I'm sure that will make it more convincing. :hmm:

Peace
 
Greetings,


They're about as close as the Qur'anic description.



Nope.


Nope.

Post another picture of a clove - I'm sure that will make it more convincing. :hmm:

Peace



Are these statements very similar or even close enough?

The heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder

the Enuma Elish, Marduk separates the sea goddess' corpse into sky and earth.


And this...


The heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder

The sky is the body of a fertility goddess


And this..



The heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder


The sky, arose from Gaia, the sea/earth



And this…


The heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder


Yahweh creates earth and heaven by splitting up the waters


And this..

The heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder

Indra separates the body of the ocean dragon into earth and sky.



Are you a scientist?

Can you point out what is unscientific about the verse


Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?
[Al-Quraan 21:30]


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Many Muslims in their enthusiasm go overboard and start saying
Look this is a miracle.... look. Look...theirs another miracle.

Alhumdulilah there are many miracles…..
Err…..
Coincidences
Err………
Interesting statements

????????????????????


But Quran is not a book of miracles nor is it a book of science
It is a book which contain signs and a book of guidance, a book of warning


But guidance for whom?

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

Quran 2:2

Signs for whom?


And He has subjected to you, as from Him, all that is in the heavens and on earth: Behold, in that are Signs indeed for those who reflect.
Chapter #45, Verse #13


Warning for whom?


Say: "Behold all that is in the heavens and on earth"; but neither Signs nor warners profit those who believe not.

Chapter #10, Verse #101



As a Muslim my duty is to deliver the message of Islam
As I will be questioned about this on the Day of Judgment by Allah
No Muslim has the power to convert other person into Muslim nor he will be held accountable for the person who does not accept the message of Islam
But the message must be delivered and it is only Allah who can guide


yeah, so why i keep posting these things?

it may inspire some Muslim brother who are weak in their beliefs
or somebody who is really looking for answerers might benefit
it increases my knowledge as i do research
it may expel doubts if some of my Muslim brothers have it

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"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

Here the drop is the semen that is ejaculated and anybody who thinks semen comes from testicles needs to brush up his brains rather than his teeth

Semen is not produced by testis they only produce sperms and sperms is not liquid

Semen facts


Semen doesn't just contain sperm, but fluids secreted by several glands during ejaculation.
  • During sexual arousal, and close to the point of climax, semen travels from the epididymis through a tube called the vas deferens. Here, it picks up a fluid rich in fructose - a sugary substance that acts a bit like rocket fuel.
  • Other fluids kick in along the way to the urethra (the tube that runs the length of the penis). This comes from the prostate gland, the Cowper's glands and the seminal vesicles. Some secretions are designed to neutralise acids (such as urine traces in the urethra), others provide vital enzymes).
  • The finished product contains approximately just 10% sperm. The rest consists of enzymes, vitamin C, calcium, protein, sodium, zinc, citric acid and fructose sugar.
http://tinyurl.com/2ly8ol


So semen has two distinct component sperm and liquid and it is the liquid that is emitted along with the sperm

What is this liquid made of and where does it come from?

It comes from prostate gland, the Cowper's glands ,the seminal vesicles, and stomach.

Stomach ?
why stomach is included?

Semen also contain enzymes, vitamin C, calcium, protein, sodium, zinc, citric acid and fructose sugar

And where do we get all this from?
All these enzymes, vitamin C, calcium, protein, sodium, zinc, citric acid and fructose sugar are extracted from the food we eat that is digested in our stomach!


  • Some people think the food guys eat has an impact on sperm taste.
  • Food containing naturally-occurring sugars, such as fruit (and even real ale) are believed to produce a finer vintage.
  • Red meat, and diets rich in dairy produce may not go down so well, so guys should go easy on the milk and cheese, as well as onions and garlic - just be aware that these are foods that play an important role in a balanced diet, so don't cut it out completely!
http://www.thesite.org/healthandwellbeing/generalhealth/menshealth/semenfacts

And where are these prostate gland, the Cowper's glands ,the seminal vesicles, and stomach located?

Between the backbone and the ribs

Hey! This is no miracle just an explanation.




The Arabic words: Bain usSulbe watTaraib

Sulb = backbone, loin, lower back; Taraib = ribs, breastbone, chest.

Bain = between, among, amidst

It is a phrase in Arabic that is similar to the English phrase, “somewhere between the front and the back”



(Allah knows best)
 
Here is a scientist who believes there is no scientific errors in Quran

Prof. of Mathematics (Ex-Atheist) on Accepting Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z73ohM_Rjw&feature=related

scientist Converts to Islam after Studying Qur'an
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiQqM6hUnAU&feature=related

European SCIENTIST Converts To ISLAM
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5789309721856178863

:enough!:

so?
someone became a muslim. thats nice. others have rejected islam too.
some have become atheists, christian, jewish ect...
 
And where are these prostate gland, the Cowper's glands ,the seminal vesicles, and stomach located?

Between the backbone and the ribs
No they're not! Are you even remotely familiar with anatomy? Or are you deliberately lying?

I'd post pictures of anatomy but I'm not sure if they're too graphic for the forum. But your false claim is easy to check. You should have checked before posting.
 
I'm afraid he has a point; only the stomach is even near that position. The rest form part of the male reproductive organs which are nowhere near your ribs. Sulb you might get away with, but none of 'ribs', 'breastbone', or 'chest' is remotely accurate.

Here we see the dangers of seeing 'science' where there is none. If you take it as a vague statement of the obvious, it's fine. Pretend it is some sort of biological description and you have a 'Quran'ic scientific mistake'. Take your pick.
 
The Arabic words : Bain usSulbe watTaraib

An ejaculated fluid from: Bain usSulbe watTaraib

Sulb = backbone, loin, lower back; Taraib = ribs, breastbone, chest.

Bain = between, among, amidst

Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall reads

That issued from between the loins and ribs

Loins -- The region of the hips, groin, and lower abdomen
http://www.answers.com/loins&r=67

backbone-1.gif



http://www.backbonechiropractic.com/l1l5.html

The Lumbar Spine is the part of your spine commonly referred to as your "lower back.

Many organs and tissues also get their nerve supply from nerves that exit from the lumbar spine. These include:

Large intestines
Appendix
Male and female reproductive organs
Bladder
Prostate gland
Many others
http://www.backbonechiropractic.com/l1l5.html



The prostate gland is located in front of the lumber spine and little lower, in front of rectum. But just above the coccyx which is the end of backbone.

Coccyx-- also called tailbone curved, semiflexible lower end of the backbone (vertebral column)
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9024559/coccyx


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If we look from the side and draw two lines one parallel to the ribs and other parallel to the backbone, starting from the level of ribs(stomach) and ending at coccyx you will find that the organs mentioned lie between the two lines i.e. between backbone and ribs



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At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."


quran:
An-Naml, Chapter #27, Verse #18


ha! ha! ants speaking

ERR!!! ....................................

Ant talk - ants may use acoustic signal for urgent communications
(getting curshed under foot certenly calls for urgent communicationd!!)
ANTS RAISE FUNGAL CROPS, HERD aphids, and wage war, all of which requires effident communication. Entomologists know that ants relay information to one another with chemicals called pheromones. But the chemical grapevine may not be the preferred medium for urgent communication, says acoustical engineer Robert Hickling of the University of Mississippi. His experiments with fire ants suggest that the ant hot line for distress or danger may be acoustic

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...17/ai_18471033



Yes. Ants often hold meetings. When an ant wants to attract the
Attention of another ant, it taps that ant on the head with its
Antennas/feelers. Ants communicate by chemical, touch,
sound,
Smell and sight. –UMI

http://www.antcam.com/info/faq/4.2.html
 
If we look from the side and draw two lines one parallel to the ribs and other parallel to the backbone, starting from the level of ribs(stomach) and ending at coccyx you will find that the organs mentioned lie between the two lines i.e. between backbone and ribs

Oh, c'mon! No, lying between two imaginary lines does not mean "between backbone and ribs". "Between backbone and ribs" means just that. Your heart, and lungs, for example.

As I said, sulb you can get away with but taraib (ribs, breastbone, chest) you can not. It's either a meaningless description in scientific terms, or a 'scientific mistake' - and absurd to present it any other way.

As to the ants, 'speaking' involves an essential element that as far as we know (there are a few 'possibles' - not including ants) is restricted to homo sapiens, language. Language, that is, what the word actually means, is the ability to represent what we know and understand about the world as symbols that can be intelligently combined and manipulated, and using those symbols to transfer those concepts to others. Whether the ant 'hotline' is chemical or acoustic doesn't matter. What does matter is that the evidence ants can or ever could understand concepts like 'Solomon' or 'trampled', and hence use langauge, and hence speak, is one big fat zero. Anything else is just animal noise as made by birds, lions, cats, wolves or whatever. Even if such noise does serve the purpose of a 'warning', no animal understands the concept of either a warning or whatever it is being warned against such as, in this case, being trampled upon.

It's a fable, not 'science'. I'm sorry, but as I said before trying to present it as 'science' just makes the whole idea of Qur'anic 'science' look utterly ridiculous. And whose faith will that strengthen?
 
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As I said, sulb you can get away with but taraib (ribs, breastbone, chest)

Since you are so generous by letting me get away with sulb but your generosity ends at the ribs!

So let me stretch you generosity by quoting Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall

So let man consider from what he is created.
He is created from a gushing fluid
That issued from between the loins and ribs.



Now it would have been sufficient just to mention sulb since it is easy, as everybody knows from which region the liquid is coming from.
So why complicate by mentioning ribs?

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Yes, what you eat can influence the taste and smell of your semen

http://ezinearticles.com/?Semen---Sperm-Taste-Improvement-Tips&id=7858

foods can have a profound impact on the motility and force behind your ejaculation.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Learn-How-To-Increase-Your-Semen-Volume-With-Food&id=428306

It is clearly evident that stomach which extracts the nutrient from food plays an important
Part in production and ejaculation of semen.
So you see the phrase “between lions and ribs” is perfectly acceptable


:coolalien
 
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I think we had better leave it there in case there are any children reading!! :uuh:
 
Can we talk about ants at least? Please

During the dark ages of Europe the Islamic world was at its peak
Islam has produce many great scientist, philosophers, doctors, mathematicians,
Inventors, surgeons, just Google it I promise you, you will be amazed.
Since we Muslims consider the Quran to be the word of god, and Allah (swt) tells
Don’t you see….reflect……think about his creation….
So anything mentioned in the Quran immediately catches our attention
And it sets us thinking why Allah (swt) has mentioned it, what’s must be the reason behind it.
If we are unable to figure it out or cannot explain a particular situation
Or may be we have explained a thing convincingly and yet it may be having some other meaning, which is why we always say Allah knows best
But we never disbelieve, we leave it to Allah to make it clear to us may be in future
When more information may be reveled.
But from a non-believers perspective we look like a bunch of fanatics proving this and proving that.

Ah...Ants let’s talk about them…..

Why Allah mentions ants and on the top of it says they talk?
What’s so special about them?


What does matter is that the evidence ants can or ever could understand concepts like 'Solomon' or 'trampled', and hence use langauge, and hence speak, is one big fat zero.


Pharaoh ants can be a real nuisance, and can be somewhat difficult to control. The common mistake most homeowners make when combating pharaoh ants is to spray them with some type of insecticide. Pharaoh ants live in a colony and when the workers sense a danger from insecticides they send a signal back to their colony. This signal alerts the colony that there is danger and the colony responds by separating into smaller colonies and thus spreading the problem to other areas of the home
http://www.bushpestcontrol.com/pest_tips.php


One group of creature who have pioneered modes and methods of communication are the humble ants.

They can communicate to each other whenever they sense danger


http://www.schoolsahead.com/schools-ahead/sa-articles/sa-articles.php?artid=Mjc=



Ants Are First Non-Humans to Teach, Study Says

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/15/AR2006011500588.html


When it comes to rapid road repairs, the ants have their own do-it-yourself highways agency,

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2723080020070527


While many types of animals can learn behaviors by imitating other animals, ants may be the only group of animals besides primates and some other mammals in which interactive teaching behavior has been observed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant#Communication



Ants lead frantically busy lives in an incredibly complex society. They plant gardens, herd and milk bugs such as aphids, raise armies for battles, take slaves, and even bury their dead in ant cemeteries. Most ants fight with their jaws, but one remarkable ant from Malaysia fights by exploding.


http://members.aol.com/yesclub2/blants.html


the finger is moved slowly within an inch or more of the ant. Its antennae wave rapidly. Its head and body jerk with eager intentness. It stretches forth its head, and reaches out its fore legs, with jaws eagerly agape and antennae quivering. The whole attitude and every bodily detail clearly express to the observer the idea of vigilance, of suspicion, of a challenge, of a purpose to repel.


Give the mound a sharp blow with foot or hand. What a change! Instantly the whole community is aroused.

Our home has been attacked! We are in danger! Rally to the defence! Death to our enemies!".

http://www.antcolonies.net/howantscommunicate.html



At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."


quran:
An-Naml, Chapter #27, Verse #18



your one big fat zero just had some additions of one fat zero and one mr slim, and now they stand as
100 :D


(Allah knows best)
 
You do realize that ants communicate by pheremones (chemicals), right?

Are you saying chemical communications constitute language?

When a tiger pees on a bush and another tiger smells the pee and walks the other way, are these tigers "speaking to each other"?
 
Can we talk about ants at least? Please

We can, although I think you have totally missed my point.

They can communicate to each other whenever they sense danger

They do not 'sense' danger, or at least in the way you mean. If you read that article it refers to a 'trapped' ant... they respond to changes in their physical condition by releasing a chemical signal that is detected by other ants. It is a purely involuntary response by both parties, the trapped ant has no concept of 'danger' and no concious intention to inform other ants of any danger. It is communication, but not speech

Our home has been attacked! We are in danger! Rally to the defence! Death to our enemies!"

Pure anthropomorphism. Ants cannot formulate any of those concepts, be it "our", "home", "we" or "danger". Both communicating behaviour and the response to it are purely instinctive.

your one big fat zero just had some additions of one fat zero and one mr slim, and now they stand as
100

Nonsense. As I said, you have not grasped my point. The evidence that ants can speak is zero. Nobody disputes that they communicate just like many other animals - or indeed most animals in one way or another. Nobody disputes that ants are amazing creatures and live in complex 'societies'. But speech is a very particular sub-set of communication. Qingu's example is a very good one of a case in which the latter does not constitute the former!
 
It is you who is missing the point.

The ants are talking amongst them self
And Allah (swt) is telling us what they are saying or translating their talk for us


In some ways, ants and people are alike. Both ants and people take care of their young, live together, have different jobs, and depend on each other. Ants have all the senses that humans have but use different body parts to achieve the same goals

http://www.uen.org/Lessonplan/preview.cgi?LPid=18879


it is like you have a pet dog and he is hungry so he start barking or behaving in a particular manner and someone ask you what’s wrong with him and you may say oh.. He is asking for food.

HOW TO SPEAK DOG

Many people simply expect their dogs to understand what they say without taking the time to learn to speak dog. Instead of learning the language and customs of dogs
http://www.housepetmagazine.com/four/How_to_speak_Dog.htm


Allah(swt) gave Prophet Solomon (pbuh) the ability to communicate with the animals

Pleas wait…..before you work yourself in frenzy and raise you bias and rigid attitude to dangerous levels, which makes you miss the point and instead of reflecting you start deflecting ……calm down.


Let me give you example of some amazing people.


Human Computer

At the fifty-second mark, the lady opens her eyes and slowly pronounces the answer, ‘546372891’. The professor checks it with the result given by the computer. Yes, she is correct. It is the 23rd root of the 201 digit long number. Earlier that day, the fastest computer of the time, Univac 1108, had taken 62 seconds to give the answer
(Note: she actually took even less time to calculate in her brain, 52 second includes the time taken to dictate the answer)
http://chennaionline.com/cityfeature/Personalities/humancomputer.asp


Daniel Paul Tammet
He was born with congenital childhood epilepsy
but the detail and specificity of Tammet's mental imagery of numbers is unique. In his mind, he says, each number up to 10,000 has its own unique shape and feel, that he can "see" results of calculations as landscapes, and that he can "sense" whether a number is prime or composite. He has described his visual image of 289 as particularly ugly, 333 as particularly attractive, and pi as beautiful


The Boy with Sonar Vision

He's the only person in the world who sees using nothing but eco location, like a sonar or a dolphin.


Mister Eat-it-All

He apparently possesses a stomach and intestine with walls of twice the expected thickness, and his digestive acids are, allegedly, unusually powerful, allowing him to digest a certain portion of his metallic meals.


The Magnetic Man

He says that he discovered he had the amazing ability to make objects stick "magnetically" to his skin,

http://www.oddee.com/item_91848.aspx


So please do not balk or make fun or disbelieve when it is mentioned that Prophet Solomon (pbuh) had the ability to communicate with the animals.




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Knoweth he not that Allah doth see?
Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the forelock
A lying, sinful forelock!

(Quran, 96:14-16)
Yusuf Ali


Does he not know that Allah does see?
Nay! if he desist not, We would certainly smite his forehead
A lying, sinful forehead

(Quran, 96:14-16)
Shakir


The front of the head as being lying and sinful?

Lying Makes Brain Work Harder

"There may be unique areas in the brain involved in deception that can be measured with fMRI,"


There were clear differences between the liars and the truth tellers

Lying caused activity in the frontal part of the brain

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/11/65871




alhamdulliah


(Allah knows best)
 
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