Meteorite crashed in russia - 500 injured

[Dburzon]

As science advances we are now able to track larger bodies and will one day be able to track bodies of the size that hit Russia. It is likely that we will also, one day, be able to deflect bodies..

They are working on the plans and funding right now for a more reliable tracking system.
Goal is being on station by 2016.

I fully agree that the next step will be shooting them down like a anti aircraft system.

I don't think it will take long before that technology is within reach.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

They are working on the plans and funding right now for a more reliable tracking system.
Goal is being on station by 2016.

I fully agree that the next step will be shooting them down like a anti aircraft system.

I don't think it will take long before that technology is within reach.

Remember that when these things enter the atmosphere it is very difficult to shoot them down, these things go with thousands of miles per hour, around 30.000/40.000 miles per hour perhaps.

 

[Dburzon]

Remember that when these things enter the atmosphere it is very difficult to shoot them down, these things go with thousands of miles per hour, around 30.000/40.000 miles per hour perhaps.

I don't believe we have the technology to do it right now.
They are moving faster then ICBMs.

Also hitting them above the earth atmosphere might be currently impossible.

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

I'm bit cautious with this. Will it be an international effort, truly international, or will it only be few individual states with the same worldview labeling themselves as 'international'?

I am not comfortable with the weaponization of space.

 

[Dburzon]

I'm bit cautious with this. Will it be an international effort, truly international, or will it only be few individual states with the same worldview labeling themselves as 'international'?

I am not comfortable with the weaponization of space.

I can't post the link since I'm a newbie.

Russia has approved a $2bn plan for the project of a advanced tracking system and shield.

No further details. Which means it is all just researching and planning at this point.


I can see how this whole idea might have terrible consequences.

 

[ardianto]

I don't believe we have the technology to do it right now.
They are moving faster then ICBMs.

Also hitting them above the earth atmosphere might be currently impossible.

How about hitting them before entering the atmosphere?.

Frankly, this meteorite crash event remind me to "Deep Impact".

 

[sister herb]

How about hitting them before entering the atmosphere?.

Aren´t the scientists already planning kind of system - for situations when some very big meteorite might hit to the earth? I think I read about it before. But I think that this kind of smaller ones, which cause only local damage is harder to prevent (as most of the meteorites burn when they come to the atmosphere and rest of them settle to uninhabited areas).

 

[Independent]

Aren´t the scientists already planning kind of system - for situations when some very big meteorite might hit to the earth?

Yes they are. Russia in particular has been talking this way - about partially exploding large objects in space, before they reach the earth. Some objects are big enough to do very serious damage. For instance, the whole of the Gulf of Mexico is an impact crater (which some people say wiped out the dinosaurs although this is disputed).

Right now the technology isn't really good enough but give it a few decades and it will be...

 

[ardianto]

Aren´t the scientists already planning kind of system - for situations when some very big meteorite might hit to the earth? I think I read about it before. But I think that this kind of smaller ones, which cause only local damage is harder to prevent (as most of the meteorites burn when they come to the atmosphere and rest of them settle to uninhabited areas).

I know scientist already planning system for protect earth from asteroid or comet that might hit earth. Actually idea of "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" were based on this planning.

For smaller meteorite?. There are many meteorite that entering the atmosphere every day, but mostly of them burn in atmosphere and reach the earth as dusts. But sometime the size are still bigger when reach earth surface.

 

[Woodrow]

Isn't the number 1200?

They are finding it was larger than initially reported and there was more damage and injuries.

This is the most recent report I am able to find.

HERE

 

[Mustafa2012]

Meteorites of varying sizes hit the earth all the time, and did so for billions of years before there were any people to be 'morally' punished.

There is no evidence I've ever seen of a pattern of strikes based on moral criteria.

As science advances we are now able to track larger bodies and will one day be able to track bodies of the size that hit Russia. It is likely that we will also, one day, be able to deflect bodies that are large enough to do damage.

At that point the 'moral' punishment by meteorites will therefore cease. By act of man. Forever.

Of course, call me crazy, but it could simply be that these things are all flying around according to the laws of physics....

In my experience, atheists have a way of logically explaining just about everything.

However those who believe in religion and a Creator who rewards and punishes, usually believe that natural disasters are the work of The Creator and a sign.

Man seems to be figuring ways to do more and more things every day.

Do you think man will one day find a way to stop earthquakes, tornados, floods, disease, death etc. one day?

 

[Independent]

Do you think man will one day find a way to stop earthquakes, tornados, floods, disease, death etc. one day

Stop them, no. Reduce the damage - absolutely and it's already been happening. Early warning systems for earthquakes and tsunami have helped people escape. Building regulations mean houses are less likely to collapse. Flood defence systems such as the remarkable Thames Barrier in London help avoid major disasters. As for death - modern medicine has hugely reduced neo-natal mortality rates, diseases and improved surgical peformance. Penicillin alone has saved untold millions. Isn't this fantastic? Should we not celebrate this? The most optimistic publication in the world today is the New Scientist magazine. You cannot read it and not feel inspired, as well as full of admiration for your fellow men.

In my experience, atheists have a way of logically explaining just about everything

Is that a bad thing?

 

[Amat Allah]

Assalaamu Alikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

We better return to Sunnah in everything to know how to react and what say as Allah taught us through our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)...

Form the book of Jaami Attirmithi:

أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قالَ: مَنْ رَأَى صَاحِبَ بَلَاءٍ فَقَالَ الحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي عَافَانِي مِمَّا ابْتَلَاكَ بِهِ وَفَضَّلَنِي عَلَى كَثِيرٍ مِمَّنْ خَلَقَ تَفْضِيلًا إِلَّا عُوفِيَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ الْبَلَاءِ كَائِنًا مَا كَانَ مَا عَاشَ

حديث حسن
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Umar(may Allah Be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

“If anyone says on seeing someone in afliction:

Praise belongs to Allah Who saved me from that with which He has afflicted you, and caused me to excel over most of those whom He created with a distinct excellence, then he will be saved from the affliction whatever it be as long as he lives.

[Ibn Majah 3892]

قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : مَنْ رَأَى مُبْتَلًى فَقَالَ الحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي عَافَانِي مِمَّا ابْتَلَاكَ بِهِ وَفَضَّلَنِي عَلَى كَثِيرٍ مِمَّنْ خَلَقَ تَفْضِيلًا لمْ يُصِبْهُ ذَلِكَ الْبَلَاء
حديث صحيح
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Narrated Abu Huraira (May Allah Be pleased with him); that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

“He who sees an afflicted person and says:

Praise belongs to Allah Who saved me wherewith he has afflicted you and made me to excel singularly over many of those whom He created, then that offliction will never afflict him.

We better thank Allah that that thing didn't land over our heads and ask Him The Most Merciful to protect us from such things and to ease people's grief and hardships guiding us and them to Him always ... O Allah Ameeen

 

[Mustafa2012]

Stop them, no. Reduce the damage - absolutely and it's already been happening. Early warning systems for earthquakes and tsunami have helped people escape. Building regulations mean houses are less likely to collapse. Flood defence systems such as the remarkable Thames Barrier in London help avoid major disasters. As for death - modern medicine has hugely reduced neo-natal mortality rates, diseases and improved surgical peformance. Penicillin alone has saved untold millions. Isn't this fantastic? Should we not celebrate this? The most optimistic publication in the world today is the New Scientist magazine. You cannot read it and not feel inspired, as well as full of admiration for your fellow men.

Is that a bad thing?

On the one hand I think that whatever efforts man has made to prevent the in-evitable and pro-long life is commendable.

On the other hand there is the side of me that sees that many diseases and health conditions including death are all eventually in-evitable and within the control of and a sign of The Power and existence of a Creator. We can do all we can to pro long life but no man has achieved immortality to date.

This is the part that I was actually referring to in my last post.

Do you not see the actions that are beyond the control of man as a sign of the existence of The Creator who is causing all these actions to happen?

 

[Independent]

Do you not see the actions that are beyond the control of man as a sign of the existence of The Creator who is causing all these actions to happen?

From what I can see, both natural disasters (earthquakes etc) and diseases have causes that we can determine in physics, biology or the relevant science. Where there are gaps, it seems reasonable to expect they will one day be filled, as they have done in the past.

They may be a God, but even if there is I still don't see why we should attach moral significance to natural disasters.

For instance, you might obviously say that STDs such as syphilis are the judgement of God for too many sexual partners. But I would see it simply as a reflection of the fact that disease takes every opportunity to fill every niche, and every form of contact. Disease is morally blind. You might as well say that meningitis is a judgement on too many creches.

A great many diseases jumped species from animals many thousands of years ago, through close proximity with humans when we began farming. Many of our worst diseases are, to a large extent, the direct consequence of agriculture. As hunter gatherers we suffered from a fraction of the diseases we have now and widespread transmission was difficult.

That's not morality - it's a reflection of the natural laws of contagion.

Today, the highest death rates from disease or natural disasters are mostly connected with poverty. AIDS might damage a western society, but it wipes out African communities because of poverty. The Haiti earthquake killed vast numbers because of poor building construction and other factors of poverty or bad government.

Therefore, if you measure things by disasters, then it would seem that to be poor is to be immoral. That can't be right and it conflicts with religion in other ways as I'm sure you'll agree.

So, these events are not moral events.

 

[Logikon]

Do you think man will one day find a way to stop earthquakes, tornados, floods, disease, death etc. one day?

Not stop earthquakes or tornadoes. But will find a way to predict them and reduce the number of deaths.

Floods: Usually we know when a flood is coming. With technology walls can be raised and lowered quickly. It is some time off.

Disease: We live a lot longer than our anscestors did. It is due to more healthy life style, better hygiene, better food and better medicine.

Death. We can't beat death. We can prolong life.

 

[Logikon]

Do you not see the actions that are beyond the control of man as a sign of the existence of The Creator who is causing all these actions to happen?

All you have said here is that you don't understand something and therefore the thing must have been done by a god.
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[Mustafa2012]

All you have said here is that you don't understand something and therefore the thing must have been done by a god.
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No, you have mis-interpreted my words.

In no place did I say, "I don't understand something and therefore the thing must have been done by a god."

In fact my view is the total opposite of your interpretation.

I actually believe that all of the actions that take place in the universe which are not within the control of mankind or Jinn are the actions of The Creator who has the perfect ability to control everything.

My belief is based on rational, logical thinking based on:

1. Divine knowledge passed on from all the previous prophets and Messengers mentioned in the Holy scriptures of the Bible, Torah and The Qur'an which is perfectly compatible with science. In fact the facts mentioned in The Qur'an is way ahead of man made scientific discoveries.

2. Reflection of the law of cause of effect which says that every cause has an effect. Since man did not create himself or the universe, there has to be an intelligent cause behind it. Therefore I am 100% sure that there is a Creator and Sustainer who has got to have all the attributes of Perfection to be able to design, create and control such a great universe and all the multitude of creations within it.

 

[Mustafa2012]

From what I can see, both natural disasters (earthquakes etc) and diseases have causes that we can determine in physics, biology or the relevant science. Where there are gaps, it seems reasonable to expect they will one day be filled, as they have done in the past.

They may be a God, but even if there is I still don't see why we should attach moral significance to natural disasters.

For instance, you might obviously say that STDs such as syphilis are the judgement of God for too many sexual partners. But I would see it simply as a reflection of the fact that disease takes every opportunity to fill every niche, and every form of contact. Disease is morally blind. You might as well say that meningitis is a judgement on too many creches.

A great many diseases jumped species from animals many thousands of years ago, through close proximity with humans when we began farming. Many of our worst diseases are, to a large extent, the direct consequence of agriculture. As hunter gatherers we suffered from a fraction of the diseases we have now and widespread transmission was difficult.

That's not morality - it's a reflection of the natural laws of contagion.

Today, the highest death rates from disease or natural disasters are mostly connected with poverty. AIDS might damage a western society, but it wipes out African communities because of poverty. The Haiti earthquake killed vast numbers because of poor building construction and other factors of poverty or bad government.

Therefore, if you measure things by disasters, then it would seem that to be poor is to be immoral. That can't be right and it conflicts with religion in other ways as I'm sure you'll agree.

So, these events are not moral events.

Ok, I understand what you're saying and if you look at it from a logical position you could argue that natural disasters have no connection to morality.

You quote AIDS as an example that affects African communities than Western ones. Maybe you're not aware but there is a theory which has some validity that AIDS in Africa was spread via western medical teams passing it on to people in the disguise of vaccinations, in order to wipe out people in the region.

The reason we believe that natural disasters are a form of divine punishment is because in The Bible and Qur'an there is reference to these phenomena having a divine connection.

If someone really wanted to leave the work of a Divine Creator out of the equation, they could logically explain everything but there will come a point where some thing cannot be logically explained or make sense unless the action of a Divine Creator is taken into consideration.

 

[GodIsAll]

In my experience, atheists have a way of logically explaining just about everything.

However those who believe in religion and a Creator who rewards and punishes, usually believe that natural disasters are the work of The Creator and a sign.

Man seems to be figuring ways to do more and more things every day.

Do you think man will one day find a way to stop earthquakes, tornados, floods, disease, death etc. one day?

Boy I hope not...we've taken out too many limiting factors already.