Milan mosque 'to be closed down'

[Al-Zaara]

It's not like that at all.

And how is it then? Please enlighten us.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

And how is it then? Please enlighten us.

As I said before, the mosque is to small, people are praying in the streets, which is a major safety concern. Unless the mosque does something to prevent people form praying outside, it has to be shut down (or the prayers ticketed). The government has offered the Muslim community a temporary solution, that is the use of the stadium, until they've built a new mosque or upgraded the old one, if that is possible.
You can't expect the city authorities to lease the stadium for free, after all it is the nuslim community that failed provide sufficient premises for all of its followers.

 

[Fishman]

As I said before, the mosque is to small, people are praying in the streets, which is a major safety concern. Unless the mosque does something to prevent people form praying outside, it has to be shut down (or the prayers ticketed). The government has offered the Muslim community a temporary solution, that is the use of the stadium, until they've built a new mosque or upgraded the old one, if that is possible.
You can't expect the city authorities to lease the stadium for free, after all it is the nuslim community that failed provide sufficient premises for all of its followers.

But to do anything to stop people praying on the streets, it has to either expand, which the Lega Nord wouldn't allow, or stop people praying there, which is what the Lega Nord wants to do anyway. So basically, the Lega Nord wants to shut down the Mosque because they are bigots, not road saftey activists.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

But to do anything to stop people praying on the streets, it has to either expand, which the Lega Nord wouldn't allow, or stop people praying there, which is what the Lega Nord wants to do anyway. So basically, the Lega Nord wants to shut down the Mosque because they are bigots, not road saftey activists.

That's probably true, but legally speaking they've done nothing wrong.
Are you sure the League won't allow the mosque to be upgraded? Do they even have the authority for that? Perhaps the building can't be upgraded, after all it is based in a garage of some sort.

 

[Fishman]

That's probably true, but legally speaking they've done nothing wrong.
Are you sure the League won't allow the mosque to be upgraded? Do they even have the authority for that? Perhaps the building can't be upgraded, after all it is based in a garage of some sort.

Yeah, legally speaking they haven't done anything wrong, and don't need to, as they are in power and can make the law...

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't do that, given how the local populace is already annoyed that the Mosque has expanded before.

 

[Al-Zaara]

As I said before, the mosque is to small, people are praying in the streets, which is a major safety concern. Unless the mosque does something to prevent people form praying outside, it has to be shut down (or the prayers ticketed). The government has offered the Muslim community a temporary solution, that is the use of the stadium, until they've built a new mosque or upgraded the old one, if that is possible.
You can't expect the city authorities to lease the stadium for free, after all it is the nuslim community that failed provide sufficient premises for all of its followers.

But this is the problem I see. Why shut the whole mosque down? Can't they hire a few other locations at the same time as the mosque is open, in which the Muslims could help pay (the rent) together, instead of taking a ticket for every single Muslim wanting to go to pray and at the same time for only a limited amount of time? Take a rent for the time given to pray from the Muslim community, instead of each individual?

I know the money given would be almost the same in all those cases, but the situation is seen through a whole different light when it's many people paying together one thing (rent) instead of every man for himself, making it seem as if they are wanted to stop to pray altogether.

I hope I make sense.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

But this is the problem I see. Why shut the whole mosque down? Can't they hire a few other locations at the same time as the mosque is open, in which the Muslims could help pay (the rent) together, instead of taking a ticket for every single Muslim wanting to go to pray and at the same time for only a limited amount of time? Take a rent for the time given to pray from the Muslim community, instead of each individual?

I know the money given would be almost the same in all those cases, but the situation is seen through a whole different light when it's many people paying together one thing (rent) instead of every man for himself, making it seem as if they are wanted to stop to pray altogether.

I hope I make sense.

Yes, you make perfect sense, I think we can all agree that the league aren't exactly road safety activists as Fishman put it.
But I guess there are reasons why shut the whole mosque down, if it remains open, people will still prefer to pray there than in a stadium which might result in people praying in the street and this is what the league says they are trying to prevent.
Yeah, I said before leasing the stadium would be a much better solution. So far nothing is definite, there's only suggestions and political talk, the end agreement will probably be much different.

 

[Amadeus85]

In current Der Spiegel (german magazine) there is very good article about building new mosques in Europe.
The article points out that there is a difference between a mosque and a mega mosque.
A mega mosque has islamic kindergarten, islamic school, islamic restaurant, small islamic hospital, islamic bank,an islamic field for playing games, an islamic cinema.
All things made so that Arabs, Pakistanis or Turks remain isolated from the european societies. With all these things they wouldnt even have to try to learn the language.
And since we all agree that islam is not just a religion but also a political system and law, so allowing to build such mega mosques is simply creating islamic enclaves in the middle of Europe.
On the other hand muslims know that such behaviour is dangerous. They are wise indeed. Only Indonesia has closed few dozens churches in last year.

 

[Fishman]

In current Der Spiegel (german magazine) there is very good article about building new mosques in Europe.
The article points out that there is a difference between a mosque and a mega mosque.
A mega mosque has islamic kindergarten, islamic school, islamic restaurant, small islamic hospital, islamic bank,an islamic field for playing games, an islamic cinema.

Nope, a 'Mega-Mosque' is just something tabloids invent when they want to scare people. It's taken from the word 'mega church', used to refer to massive and (often politicised) churches that are found in America.

Of the things on your list:

• most Mosques (mega or otherwise) include some kind of Islamic school or 'kindergarten', but this does not usually replace secular education.
• Some large Mosques have fields or places to play sports in, which is meant to be a good thing as it discourages obesity.
• Some Mosques have a kitchen, which is used to keep or prepare food to be eaten on special occasions. These are from my experience messy places containing packets of old biscuits and flat coke.
• Given that worldly talk is forbidden in Mosques, Islamic banks are not often found there, I think putting banks in a Mosque is like how the Jews put a marketplace in the Temple of Jerusalem before Jesus (pbuh) smashed it.
• There are no such things as Islamic hospitals and Islamic cinemas, and if they do exist it is probably just a marketing ploy. They certainly don't exist in Mosques.

 

[highlander]

It really breaks my heart to see such controversy over a worship place. I hope there will be a way to solve this without creating even a bigger gap between the western society and ways and muslim ways
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As someone said before, maybe it would be possible to rent some place so that people dont pray on the streets.

It would be also good for the worshippers since Italy is not a warm climate( weather wise) all along the year and maybe it would be quite uncomfortable for people to pray in the rain/mud etc or simply in the cold.