Military History Lovers?

[Clover]

Also, remember, Hitler used (V2) rockets in the Battle of Britian, it wasn't just planes.

 

[Joe98]

The V1 and V2 rockets were used in the latter part of the war - not during the battle of Britain.

The V2 rockets should have been targeted at the allied trooops in Normandy - not at London

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[Clover]

The V1 and V2 rockets were used in the latter part of the war - not during the battle of Britain.

The V2 rockets should have been targeted at the allied trooops in Normandy - not at London

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You are right, and I am wrong...yet again. This constant barrage of wrongness is driving me insane.

"Almost 9,250 V1's were fired against London, but less than 2,500 reached their target. In flight they were almost as vulnerable as their ramps: about 2,000 were destroyed by anti-aircraft gunfire; 2,000 by fighter planes, and almost 300 by barrage balloons."- Source: http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/v1v2.htm

I am sorry for being wrong, I thank Joe for saving me from giving a man false.

Joe, we never did discuss a war, please name one, make it one thats not very popular, so we can discuss something new. If you'd like I could reccommend one, but only with your consent.

 

[ahsan28]

Hitler was a fool, he was a genius, but just like Karma states, he was also a insane man. He attacked Russia, under the illusion, that Stalin was preparing invasion, which of course, Stalin wasn't. If he had waited a year, and not attacked Russia so early, we might be speaking German, but thats my assumption.

True. If you like Rommel, please read North African compaign, especially battles of Gazala and Tobruk.

 

[Woodrow]

To name some little know wars and some awesome "Generals" I would like to throw in some of the Native Americans:

Sitting Bull (Real name Tatanka Iyotake ) (Hunkpapa Lakota Sioux)

Geronimo ( Chirachua Apache)

Crazy Horse (Real name Tashunca-uitco ) (Oglala/Lakota Sioux)

Those 3 were great planners and strategists.

For those with wisdom and compassion I nominate:

Prince Joseph (Nez Perce)

Being active among the Sioux I am very much interested in the Sioux leaders of the past. I spend a lot of time on and near Pine Ridge and often pass by some of the great battle sites and hear stories of the famous Chiefs.

 

[Clover]

To name some little know wars and some awesome "Generals" I would like to throw in some of the Native Americans:

Sitting Bull (Real name Tatanka Iyotake ) (Hunkpapa Lakota Sioux)

Geronimo ( Chirachua Apache)

Crazy Horse (Real name Tashunca-uitco ) (Oglala/Lakota Sioux)

Those 3 were great planners and strategists.

For those with wisdom and compassion I nominate:

Prince Joseph (Nez Perce)

Being active among the Sioux I am very much interested in the Sioux leaders of the past. I spend a lot of time on and near Pine Ridge and often pass by some of the great battle sites and hear stories of the famous Chiefs.

I read a book called Panther in the Sky, you should read it, its a great read about Tecumseh, and his family's impact on their tribe, and others.

 

[ardianto]

um, I guess these are questions to be answered by anyone?

Well, for one the English Channel (or so I hear) is very rough, and it was guarded by the English Navy (or what was left of the English Navy), and any ships spotted, would be attacked by the Royal Airforce, which was a powerful, elite, airforce.

Battle of Britian was a air campaign meant to intimidate the people of England into surrender. Hitler admired England, he said this many times, and he wanted peace with them, so he could focus on Russia, and if he got peace with them, it might help ease relations with America, since America & England were such great buddies at the time.

Yes, these were questions for anyone.
I have an assumption, altough Germany was very strengh on ground and in underwater (they had many U-boat), they had no enough landing ship / landing craft for attack England.
And, thank for your explaination about Battle of Britain. I never knew Hitler wanted peace with England.

 

[Muezzin]

Many great military strategists were not nice people or followed ideologies I despise. In modern times. I find Rommel to have been one of the greatest Generals, fortunately for us, Hitler misused him and wasted his abilities by placing him in North Africa, if he had headed the Western Front, history would be much different today and many of us would now be speaking German.

What do you think of Sun Tzu?

 

[Woodrow]

What do you think of Sun Tzu?

Sadly I am not all that familiar with him. I have been putting off reading his writing Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ (The Art of War).

Many military leaders, such as MacArthur used it as a guide for their strategies.

 

[~Raynn~]

To name some little know wars and some awesome "Generals" I would like to throw in some of the Native Americans:

Sitting Bull (Real name Tatanka Iyotake ) (Hunkpapa Lakota Sioux)

Geronimo ( Chirachua Apache)

Crazy Horse (Real name Tashunca-uitco ) (Oglala/Lakota Sioux)
Those 3 were great planners and strategists.

Being active among the Sioux I am very much interested in the Sioux leaders of the past. I spend a lot of time on and near Pine Ridge and often pass by some of the great battle sites and hear stories of the famous Chiefs.

oh: I remember learning briefly, in history a couple of years ago, about Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, and their role in the Battle of Little Bighorn...we'd looked at it mostly with the angle of Custer's mistakes; his failed signature three-prong attack, etc...:-[ I remember little else (but I'd love to hear more!)

 

[Zafran]

Salaam

although I'm not realy familar with Military history I believe that Nopolean Bonoparte was preety significant.
You also have Hanbal of Carthage.
Mehmed the second on Constaninople
The mongols in sheer military might - Genghis Khan

Ofcourse for Islam there is Saladin and Khlaed ibn Walead.

 

[Clover]

Salaam

although I'm not realy familar with Military history I believe that Nopolean Bonoparte was preety significant.
You also have Hanbal of Carthage.
Mehmed the second on Constaninople
The mongols in sheer military might - Genghis Khan

Ofcourse for Islam there is Saladin and Khlaed ibn Walead.

Well, you also have my favorites :

Philip (The One Eyed) of Macedonia: Alexander's Father, he, or I believe, did a lot more of the hard work, then Alexander, even though Alexander was a great leader, he wasn't completely a great leader, he had some bad obessions.

Pericles of Athens: Fought in the Peloponnessian Wars, great military commander.

Robert E Lee: Fought a force, much larger, much more prepared then his own, yet held his own for 4 years, and surrendered after being surrounded by Union forces.

Nathan B Forrest: Master of Guerrila Warfare, fought in my own state, famous for being the Grand Wizard of the KKK. (no I don't like the KKK, but he is famous for it)

Them are some of them.

 

[Zafran]

salaam

you also have Julies Ceaser - He was significant in conquering Gaul (France).

 

[Yanal]

Sorry I do not take interest in history as much in P.E. But I do know that Hitler was a bad guy whom killed many. But if I get that offer I would not take it up as a good choice.

 

[ardianto]

Sadly I am not all that familiar with him. I have been putting off reading his writing Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ (The Art of War).

Many military leaders, such as MacArthur used it as a guide for their strategies.

Not only in military. SunTzu's strategies and tactics are oftenly used in marketing.

 

[ahsan28]

I find Rommel to have been one of the greatest Generals

Even Winston Churchill was compelled to acknowledge about Rommel in these words:-

"We have a very daring and skillful opponent against us, and, may I say across the havoc of war, a great general."


British General Claude Auchinleck, one of Rommel's opponents in Africa, in a letter to his field commanders:-

"There exists a real danger that our friend Rommel is becoming a kind of magical or bogey-man to our troops, who are talking far too much about him. He is by no means a superman, although he is undoubtedly very energetic and able. Even if he were a superman, it would still be highly undesirable that our men should credit him with supernatural powers" and he ended the memo with the line "I am not jealous of Rommel."


Churchill again, on hearing of Rommel's death:

"He also deserves our respect, because, although a loyal German soldier, he came to hate Hitler and all his works, and took part in the conspiracy to rescue Germany by displacing the maniac and tyrant. For this, he paid the forfeit of his life."

 

[alcurad]

both Britain & Russia would have fallen to the Reich if not for Hitler believing rumors about secret weapons being developed by the Brits, and halting both invasions midway.

 

[ahsan28]

Hitler was preoccupied with the Russian front and many divisions of the German army were already committed to it. At that time, the priorities of reinforcements, replenishments and the air efforts were diverted fron North Africa to Russian front. Despite repeated calls made by Rommel for the urgent logistic suppiles and reinforcements, at the most critical stage of the compaign, he was not provided with what he needed.

Rommel was defeated due to logistic constraints, mainly due to ill-planning and rigidity on the part of Hitler :-[

 

[Zafran]

both Britain & Russia would have fallen to the Reich if not for Hitler believing rumors about secret weapons being developed by the Brits, and halting both invasions midway.

Salaam

I dont think that would have happend - The Russian weather played a big part and so did Hitlers obbsession of invading Russia - Hitlers Generals were shocked to fight on two fronts but Hitlers greed made him over confident that he could take out Russia easily. Which clearly was a mistake.

Hitler made a mistake in figting on two fronts and underestimating the Russians.

 

[Zafran]

Hitler was preoccupied with the Russian front and many divisions of the German army were already committed to it. At that time, the priorities of reinforcements, replenishments and the air efforts were diverted fron North Africa to Russian front. Despite repeated calls made by Rommel for the urgent logistic suppiles and reinforcements, at the most critical stage of the compaign, he was not provided with what he needed.

Rommel was defeated due to logistic constraints, mainly due to ill-planning and rigidity on the part of Hitler :-[

salaam

I agree this clearly shows Hitler lost it.......his obsession to take over Russia killed him at the end.