Mohamed Elibiary Wins An FBI Award

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boy ohh boy ! another topic to waste time fighting I am worried but I am enjoying this IB forum series

episode 2 is up will it pass the episode 20 mark ? :hmm:
 
as-salaamu alaykum

Allhamdullilah, that's understood but please, my brother, tell me how is that a slander and accusation? Allah has informed us about the traits of the hypocrites in the Qur'an and seerah of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) is full of examples. Whenever a calamity fell upon Muslims, the munafiqeen said "Allhamdulillah, we are saved because we were not extreme like these Muslims" or they worked with the kuffaar against Muslims. Please tell me how is that different from many of the munafiqeen of our time?

There's something called al wala wal bara in Islam and it's an essential part of Islamic belief. The Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) told us that Muslims are one ummah and it's like a body and if part of it gets hurt then the whole body feels the pain. And here we got these people who actually work with the kuffaar to rat-out "extremists" within the ummah.

May Allah keep us on haqq and guide us, ameen

How is it slander and an accusation? Brother if you don't know then i suggest you look deep inside your heart and work it out. If this person is seeking to eradicate extremism then good on him. We have to face up to the fact that innocent Muslims are being brainwashed into thinking its OK to strap a bomb and detonate it. No No and No, We need to stop this insanity and save our brothers and sisters from doing such barbaric acts.


Let it be known I hate the FBI and their practices as much as anyone here.
To hell with them
 
extremism bro?
you'd need to find sane people who could define the term before handing them the responsibility to arrest your brothers.
talk about hiring a ravenous fox to investigate the chicken coop - or the wolf to take the sheep out to graze!
the rand report (something the us government relies on) and contest 2 (something the uk government almost passed) speak volumes;

according to these delusional psychopaths - real muslims are "extremist muslims"
and disbelievers with muslim names are "moderate Muslims".


According to a draft of the strategy, Contest 2 as it is known in Whitehall, people would be considered as extremists if:
• They advocate a caliphate, a pan-Islamic state encompassing many countries.
• They promote Sharia law.
• They believe in jihad, or armed resistance, anywhere in the world. This would include armed resistance by Palestinians against the Israeli military.
• They argue that Islam bans homosexuality and that it is a sin against Allah.
• They fail to condemn the killing of British soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan.

In the December 2004 study, Rabasa (lead writer of the rand report) had suggested to exploit Sunni, Shiite and Arab, non-Arab divides to promote US policy objectives in the Muslim world. Echoing this theme, the latest report recommends reaching out to Muslim activists, leaders and intellectuals in non-Arab countries such as Turkey as well as in Southeast Asia and Europe.
The report recommends targeting five groups as potential building blocks for networks: liberal and secular Muslim academics and intellectuals; young moderate religious scholars; community activists; women’s groups engaged in gender equality campaigns; and moderate journalists and scholars.
The report warned that "moderate groups" can lose credibility–and therefore effectiveness–if U.S. support is too obvious.
Effective tactics that worked during the Cold War include having the groups led by "credible" individuals
and having the United States maintain some distance from the organizations it supports.
“This was done by not micro-managing the groups, but by giving them enough autonomy,” Rabasa said.“As long as certain guidelines were met, they were free to pursue their own activities.”
To help start this initiative, the report recommends working toward an international conference modeled in the Cold War-era Congress of Cultural Freedom, and then developing a standing organization to combat what it called radical Islamism.
The recent summit, termed the “Secular Islam Conference,” in St. Petersburg, Florida, almost coincided with the release of the latest Rand Report. A small group of self-proclaimed secular Muslims from North America and elsewhere gathered in St. Petersburg for what they billed a new global movement to correct the assumed wrongs of Islam and call for an “Islamic Reformation.”

The St. Petersburg conference, held on the sidelines of the Intelligence Summit, was carried live on (Islamophobe) Glenn Beck’s CNN show. Some of the organizers and speakers at the convention were well-known thanks to the media spotlight:
Irshad Manji, author of The Trouble With Islam,
and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the former Dutch parliamentarian and author of Infidel
were but a few there claiming to have suffered personally at the hands of “radical” Islam.

One participant, Wafa Sultan, declared on Glenn Beck’s show that

she doesn’t “see any difference between radical Islam and regular Islam.”

Other participants were the now public ex-Muslim Ibn Warraq and self-proclaimed ex-terrorist Tawfiq Hamid.

Surely, the “moderate” Muslim agenda is promoted because these ideas reflect a Western vision for the future of Islam.
Since the Sept. 11 attacks, everyone from high-ranking officials in the Bush administration
to anti-Islam authors have prescribed a preferred remedy for Islam: reform the faith.
The Rand Reports about Islam appear to be part of a grand strategy to
“change the face of Islam” as revealed by US News and World Report on April 15, 2005.
The report entitled Hearts, Minds, and Dollars:
In an Unseen Front in the War on Terrorism, America is Spending Millions…To Change the Very Face of Islam–reads:

“From military psychological-operations teams and CIA covert operatives to openly-funded media and think tanks, Washington is plowing tens of millions of dollars into a campaign to influence not only Muslim societies but Islam itself.”

According to the well-planned leaks to US News and World Report,
this strategy for the first time stated that the United States has a national security interest in influencing what happens within Islam.
The report also confirmed that it is, in fact, the US which has been funding an American version of Islam, called “Moderate Islam.”
The Rand reports try to create a fictitious vision of Muslims and of Islam, where it is antihuman, uncreative, authoritarian, and intrinsically against Western societies. It is an ethnocentric view of Islam that dominates current representations of Islam that are reductive, predominantly negative, and encouraging a culture of Islamophobia.


O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you.
They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse.
We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.
Quran 3:118


 
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as-salaamu alaykum

It's clear from many posts that you people don't understand al wala wal bara and have forgotten many innocent Muslims who have been prisoned by FBI.

Let more of us join FBI to help them capture extremist jihadis in Muslim communities: http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134308831-fbi-teaches-prophet-mohammed-cult-leader.html

Are you still going to defend these munafiqeen who have joined the kuffaar ranks and helping them in their war against Islam & Muslims?
 
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as-salaamu alaykum

It's clear from many posts that you people don't understand al wala wal bara and have forgotten many innocent Muslims who have been prisoned by FBI.

Let more of us join FBI to help them capture extremist jihadis in Muslim communities: http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134308831-fbi-teaches-prophet-mohammed-cult-leader.html

Are you still going to defend these munafiqeen who have joined the kuffaar ranks and helping them in their war against Islam & Muslims?

:wa:

You made accusations that the Muslim working for the FBI has been spying and imprisoning innocent Muslims. Do you actually have evidence for this?
 
the fbi has been framing young Muslims and encouraging them to commit anti-Islamic acts which they then attribute to Islam - and he is working with them and perpetuating the fake Muslim threat

this example in the Prophet (pbuh)'s lifetime should explain much:

the Prophet (pbuh) sent 'Abdullah b. Jash b. Ri'ab al-Asadi in Rajab on his return from the first Badr. He sent with him eight to twelve emigrants, without any of the Ansar.
He wrote for them a letter, and ordered them not to look at it until he had journeyed for two days, and to do what he was ordered to do, but not to put pressure on any of his companions.
they were to raid a caravan between Makkah and Taif which belonged to Makkans who had tortured them, murdered their companions, and caused them to leave their property behind to flee persecution for the sake of religion.
he asked the companions if they were willing - and that any who would go back could do so - it was a pledge for facing death in hostile territory. They all volunteered.
Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqas and Utbah ibn Ghazwan lost a camel that they were taking turns to ride. The camel strayed and went to Buhran, so they went out looking for the runaway camel to Buhran and fell behind the group.
by the time they got to their destination - the sacred month had dawned - and the caravan would have reached the sacred precincts the next day,
so they discussed the matter and decided to go by their intentions with which they had set out and attack before the caravan reached the sacred precincts.
they took booty and prisoners and triumphantly brought them back to medina, the Prophet and the other companions scolded them and the Prophet is reported to have said:
i did not tell you to attack them in the sacred month - and he refused to take his share of spoils - the group were really dismayed - they had gone out in the way of Allah, risked their lives in dangerous territory - and now the Prophet was refusing to take his share.
The Makkans siezed this opportunity and began broadcasting it all over Arabia -
"see! Muhammad and his companions don't even respect the sacred months"
they were sending people to spread it all over the place (fox news style) and the companions who took part were really feeling down due to criticism even from their own people.

when opinions had been sifted and the hearts of the believers had been tried, the verses descended:
"They ask you concerning fighting in the sacred months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar).
Say, ‘Fighting therein is an enormity (transgression)
and it is also enormous to prevent and turn away mankind from following the way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-Al-Harâm (the sacred mosque), and to drive out its inhabitants, and tribulation and persecution (
Al-Fitnah) is greater (wrong) than fighting.
Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.
Those who believed and those who suffered exile and fought (and strove and struggled) in the path of Allah,- they have the hope of the Mercy of Allah. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran 2:217-218

the Muslims rejoiced and the Prophet took his share of the booty, and the companions who took part were finally relieved.
the makkans sent an envoy to get their prisoners released and the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: "not until my two companions who were left behind return as i fear you may kill them,
so when they returned - he released the prisoners.

there are many lessons to be learned from this event.
the ones who were claiming moral high ground due to small isolated mistakes are the ones who engaged in the worst types of atrocities and deceit.
many of the Muslims - rather than see the enormity of the torture and looting and murder of Quraish, and persecution for faith,
took to accusing their companions who had made a genuine mistake which they regretted.
Allah made it clear that it was wrong - and that what the disbelievers had done was unspeakable.
ie. put it in context.

i am not saying a Muslim should condone acts expressly forbidden by Islam which are used to smear the image of Islam.
i am saying - put it in context and condemn both - let people judge for themselves what's really wrong.

these apologists are magnifying wrongdoings of youths whom they themselves play an active part in misguiding
and overlooking the enormous atrocities being committed in the name of manufactured "terror".
that is deception and covering up of facts.
that IS hypocrisy

what would you say if an Israelite had got a job as a spy for pharaoh to "catch terrorists among the Israelites"?
i would assume it was a total load of rubbish as Pharaoh was the biggest criminal on earth - and would obviously target dissidents and attempt to curtail free speech. he was a proven enemy to the whole faith.

30. We did deliver aforetime the Children of Israel from humiliating Punishment,
31. Inflicted by Pharaoh, for he was arrogant (even) among inordinate transgressors.
(Quran 44:31)

here's a good example of how it's done:

 
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they don't need to encourage them I have known them to just go knocking on doors to harass, intimidate and frame Muslims and often times hold them without any charges or trials.. They've already labeled us with a crime the crime of being 'Muslim' so if we're not committing it we're thinking it or sympathizing and that in their book = to guilt and worthy of torture and death!
hey it is weaved in our very fabric by out 'cult leader'
 
I think about all it explains is that your answer to Tragic Typos' question is "no".
The FBI doesn't make their classified files open to the public.. the answer is in fact a given & not by a long stretch of the imagination.. what else is he being given the award for? Sandwich of the year?
 
I think about all it explains is that your answer to Tragic Typos' question is "no".
btw - i agree with much of what tragic typos says on this forum and we are arguing a point with respect - let's not bring names into this and make it look like a fight between us - thereby obfuscating the point of the topic.
it's not about left or right - it's about right and wrong
 
:wa:

You made accusations that the Muslim working for the FBI has been spying and imprisoning innocent Muslims. Do you actually have evidence for this?
wa'alaykum as-salaam

I didn't say that he's imprisoning Muslims - you're putting words in my mouth; I said he was helping them to do that. But FBI is spying & imprisoning innocent Muslims and he's part of it so indirectly you could say he is. He's part of this committee who's specifically targeting 'extreme' Muslims in the community and imprisoning them. He got an award for it. How do you think FBI catches people if not by spying: tapping phones, keeping track of what person is doing and where he goes etc? Do they have a weekly stall/booth in streets where they're shouting with microphones "whoever is a jihadi extremist, please report yourself here"? They have banned many Muslims from travelling and sudden raids on houses of many Muslims because they travelled to a certain Muslim country or they distributed jihadi material - the examples are too many to list.

What kind of more proof do you want? The description and nature of his job is self explanatory! How do you think he was doing his job if it wasn't by helping them in spying? Or was he getting volunteers who wanted to go to prison for being a 'jihadis/Islamists'? In fact, the website he started to write for, muslimmatters, one of their leaders there testified/spoke out against brother Tarek Mehnna, who has been unjustly imprisoned for almost two years now. One of the charges against brother Tarek is that he used to translate material from Arabic to English and he gave 'false' information in his Q&A with FBI.

We are not even allowed to be suspicious about other Muslims let alone spy on them or even worse join the ranks of a kafir organization, who's specifically dedicated to pin down innocent Muslims and at war with Islam & Muslims, and help them. It's not about that Muslims can't be criminals, it's more about loyalty and disposition.

Now that the FBI's criminal minds are publicized, what are you going to say about a person who joins them? Is he not a munafiq? Do you think M Elibiary will give up his new medal and job? I highly doubt it, they will come up with excuses just to appease their masters.
 
wa'alaykum as-salaam

:wa:

I said he was helping them to do that.

So your claim is that he is helping to spy and imprison innocent Muslims. Understand now.

But FBI is spying & imprisoning innocent Muslims and he's part of it so indirectly you could say he is.

I'm not sure what you mean by indirect. Can you give me an example?

How do you think FBI catches people if not by spying: tapping phones, keeping track of what person is doing and where he goes etc?

I have no idea. Your asking the wrong person.

Do they have a weekly stall/booth in streets where they're shouting with microphones "whoever is a jihadi extremist, please report yourself here"?

I doubt it.

What kind of more proof do you want?

I want evidence that this man has been helping the FBI spying and imprisoning innocent Muslims. I want specific examples.

The description and nature of his job is self explanatory!

To prevent terrorism? That's his job.

How do you think he was doing his job if it wasn't by helping them in spying?

No point asking me. I have no idea how these FBI agents operate.

Or was he getting volunteers who wanted to go to prison for being a 'jihadis/Islamists'?

I doubt it.

In fact, the website he started to write for, muslimmatters, one of their leaders there testified/spoke out against brother Tarek Mehnna, who has been unjustly imprisoned for almost two years now. One of the charges against brother Tarek is that he used to translate material from Arabic to English and he gave 'false' information in his Q&A with FBI.

I never heard of the website. What is it about?

So because he writes for a website, that mean he automatically supports the imprisonment of Tarek Mehnna.

We are not even allowed to be suspicious about other Muslims

Unless there is evidence to support those suspicions. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Now that the FBI's criminal minds are publicized, what are you going to say about a person who joins them? Is he not a munafiq? Do you think M Elibiary will give up his new medal and job? I highly doubt it, they will come up with excuses just to appease their masters.

I'm not going to label anyone munafiq. Not going to take this risk. The FBI carries out a range of activities, not just specifically focusing on terrorism/Muslims/Islam, so I personally will not brush all those that work within the FBI with the same brush. I don't know much about their activities nor how they exactly carry them out. That all remains a mystery to me.

I have tried to read your post very carefully. I have yet to see evidence of this man involved in helping the FBI by spying and imprisoning an innocent Muslim. If you can, I want you to present an example that this man has been helping the FBI by spying and imprisoning an innocent Muslim.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by indirect. Can you give me an example?


sister tragic typos - here is what they use against people on the other side:
think:

Aiding and abetting is an additional provision in United States criminal law, for situations where it cannot be shown the party personally carried out the criminal offense, but where another person may have carried out the illegal act(s) as an agent of the charged, working together with or under the direction of the charged party, who is an accessory to the crime. Internationally, it is comparable to other laws governing the actions of accessories, including the similar provision in England and Wales under the Accessories and Abettors Act 1861.

The first United States statute dealing with accessory liability was passed in 1790, and made criminally liable those who should aid and assist, procure, command, counsel or advise murder or robbery on land or sea, or piracy at sea. (iraq war and continued occupation, looting and every single murder committed by them there is illegal) This was broadened in 1870, to include any felony, and by it an accessory was anyone who counsels, advises or procures the crime.

Those before them did (also) devise plots;
but in all things the master- planning is Allah's .
He knows the doings of every soul: and soon will the Unbelievers know who gets home in the end.
Quran 13:42


........The Law Maker - the RULER made the rules..............
and Satan only plays a small part in that to test you -

Do they not look at the birds, held poised in the midst of (the air and) the sky?
Nothing holds them up but (the power of) God.
Verily in this are signs for those who believe.
Quran 16:79


33. O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!
Quran 55:33

And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
56. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
57. "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."
58. "This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."
59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
60. The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.



Can he who was dead, to whom We gave life, and a light whereby he can walk amongst men, be like him who is in the depths of darkness, from which he can never come out? Thus to those without faith their own deeds seem pleasing.
123. Thus have We placed leaders in every town, its wicked men, to plot (and burrow) therein: but they only plot against their own souls, and they perceive it not.
124. When there comes to them a sign (from Allah., They say: "We shall not believe until we receive one (exactly) like those received by Allah.s apostles." Allah knoweth best where (and how) to carry out His mission. Soon will the wicked be overtaken by humiliation before Allah, and a severe punishment, for all their plots.
125. Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
126. This is the way of thy Lord, leading straight: We have detailed the signs for those who receive admonition.
127. For them will be a home of peace in the presence of their Lord: He will be their friend, because they practised (righteousness).


Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost:
for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds.
Quran 47:35
 
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^ Ah...how exactly does that explain how this man is indirectly helping the FBI to spy and imprison innocent Muslims?
 
By giving intelligence to criminal organisations?
 
Who says these Muslims are innocent?

Nobody. It's just the standard denial assumption that all muslims convicted of terrorism must be innocent victims of set ups or 'false flag' incidents perpetrated by the evil Zionists ruling the world.
 
Who says these Muslims are innocent?
I don't expect much from you because you're a kafir, may Allah guide you. Who says that these Muslims are criminals? What's the criteria to call out that this or that Muslims is an "extremist jihadi". So because I believe in jihad, I'm an extremist and hence should be imprisoned? heck even according to their new criteria anyone who believes in Prophet Muhammad (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) and devoted, believes in Shari'ah, prays his five times daily salah, fasts, goes to hajj etc., is a potential extremists, hence criminal. What about Tarek Mehanna, Babber Ahmed, Afifa Sidiqque, Shaykh Ali al-Tamimi, the guantanamo bay - thousands of Muslims have been falsely charged & imprisoned, some without even charges and some are being harasses just because they travelled to a Muslim country.

You have to be utterly blind if you can't realize this. And it gets even worse when you believe that every Muslim on the street is thinking about strapping a bomb & blowing up himself, just because a minority is fed up with attitude of people like you within Muslims and they go to other extreme. You people talk about criminals, how many Muslims have blowen themselves up in the West? So a person is deemed as a criminal because he's fed up with your thug leaders' oppression and occupation in Muslim lands and he has hayah and geerah for his deen and his people and then he goes there to defend that or uses means to help them? Like the saying goes "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist".

Last I checked, like a month ago there were loot by your own people in England and innocent Muslims were martyred. And couple of weeks before that a Christian nut blew up a kids' camp in Norway.

@Tragic typos

brother, I'm not going to beat around the bush with you. My previous replies answer your questions. If you're a new to Islam or newly practising I would suggest you stay away from these discussions because it seems you lack very basic knowledge about al wala wal bara.
 
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I forgot to add:

How many of the western terrorists/extremists, who want to blow up the mosques, tried to accomplish it and vandalized them, have western agencies caught? How many of the EDL guys during looting in England have been imprisoned for lifetime for trying to kill Muslims? How many of the extremists who encouraged Christian nut in Norway have been charged and caught?

I pray to Allah that more of your pigs and thugs die in Iraq, Afghanistan & wherever you are oppressing people and may Allah give victory to righteous people and help them raise the flag of Islam. You guys can try your utmost best to create hatred against Islam & Muslims and try to eliminate Islam but too bad for you guys that Islam is continuing to grow and believers will taste the sweet victory. You guys are just angry that despite all your efforts, your own people are becoming Muslim. Wa allhamdulillah, Islam is now even growing in the land of bikinis!

More nonsense: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...curity-advisory-council-muslim-patriot-islam/

When will these munafiqeen understand that Islam and patriotism to a nation state are contradiction and oppose the very definition of being a Muslim. Specially when you are patriotic a state which is plundering, pledging and rapping Muslim lands, lives and wealth.
 
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