Mohamed Elibiary Wins An FBI Award

[Ramadhan]

Nobody. It's just the standard denial assumption that all muslims convicted of terrorism must be innocent victims of set ups or 'false flag' incidents perpetrated by the evil Zionists ruling the world.

since you seem to know so much about this FBI operation, can you please tell us the names of muslims who were turned in by this mole and convicted guilty by any court of justice?

 

[Amat Allah]

For Allah`s sake stop fighting, you are brothers; O Sons of The Ummah of The Master of Humanity; Muhammad Bin Abdillah (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him).

laa hawla wa la qowata illa bellah wa inna lellahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon.

laa ilaha illa Allah.

 

[GuestFellow]

By giving intelligence to criminal organisations?

How is the FBI a criminal organisation? What are the criminal objectives of the FBI? Please present evidence for this. These are the following issues that the FBI deals with:

1. Terrorism
2. Counterintelligence
3. Cyber crime
4. Public corruption
5. Civil rights
6. Organised crime
7. White-collar crime
8. Violence crime and major thefts

Spies. Terrorists. Hackers. Pedophiles. Mobsters. Gang leaders and serial killers. We investigate them all, and many more besides.

The very heart of FBI operations lies in our investigations—which serve, as our mission states, "to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats and to enforce the criminal laws of the United States." We currently have jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal law, and you can find the major ones below, grouped within our three national security priorities and our five criminal priorities. Also visit our Intelligence program site, which underpins and informs all our investigative programs.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/what_we_investigate


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It does not appear to be a criminal organisation.

Anyway, what kind of intelligence has he been giving to the FBI? What has it got to do with spying and imprisoning innocent Muslim? Just name me one case that involves spying and imprisoning an innocent Muslim by this man. This is all I'm asking for. Present evidence as well. So far, to me, it does not appear you know much about this man, other than he works for the FBI.

 

[GuestFellow]

For Allah`s sake stop fighting, you are brothers; O Sons of The Ummah of The Master of Humanity; Muhammad Bin Abdillah (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him).

laa hawla wa la qowata illa bellah wa inna lellahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon.

laa ilaha illa Allah.

There is no fighting. We are just having a friendly discussion.

 

[Trumble]

since you seem to know so much about this FBI operation, can you please tell us the names of muslims who were turned in by this mole and convicted guilty by any court of justice?

I don't know anything about it. But then neither do you, and neither does anyone else here jumping to condemn this man on the basis of nothing but their own prejudices and assumptions. Could you please tell us how you know he was/is a 'mole'? There's nothing about that in the citation.

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Exactly. No one knows much about this man other than he works for the FBI and received an award. You can speculate what he has done but no one truly knows for sure.

@Tragic typos

brother, I'm not going to beat around the bush with you. My previous replies answer your questions. If you're a new to Islam or newly practising I would suggest you stay away from these discussions because it seems you lack very basic knowledge about al wala wal bara.

You have not answered my questions. You cannot name one case that this man has been spying and imprisoning innocent Muslims. All it takes is to name one case and then hopefully this discussion can be brought to an end.

 

[MSalman]

I don't know anything about it.

Then what was point of your straw man in your earlier post? It clearly showed you know that some Muslims were criminals. Yet now you admit you don't know any.

But then neither do you and neither does anyone else here

yes we do to a certain extent...according to FBI, every Muslim is a potential criminal and we have read many of their charges against Muslims.

jumping to condemn this man on the basis of nothing but their own prejudices and assumptions.

what predujice and assumption!!? We are condemning him from Islamic perspective for joining the rank of an enemy organization and working with them against Muslims. Since you're not a Muslim, you wouldn't understand it neither you should bother to comment on it and label it as assumptions and prejudice.

Could you please tell us how you know he was/is a 'mole'? There's nothing about that in the citation.

He was working in a department who's specifically responsible for finding Muslim terrorists. And we all know how they find those terrorists. He was awarded for helping them greatly. The conclusion is pretty obvious but blinded ones will never admit it.

How is the FBI a criminal organisation?

I don't think that's what brother meant. I think He was trying to say that he was providing FBI intelligence against Muslim 'criminal' oragnisation. And subhaanAllah, how can you even try to defend that FBI itself isn't a criminal despite being a Muslim!! Are they not criminals for calling beloved Prophet of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) a cult leader? Are they not criminals for imprisoning innocent Muslims, harassing them, and trying to set up some Muslims? Are they not criminals for supporting a war against Islam and Muslims?

My brother, I advised you before to not to participate in this discussion for your own benefit. Please stop and don't burden your soul with something it cannot bear. Be watchful of what you say and fear Allah that you'll be questioned about what you write.

Anyway, what kind of intelligence has he been giving to the FBI?

the intelligence for which he has been given the award for, do we really have to repeat this over and over again:

The award is presented to private citizens who selflessly dedicate their time and service to assist the FBI in uncovering criminal activity.

Mr. Elibiary, of Dallas, Texas, was selected as a result of his extraordinary contributions to specific cases in support of the FBI’s counterterrorism mission. He has also been a consensus builder between the national Islamic community and the numerous agencies dedicated to the prevention of terrorism.

Defintion of criminal activity according to FBI: anyone who believes in Prophet Muhammad (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) and is a devoted Muslim.

How does FBI uncovers criminal activity, evidence from cases of previously captured: spying by keeping track of people's travelling routes, tapping phones etc.,. Other method is reporting people within the community who have 'extreme' Islamic views.

Please go study the case of Tarek Mehnna and you will know what I'm talking about!

Just name me one case that involves spying and imprisoning an innocent Muslim by this man.

If the above still doesn't help you to make the connection, then may Allah help you. And when FBI will realize these specific details, we will show you.

other than he works for the FBI.

and to you that's not a problem?

 

[Ramadhan]

I don't know anything about it. But then neither do you, and neither does anyone else here jumping to condemn this man on the basis of nothing but their own prejudices and assumptions. Could you please tell us how you know he was/is a 'mole'? There's nothing about that in the citation.

I don't either and that's why I asked you because of your statement:

It's just the standard denial assumption that all muslims convicted of terrorism must be innocent victims of set ups or 'false flag' incidents perpetrated by the evil Zionists ruling the world.

and hence I assumed you know that some muslims have been convicted of terrorism as a result of the aid of Mohamad elibiary to FBI. We are still in this thread, no?

As for being "mole", look again at the article, the prize is presented by "Society of Former Special Agents". You may not want to call that type of work as being mole, and I understand that you are here only to argue, but I classify that kind of intelligence data gathering as being "mole" "spook" or whatever you want to call it.
If you still want to argue, consider this: there is also no such thing as "mole" at CIA, they are called "analysts", and I personally know some of them (from the time they worked in Indonesia).

Also, you may want to read the discussion carefully next time as I never did condemn this man.

 

[Trumble]

Then what was point of your straw man in your earlier post? It clearly showed you know that some Muslims were criminals. Yet now you admit you don't know any.

There was no strawman, and the post 'clearly showed' no such thing. I can only suggest you re-read it.

As for being "mole", look again at the article, the prize is presented by "Society of Former Special Agents". You may not want to call that type of work as being mole, and I understand that you are here only to argue, but I classify that kind of intelligence data gathering as being "mole" "spook" or whatever you want to call it.
If you still want to argue, consider this: there is also no such thing as "mole" at CIA, they are called "analysts", and I personally know some of them (from the time they worked in Indonesia).

I suggest you 'look again' at an English dictionary. A 'mole' is a totally different thing from an intelligence analyst, and it's meaning is quite specific in the context. There is nothing in the citation suggesting, that Mr Elibiary was/is either of those things.

 

[GuestFellow]

I don't think that's what brother meant. I think He was trying to say that he was providing FBI intelligence against Muslim 'criminal' oragnisation.

Okay.

And subhaanAllah, how can you even try to defend that FBI itself isn't a criminal despite being a Muslim!! Are they not criminals for calling beloved Prophet of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) a cult leader? Are they not criminals for imprisoning innocent Muslims, harassing them, and trying to set up some Muslims? Are they not criminals for supporting a war against Islam and Muslims?

I'm not defending/supporting the FBI. I just think people should provide evidence for the statements that they make. I'm not a fan of rhetoric.

My brother, I advised you before to not to participate in this discussion for your own benefit. Please stop and don't burden your soul with something it cannot bear. Be watchful of what you say and fear Allah that you'll be questioned about what you write.

I'm fine.

the intelligence for which he has been given the award for, do we really have to repeat this over and over again:

He received an award for assisting the FBI uncovering criminal activity. What about it?

Defintion of criminal activity according to FBI: anyone who believes in Prophet Muhammad (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) and is a devoted Muslim.

Where did you read that?

Please go study the case of Tarek Mehnna and you will know what I'm talking about!

Was Mohamed Elibiary involved in this case? Did he spy and imprison this innocent Muslim? If so, present this evidence and our discussion is over.

and to you that's not a problem?

Not necessarily.

 

[جوري]

alot of contradictory views on this guy on the web.. of course the scum who hired him don't seem to like him even with all that boot licking.. either way this is what I found about him:
[h=1]Mohamed Elibiary – The Muslim who supports John McCain[/h] ► Retweet

• Author: MR
• Filed under: America, Christianity, Elections, Iraq, Islam, Israel, Jews, Palestine, Politics, Religion, Terrorism
• Date: Jul 3,2008 | 05:38 PM

Are you serious MR? No way!? A Muslim who supports McCain!? A Muslim who wants 100 more years in Iraq? A Muslim who want’s America to become a Christian Nation!? A Muslim!? Are you sure?
Yes I am! In fact he blogs at MuslimMatters.org under the name ‘hamada’. His recent blog post contained a video from FOX News in which he was shedding light on the Obama-Hijabi issue. I never thought Muslims for McCain existed. With all of the bad and negative aspects of Barack Obama, it is clear that in terms of Muslim blood, John McCain is much worse. Not only in that, the Jews love McCain. Especially the Zionists and AIPAC. Joe Lieberman, the former Democrat now Independent (soon to be Republican) is AIPAC’s trump card in Politics. This guy is seen with McCain in Iraq even correcting him on which country is supporting the resistance in Iraq. He is also took McCain on a tour in Israel. They also hooked up in DC.
It’s a shame that such a public Muslim figure as Mohammed Elibiary supports another terrorist who lies, has anger issues, want’s 100 years more in Iraq, doesn’t care about war, wants to increase the US military size, etc. Any Muslim who supports John McCain is like supporting 10 more Iraq wars, a couple thousand more Palestinian homes demolished, an increase of anti-Islam sentiment in America and a pro-Chrisitian-Judeo state religion.
This is not a pro-Obama post either. Obama has said that he may attack Pakistan and increase troops in Afghanistan. He also kiss’s Israel’s you know what, even though most Jews and Zionist are with McCain. Obama is bad, but not as bad as McCain.
I think Muslims that can actually make a difference in swing states such as Ohio, Florida or Texas should go out there and vote. Why? Once they see Muslims can be a major factor in elections, they’ll start coming to us begging us for our votes just like they do with the Jews, Christians, Blacks and Hispanics.
http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2008/07/03/mohamed-elibiary-the-muslim-john-mccain-supporter/

 

[Ramadhan]

I suggest you 'look again' at an English dictionary. A 'mole' is a totally different thing from an intelligence analyst, and it's meaning is quite specific in the context. There is nothing in the citation suggesting, that Mr Elibiary was/is either of those things.

Are you suggesting that the muslim communities where Elibiary involved himself to collect data for FBI actually did know that Elibiary worked for FBI?
Because if they didn't, then it would have made him a mole/spook.

spooknoun2. (U.S. informal) spy, secret agent, double agent, secret service agent, undercover agent, mole, foreign agent, fifth columnist, nark (Brit., Austral., & N.Z. slang) a U.S. intelligence spook

 

[FS123]

^you find nothing wrong with helping the kuffaar to spy on Muslims, unjustly throw them in prisons using their own stick yard of "genuin criminal activity" such as translating Arabic text, distributing material related to jihad, travelling to a Muslim country to study Islam etc etc? There's an open war going against Islam & Muslims and you find nothing wrong with these munafiqeen who help them in their war?

“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah as witnesses to fair dealings and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is next to piety. Fear Allah, indeed Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (5:8)

“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even if it be against yourselves, your parents, and your relatives, or whether it is against the rich or the poor...” (Quran 4:135)

 

[FS123]

Nobody. It's just the standard denial assumption that all muslims convicted of terrorism must be innocent victims of set ups or 'false flag' incidents perpetrated by the evil Zionists ruling the world.

Pot is calling the kettle black.

 

[Abz2000]

look guys - we are arguing about simple facts - the guy is helping to demonize muslims as extremists even if they oppose illegal occupation of sovereign nations

and yes - they are a criminal organisation involved in framing innocent people:

scroll to 3 mins if you're rushing:

The FBI is obviously quite pleased with itself over its arrest of a 19-year-old Somali-American, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, who -- with months of encouragement, support and money from the FBI's own undercover agents -- allegedly attempted to detonate a bomb at a crowded Christmas event in Portland, Oregon.

But it may also just as easily be the case that the FBI -- as they've done many times in the past -- found some very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner; created a plot it then persuaded/manipulated/entrapped him to join, essentially turning him into a Terrorist; and then patted itself on the back once it arrested him for having thwarted a "Terrorist plot" which, from start to finish, was entirely the FBI's own concoction. Having stopped a plot which it itself manufactured, the FBI then publicly touts -- and an uncritical media amplifies -- its "success" to the world, thus proving both that domestic Terrorism from Muslims is a serious threat and the Government's vast surveillance powers -- current and future new ones -- are necessary.

Continue to article: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/28/fbi

here's another:

Clueless Patsy Set-up by FBI in Christmas Tree Bombing Plot

They not only hate us for our freedom, but also for our Christmas trees – or at least that’s what the FBI and cops in Oregon would have you believe.
http://www.infowars.com/clueless-patsy-set-up-by-fbi-in-christmas-tree-bombing-plot/

The Prophet was making preparations for the attack on Makkah, when one of his Companions, Hatib ibn Abi Balta'ah sent a letter through a woman to the authorities in Makkah informing them about the impending attack. The Prophet came to know of this through a Divine inspiration. He ordered 'Ali and Zubayr: "Go quickly on the route to Makkah, at such and such a place, you will find a woman carrying a letter. Recover the letter from her and bring it to me." So they went and found the woman exactly where the Prophet had said. They recovered the letter from her and brought it to the Prophet. This was indeed a clear case of treachery. To inform the enemy about a secret of an army and that too at the time of a war is a very serious offence tantamount to treachery. In fact one cannot think of a more serious crime during war than giving out a military secret to one's enemy. What could have been a more suitable case for a secret hearing; a military secret had been betrayed and common sense demanded that he should be tried in camera. But the Prophet summoned Hatib to the open court of the Mosque of the Prophet and in the presence of hundreds of people asked him to explain his position with regard to his letter addressed to the leaders of Quraysh which had been intercepted on its way. The accused said: "O God's Messenger (may God's blessings be on you) I have not revolted against Islam, nor have I done this with the intention of betraying a military secret. The truth of the matter is that my wife and children are living in Makkah and I do not have my tribe to protect them there. I had written this letter so that the leaders of Quraysh may be indebted to me and may protect my wife and children out of gratitude." 'Umar rose and respect- fully submitted: "O Prophet, please permit me to put this traitor to the sword." The Prophet replied: "He is one of those people who had participated in the Battle of Badr, and maybe Allah has said: i have forgiven you, and the explanation he has advanced in his defence would seem to be correct (/sincere)."
Let us look at this decision of the Prophet in perspective. It was a clear case of treachery and betrayal of military secrets. But the Prophet acquitted Hatib on two counts. Firstly, that his past records were very clean and showed that he could not have betrayed the cause of Islam, since on the occasion of the Battle of Badr when there were heavy odds against the Muslims, he had risked his life for them. Secondly, his family was in fact in danger at Makkah. Therefore, if he had shown some human weakness for his children and written this letter, then this punishment was quite sufficient for him that his secret offence was divulged in public and he had been disgraced and humiliated in the eyes of the believers.

you'll see how he briefs them on how to deter people from jihad (legitimate struggle) via convincing them that they have a muslim duty to their families, whereas he doesn't even mention convincing u.s mercenaries to not leave their families and go to an illegal war. he perpetuates the notion that Muslims are essentially pro-terrorist even if they're pro-resistance, he dulls the lines clearly in this video:

especially the end part.

do you know what they do to people who are exposing their CRIMINAL activities?

 

[Tyrion]

If anyone is interested, here's an article that he just posted on Muslim Matters.

EDIT: Also, I wanted to ask abz... Why is it that a good 90% of your posts are just copy&paste jobs with videos and articles? Could you maybe sum up what you want us to take from them in your own words?

 

[Ramadhan]

This strategy by FBI to use a muslim to spy on other muslims for suspected criminal activity gives me an idea.

Why not also employ a jewish financier to get involved maybe in some stinky rich jews enclaves in Palm beach, upper east side and the hamptons and collect intelligence data on suspected financial criminal activities so we can prevent another madoff financial terrorism or any other financial meltdowns/crises/bankruptcies that have cleaned up public finances trillions of dollars.

I'm sure the estemeed members who have posted in this thread supporting FBI-employed elbiary will undoubtedly get enthusiastic as this is a fantatsic way to prevent crimes.

 

[Abz2000]

they're not just my point of view that i post and i like to back up what is say.
i've mentioned it before.......

8. Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah, without Knowledge, without Guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment,-
9. (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah. for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).
Quran 22:8-9

that derailed the thread so i cut it off- see if the facts make sense.

 

[MSalman]

If anyone is interested, here's an article that he just posted on Muslim Matters.

And he was refuted here accordingly.

 

[جوري]

And he was refuted here accordingly.

Say I noticed one of the brothers on that forum somehow acquired our latest avy

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