More American veterans committing suicide than dieing in Iraq

[Woodrow]

what he does over there (help vs oppress) will show how he will behave when he comes home (be happy or kill his family). My job is to pray for my brothers and sisters that are being oppressed and occupied and Allah take care of those who have done injustice there. Whether your husband is one of them or not depends on him and his actions there.

Actually very good words to ponder over. Like with all people each must be seen on an individual basis and not condemned on the basis of some. There are American soldiers in Iraq with a sincere desire to help the Iraqi people and there are some with a strong desire to harm the Iraqi people.

Very few if any American soldiers want to be in Iraq, most are there because they honestly believe they are fighting the people who are suppressing the Iraqi's. It is very doubtful that any American soldiers will make any personal gains as a result of being in Iraq. For most it is a tremendous burden and very thankless. They go with the belief they are going to help the Iraqis only to learn that they are despised and unwanted. Than they return to the USA to further criticism from fellow Americans who further condemn them for having gone.

Now the question is why do they go? Believe it or not it is for the very same reason people in Iraq fight them for being there. It is because they want to remove the invaders and oppressors.

A common enemy is causing people, who should be working together, to see each other as enemies and destroyers of Iraq. Outside of probable upper level echelon people, in more than one government, nobody wants American soldiers in Iraq. Especially the soldiers themselves.

Now, like you said in the post, each soldier needs to be judged on his personal action while in Iraq and not all being lumped into the same category as the idiots in the videos shown on your earlier post.

 

[Cognescenti]

Let us offer up an interfaith prayer that an asteroid fall on a certain someone's head at 12,000 mph. Who will join me?

Oh..I almost forgot..let us ask God that it fall on him (I mean the certain someone) while outside so that mom and dad's den won't be damaged.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Cosgnecenti the Impact will engulf and kill more somebody's and someones than the actuall 'certain someone' it was intended for. I rather pray for peace!

 

[Cognescenti]

We are getting somewhere. At least now we have a grudging admission that there might be one American in Iraq without purely evil intent.

Woohoo! Lookout boys and girls. Next stop world peace.

 

[Cognescenti]

Cosgnecenti the Impact will engulf and kill more somebody's and someones than the actuall 'certain someone' it was intended for. I rather pray for peace!

OK..OK...a marble-sized meteorite then.

 

[islamirama]

Actually very good words to ponder over. Like with all people each must be seen on an individual basis and not condemned on the basis of some. There are American soldiers in Iraq with a sincere desire to help the Iraqi people and there are some with a strong desire to harm the Iraqi people.

Very few if any American soldiers want to be in Iraq, most are there because they honestly believe they are fighting the people who are suppressing the Iraqi's. It is very doubtful that any American soldiers will make any personal gains as a result of being in Iraq. For most it is a tremendous burden and very thankless. They go with the belief they are going to help the Iraqis only to learn that they are despised and unwanted. Than they return to the USA to further criticism from fellow Americans who further condemn them for having gone.

Now the question is why do they go? Believe it or not it is for the very same reason people in Iraq fight them for being there. It is because they want to remove the invaders and oppressors.

A common enemy is causing people, who should be working together, to see each other as enemies and destroyers of Iraq. Outside of probable upper level echelon people, in more than one government, nobody wants American soldiers in Iraq. Especially the soldiers themselves.

Now, like you said in the post, each soldier needs to be judged on his personal action while in Iraq and not all being lumped into the same category as the idiots in the videos shown on your earlier post.

Again bro. I think there's a few good men out there and more the HS grad sex craved punks. Sad part is the majority over there are the types i showed you the video off, otherwise there wouldn't be such chaos in iraq. When they first they invaded, maybe 1/2 of the iraq was happy but since then, with the mass murders and rapes, no one in iraq sees the occupiers as friendly.

And Lastly, invasion and occupation of Muslim lands by default means Jihaad. Don't matter what reason they are there, the soldiers can stop the oppessor (bush) in their own home land first. He killed more iraqis in 5yrs then saddam did in his life time. Fighting him and his army is obligatory on every Muslim.

Allah declares in the Qur'an:​

• "To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to defend themselves), because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory - (they are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right - (for no cause) except that they say, 'Our Lord is Allah'.... " 22:39-40
  
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• "Jihâd (fighting/struggling in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know." 2:216​

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #3835, Narrated AbuHurayrah

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Allah's Messenger [FONT=Helvetica, Arial][/FONT] said, "If anyone meets Allah with no mark of jihad, he will meet Allah with a flaw in him." [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it]

 

[Woodrow]

I have closed this thread because it appears that every side has been covered. There is no need for this to become further debate. None of the post have been deleted and I feel that there is an equal balance so that any reader will have sufficient means to form opinions on their own.