Morsi - What did he do?

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Indeed it's what happens when the unlearned speak about that which they don't know, they quote you articles merely to support their views not because they've yaqeen that's what the absolute truth is- they write about places they've never tread, know nothing of its culture or people
Mursi is but a man and men make mistakes I think his fault here is trusting and openly opposing amero Israeli policies
Yes suffering is our fate when we let go of kitaab and sunnah and follow the desires of kaffirs because they're 'our friends' peace and love
Oh btw here's Israel itself telling you they've crossed Egyptian sovereign skies and killed five

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.540699

Maybe Israel = alqaeda in some minds eyes and zionists = Muslims and let them kill us so we can get along
أعوذ بالله من هذه أشباه الرجال وأشباه المسلمين
 
A functional economy is a self-sufficient one in which the majority of goods are produced locally (within the state's borders) and whatever cannot be feasibly produced locally can be traded with other nations. Part of the recipe for ultimate failure in any economy in my opinion is a reliance on too much of the service industry. Look at the U.S. and ask yourself what is actually produced here? Nothing. It is all restaurants and office buildings essentially. Having a country such as Egypt based primarily on just people visiting the place to see things doesn't make sense either. In both examples the U.S. and Egypt will have to rely on foreign lands to sustain their own economies.

In any case, haram is haram. I don't see why Western tourism cannot be a part of the economy but it should not be resulting in an erosion of Islamic values and policies just to cater to the dollar bill.



Uh, I'm not an economist but I can tell you that this is not accurate. First off all your comment "what is actually produced here? Nothing. It is all restaurants and office buildings essentially" is simply incorrect. Manufacturing represents less of a percentage of the United States economy that it once did but is still a significant share (I think both durable and non-durable goods represent roughly 12% of the US economy).


As to whether it is desirable from a country to have an economy based of the service industry it is still a matter debated by economists. So I can not say you are wrong about this. But one thing you are absolutely wrong about is "A functional economy is a self-sufficient one in which the majority of goods are produced locally" If I am understanding you correctly you are saying that a country should try to produce all of its owns goods. This violates the law of comparative advantage. What you are suggesting is called autarky. It is feasible for a state to take this course of action, but this usually results in considerable economic inefficiencies. It is better that a country instead focus on the industries in which it has a comparative advantage.
 
Now in Egypt with the liberals amending the constitution1- the head of the army can remove the president
2- you can't remove the head of azhar and he's appointed by the govt. same for the pope
3- you can't form political parties if you've religious inclinations
4- they've the right to detain you anytime they want for any reason they concoct
5- media is fully controlled by the govt.
6- they've implemented martial law
And much more too numerous to count

By the way mursi as stated started many projects including expansion of Suez Canal he also wanted to do business with large Muslim countries like Malaysia, weapons from North Korea and brazil but thanks to this new 'free liberal democratic' govt. Egypt will forever be a slave to the amero/ Zionist agenda
Congratulations to those who support the coup and of course too dumb to understand what it all entails!
Dumb by agenda or dumb by choice!
 
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I read almost all the posts of this thread, and I still have no clear clue whether Morsi was good or bad. More than half of the posts are irrelevant, .

Salam alaykum

I afraid that we too often hot up when matter is too close to us.

:phew

Humans usually do it.
 
This guy is a idiot but what he said here clearly explains why Morsi couldnt achieve everything he wanted, he talks openly about a deep state controlling egypts government officials, and the shocking thing he stated is that the deep state is controlled by israel, the US and some other arab countries (Mainly saudi arabia)

Confessions of ElBaradei


A democratic "nobel peace prize laureate" and former head of the UN-affiliated international atomic energy agency ElBaradei gave his first interview after his resignation from the post of the acting junta's vice president of Egypt, in which he said "Mubarak's regime still retains power in the country".

"The ousted president Muhammad Mursi fell into a trap that was set up by conspirators, and Muslim Brotherhood helped them by making their own mistakes", the democrat claimed.

ElBaradei became an interim junta's vice president on July 3 after the military coup in Egypt. But later, after mass shooting of peaceful demonstrators in Cairo, which killed more than 1,500 people (according to other sources up to 4,500), and mild criticism of the junta from the west, he abandoned his post and left the country.

In a statement on recent events in Egypt that has been widely disseminated by the large number of democratic Arab newspapers, El-Baradei made some admissions.

Some groups in Egypt were quick to interpret the resignation of ElBaradei as an escape, to which "the former vice president" retorted:

"Egyptians do not know something. Namely, the fact that two years after the 2011 revolution, the Mubarak regime did not cease to reign in Egypt. And I found that the truth was on the side of Muhammad Mursi. After all, those who lured him into the trap, those who arranged artificial crises in the country, power outages, etc., cannot be called in other words but conspirators from the state within a state.

The Brotherhood in their naivety helped the Mubarak regime to successfully implement their plans. Because, at the right time, they have not sent Mursi on the path of making right decisions", said ElBaradei.

"The first thing that Mursi had to do was to purify the court system. Because justice is the foundation of power. And for the transparency of the trial of the Mubarak regime, it was necessary to convene an extraordinary revolutionary court.

It was necessary to work with people in all areas and to eliminate elements of the old system. However, none of this was done.

The Mubarak regime (deep state within a state, consisting of the army, interior ministry, judiciary, press, America's economy , "Israel" and some Arab countries), predicted Mursi victory in the election, and let him come to power.

However, they developed plans to overthrow him, to sabotage, and artificial crises. That was all prepared long before June 30. The movement "Tamarrud" knows what I'm talking about".

ElBaradei continued: "I found out too late about their secret meetings in Madinat Al-Nasr (a district in Cairo), and the money that they received, and the forgery of signatures of the National Assembly - forgery and treachery, and so much more about it!

If the Brotherhood took necessary decisions in time, they would have been able to destroy all these plans of the conspirators".

ElBaradei lamented that when the popular elected president Mursi declared a state of emergency, interior and defence ministries did not comply with the decision of the president. "But today the defense ministry proclaimed a state of emergency, use sharp ammunition, and this decision is implemented now", said the democratic politician.

As for the money for the aid to Egypt from the Gulf, according to El-Baradei "there was no money from Arab countries, Mubarak just spent all the stolen money before".

Another error of Muslim Brotherhood, according to El-Baradei, "was that they attacked with criticism their political opponents and the Arab regimes and insulted them. Even I got my fair share of it...

Unfortunately, the people of Egypt and Muslim Brotherhood were cheated, they were used as a means to successfully implement plans of the Mubarak's regime. By this time, everyone has forgotten about the revolution of martyrs, killing of revolutionaries and their oppression.

After getting rid of the Brotherhood, according to the plan of the conspirators, all the murderers of revolutionaries during the January Revolution are now being acquitted".

In addition, ElBaradei suggested that starting with the Salafi party Nur, all other religious and political parties in Egypt will be abolished.

Recall, that on September 19, a court of the Egypt's military junta is to consider a lawsuit against ElBaradei, he is charged with "the breach of confidence, which resulted in his dismissal during the critical bloodshed.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2013/08/29/18217.shtml
 
I read almost all the posts of this thread, and I still have no clear clue whether Morsi was good or bad
From an economic viewpoint, his rule was unsuccessful. To be fair to him, anyone taking charge of Egypt following the revolution was facing massive challenges. The economy was weakening under Mubarack and even more disrupted by the revolution. There are 3 key sectors that are revealing:

Foreign currency reserves - had fallen dramatically since the revolution and continued to fall to about 40% of Mubarack levels under Morsi. This would have covered just 3 months of Egypt's imports and threatened total collapse for the economy. Even getting close to these levels was damaging confidence.

Wheat - Egypt hasn't been self sufficient in food for years, not least because it now has twice the population to feed but with less farmland. Morsi promised on ideological grounds to end US wheat imports. In fact he did cut imports - but without raising domestic production. When he was deposed, Egypt's wheat stocks were at an historic low and were compelling the government to pay extra for emergency supplies. This part of his policy made no sense at any level.

Fuel - diesel fuel is essential to the Egyptian economy and as cooking fuel for poorer classes especially. The price has been subsidised for years. Maintaining the subsidy was a terrific strain on the government budget, but Morsi feared to cut the subsidy in case of revolution. In the end he did nothing to fix this long standing issue. The loans he received were simply wasted on current account subsidies, he did nothing to change the structural problem.

Economic schemes - Morsi promoted a grand scheme to develop the Suez Canal into a massive enterprise zone, offering services to the huge traffic of shipping that passes through the canal every year. This is a very good idea (although it dates back to the Mubarack era). The canal is undoubtedly Egypt's jewel in the crown which, alongside the tourist industry, generates most of Egypt's foreign currency earnings.

However, to develop the Zone he needed big investment from the IMF. But the Brotherhood are ideologically opposed to the IMF so, after negotiations, they withdrew from the deal. Instead he tried to get the money from Gulf States (who may have demanded partial ownership of the scheme in return - the details of the deal, which is fundamental to Egypt's future, are disgracefully secret.) In the end he wasted this money on subsidies and the scheme is no further advanced than before.

For Morsi, there was a fundamental conflict between the ideal of no borrowings, no debt, and his pledge to develop the Suez Canal Zone. Morsi's approach to this is contradictory and in the end went nowhere.
 
From an economic viewpoint, his rule was unsuccessful. To be fair to him, anyone taking charge of Egypt following the revolution was facing massive challenges. The economy was weakening under Mubarack and even more disrupted by the revolution. There are 3 key sectors that are revealing:....................


you conveniently scratch the service, a little akin to a whitewashed tomb with nothing but corruption and dead bones within.......


i managed to dig this out of the memory hole, amazing how short our memory spans become in the world of politics


Sudden Improvements in Egypt Suggest a Campaign to Undermine Morsi


Published: July 10, 2013





CAIRO — The streets seethe with protests and government ministers are on the run or in jail, but since the military ousted President Mohamed Morsi, life has somehow gotten better for many people across Egypt: Gas lines have disappeared, power cuts have stopped and the police have returned to the street.



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Yusuf Sayman for The New York Times

As crime and traffic worsened under President Mohamed Morsi, the police refused to respond, hurting the quality of life and the economy. Since his ouster last week, officers have returned to patrols.


The apparently miraculous end to the crippling energy shortages, and the re-emergence of the police, seems to show that the legions of personnel left in place after former President Hosni Mubarak was ousted in 2011 played a significant role — intentionally or not — in undermining the overall quality of life under the Islamist administration of Mr. Morsi.
And as the interim government struggles to unite a divided nation, the Muslim Brotherhood and Mr. Morsi’s supporters say the sudden turnaround proves that their opponents conspired to make Mr. Morsi fail. Not only did police officers seem to disappear, but the state agencies responsible for providing electricity and ensuring gas supplies failed so fundamentally that gas lines and rolling blackouts fed widespread anger and frustration.
“This was preparing for the coup,” said Naser el-Farash, who served as the spokesman for the Ministry of Supply and Internal Trade under Mr. Morsi. “Different circles in the state, from the storage facilities to the cars that transport petrol products to the gas stations, all participated in creating the crisis.”

Working behind the scenes, members of the old establishment, some of them close to Mr. Mubarak and the country’s top generals, also helped finance, advise and organize those determined to topple the Islamist leadership, including Naguib Sawiris, a billionaire and an outspoken foe of the Brotherhood; Tahani el-Gebali, a former judge on the Supreme Constitutional Court who is close to the ruling generals; and Shawki al-Sayed, a legal adviser to Ahmed Shafik, Mr. Mubarak’s last prime minister, who lost the presidential race to Mr. Morsi.

But it is the police returning to the streets that offers the most blatant sign that the institutions once loyal to Mr. Mubarak held back while Mr. Morsi was in power. Throughout his one-year tenure, Mr. Morsi struggled to appease the police, even alienating his own supporters rather than trying to overhaul the Interior Ministry. But as crime increased and traffic clogged roads — undermining not only the quality of life, but the economy — the police refused to deploy fully.
Until now.
White-clad officers have returned to Cairo’s streets, and security forces — widely despised before and after the revolution — intervened with tear gas and shotguns against Islamists during widespread street clashes last week, leading anti-Morsi rioters to laud them as heroes. Posters have gone up around town showing a police officer surrounded by smiling children over the words “Your security is our mission, your safety our goal.”
You had officers and individuals who were working under a specific policy that was against Islamic extremists and Islamists in general,” said Ihab Youssef, a retired police officer who runs a professional association for the security forces. “Then all of a sudden the regime flips and there is an Islamic regime ruling. They could never psychologically accept that.”
When Mr. Mubarak was removed after nearly 30 years in office in 2011, the bureaucracy he built stayed largely in place. Many business leaders, also a pillar of the old government, retained their wealth and influence.
Despite coming to power through the freest elections in Egyptian history, Mr. Morsi was unable to extend his authority over the sprawling state apparatus, and his allies complained that what they called the “deep state” was undermining their efforts at governing.
While he failed to broaden his appeal and build any kind of national consensus, he also faced an active campaign by those hostile to his leadership, including some of the wealthiest and most powerful pillars of the Mubarak era.
Mr. Sawiris, one of Egypt’s richest men and a titan of the old establishment, said Wednesday that he had supported an upstart group called “tamarrod,” Arabic for “rebellion,” that led a petition drive seeking Mr. Morsi’s ouster. He donated use of the nationwide offices and infrastructure of the political party he built, the Free Egyptians. He provided publicity through a popular television network he founded and his major interest in Egypt’s largest private newspaper. He even commissioned the production of a popular music video that played heavily on the network.
“Tamarrod did not even know it was me!” he said. “I am not ashamed of it.”
He said he had publicly predicted that ousting Mr. Morsi would bolster Egypt’s sputtering economy because it would bring in billions of dollars in aid from oil-rich monarchies afraid that the Islamist movement might spread to their shores. By Wednesday, a total of $12 billion had flowed in from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. “That will take us for 12 months with no problem,” Mr. Sawiris said.
Ms. Gebali, the former judge, said in a telephone interview on Wednesday that she and other legal experts helped tamarrod create its strategy to appeal directly to the military to oust Mr. Morsi and pass the interim presidency to the chief of the constitutional court.
“We saw that there was movement and popular creativity, so we wanted to see if it would have an effect and a constitutional basis,” Ms. Gebali said.
Mr. Farash, the trade ministry spokesman under Mr. Morsi, attributed the fuel shortages to black marketers linked to Mr. Mubarak, who diverted shipments of state-subsidized fuel to sell for a profit abroad.
Corrupt officials torpedoed Mr. Morsi’s introduction of a smart card system to track fuel shipments by refusing to use the devices, he said.
But not everyone agreed with that interpretation, as supporters of the interim government said the improvements in recent days were a reflection of Mr. Morsi’s incompetence, not a conspiracy. State news media said energy shortages occurred because consumers bought extra fuel out of fear, which appeared to evaporate after Mr. Morsi’s fall. On Wednesday, Al Ahram, the flagship newspaper, said the energy grid had had a surplus in the past week for the first time in months, thanks to “energy-saving measures by the public.”
“I feel like Egypt is back,” Ayman Abdel-Hakam, a criminal court judge from a Cairo suburb, said after waiting only a few minutes to fill up his car at a downtown gas station. He accused Mr. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood of trying to seize all state power and accused them of creating the fuel crisis by exporting gasoline to Hamas, the militant Islamic group in the Gaza Strip.
“We had a disease, and we got rid of it,” Mr. Abdel-Hakam said.
Ahmed Nabawi, a gas station manager, said he had heard several reasons for the gas crisis: technical glitches at a storage facility, a shipment of low-quality gas from abroad and unnecessary stockpiling by the public. Still, he was amazed at how quickly the crisis disappeared.
“We went to sleep one night, woke up the next day, and the crisis was gone,” he said, casually sipping tea in his office with his colleagues.
Regardless of the reasons behind the crisis, he said, Mr. Morsi’s rule had not helped.
“No one wanted to cooperate with his people because they didn’t accept him,” he said. “Now that he is gone, they are working like they’re supposed to.”


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The economy has nothing to do with Mursi!
At any rate it's not worth while to argue with kaffirs about this their vision for the ME differs from ours and until we rid of them completely will they continue to dictate to us how to run out affairs!
I do fear that Egypt is headed toward a Syrian end but maybe that's just what's needed to rid of the cancer within and the infections from outside!
 
Salaam

Another assessment of President Morsi. Agree, disagree?

The Middling Muslim Brothers

It’s a small detail of great consequence. On July 3, members of the presidential guard stepped away and let Dr. Mohamed Morsi and his aides be arrested by army commandos. If men with guns and tanks can simply arrest an elected president, then what’s to keep them from doing it again and again?

The horrible precedent this sets is buried under the partisan fury for and against the Muslim Brothers. Haters of the MB apparently see nothing wrong with the military summarily detaining the first elected national leader in Egyptian history. Boosters of the MB are so caught up in their own injury that they’re not pausing to wonder why a great many people feel relief and even satisfaction at the demise of the Morsi presidency.

I don’t want to belabor here the polarization that so many others have written about. I want to reflect on what Dr. Morsi did to hasten his ignominious ouster. As a seasoned politician with long experience dealing with the Mubarak state, surely Mohamed Morsi and his inner circle realized the unbelievable obstacles they were up against.

Dangers lurked everywhere—resistance and intrigue from the mukhabarat state; corruption and obstruction from top to bottom of the bureaucracy; a rogue police force intent on facilitating rather than containing violence; fulul networks in every province ever-ready to block any change; a hostile media establishment hellbent on demonizing the MB; and considerable public mistrust of the Brothers well before Morsi set foot in the presidential palace.

Stubbornness, stupidity, incompetence, myopia, dictatorial intent – all have been breezily thrown about in an ugly carnival of Morsi-blame and schadenfreude that may emotionally satisfy some people. But it doesn’t begin to get at a real understanding of the perils of governance in a revolutionary situation. Dr. Morsi’s challenges and failings are sure to re-appear in future presidents. That’s assuming we’ll get future presidents who come to power through credible elections, not stage-managed pageants.

Here I want to flesh out a remark I made about Mohamed Morsi when he was first elected. I want to argue that Dr. Morsi’s core mistake is that he underestimated and neglected the very public that his enemies were cynically and ceaselessly courting. He and his advisers chose to govern behind closed doors, without first girding themselves in protective public support. When the problems piled up and the mukhabarat state tightened the noose, Morsi found no succor from anyone outside his trust network.

This isn’t an issue of the former president’s stubbornness or blindness or whatever. It’s his embodiment of a mode of leadership that’s common in the world of politics but very inadequate for the treacherous terrain of post-revolutionary politics. Dr. Morsi’s fatal weakness is that he’s a prototypical party oligarch, and this made him distinctly unsuited for the extraordinary responsibility he took on.

A Janus-Faced Movement

The Muslim Brothers have always been an essentially middling movement, not in the sense of ‘mediocre’ but in the sense of straddling two worlds. Their base is rooted in the middle and lower classes, with a real interest in transformative socio-economic change. But their leadership has always had its eye on joining,not destroying, the system.

Over the years, the MB leadership crystallized into a counter-elite of well-to-do, urban, upwardly-mobile professionals and businessmen eager to enter the exclusive ranks of the establishment. The Brothers are still second to none in their public outreach during elections, knowing how to woo rather than spurn ordinary citizens. But as with all large organizations, the leadership has developed interests of its own, principally self-preservation.

The leaders’ hold over the organization is reinforced by decades of state repression and the kind of insular decision-making that it breeds. Such an environment encourages a conception of politics as the art of machination and intrigue, of deal-making behind closed doors with both allies and adversaries.

The contrasting conception of politics as the painstaking, transparent, messy work of coalition-building between large, cacophonous groups has less purchase. Why invest time in cultivating horizontal ties with other groups when there are greater (and quicker) payoffs from bargaining with those at the top?

The MB’s now-notorious practitioner of politics-as-elite-intrigue is financier and strategist Khairat El-Shater, invariably referred to as the group’s “strongman.” Shater is emblematic of the rising Islamist counter-elite aspiring for a share of national power, only to be rebuffed every time by the Mubarakist entrenched elite.

After being blocked from an academic appointment in 1981, Shater turned to the family business and became a millionaire, in spite of the Mubarak regime’s repeated crackdown on his businesses, starting with the 1992 shutdown of his computer company (Salsabeel) that he co-owned with businessman Hasan Malek. Incidentally, the prosecutor on that case was none other than Abdel Meguid Mahmoud. Beginning in 2004, Shater’s star began to rise in the MB and was cemented with the January 2010 internal elections that put Mohamed Badie at the helm and re-arranged the politburo to push out Shater’s rivals, Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh and Mohamed Habib.

A Party Leader Becomes President

The first handicap that afflicted Morsi’s presidency is that he is a Shater loyalist, which is not the same as being the best man the MB could put forward for such a critical position. Morsi as stand-in for Shater may have been passable to the party faithful, but not to Egyptians at large. It left an undying impression among both the general public and Morsi’s opponents that he was the wrong man in the wrong place. And this is before he made a single executive decision.

Morsi’s personal attributes reinforced the image of an unconvincing president. The whip of the Ikhwan’s bloc in the 2000 parliament, he was the quintessential party manager. His manner was rote, risk-averse, a tad pallid. He didn’t do outreach, like MB leaders Mohamed El-Beltagui and Helmi al-Gazzar, both comfortable around and popular with non-Ikhwan politicians and the media. Morsi’s natural habitat is the executive committee meeting of the party, flanked by fellow party elders and deferential to the towering figure of Shater.

Typical of party leaders, the MB and Morsi did court non-MB voters, but purely for electoral purposes. They changed their campaign slogan for the second round of elections to the glib “Our Power is in Our Unity.” And the Morsi campaign courted a group of activist luminaries who pledged to support Morsi over Ahmed Shafiq at the famous “Fairmont Meeting.” In return, the group asked for an inclusive national unity government and presidential advisers from outside the Ikhwan. Morsi balked at the former and acceded to the latter, but after the November 21 decrees, all of his advisers resigned, refusing to serve as ornaments in an essentially Ikhwan presidential administration.

Rocky Beginnings

Morsi began his short-lived tenure in office with a lot of baggage. He didn’t ride into the presidency on a wave of popular enthusiasm, as one would expect of the first ever free presidential elections after a heroic popular uprising. Aside from the brief, celebratory day of June 29, 2012 when Morsi took his oath in Tahrir Square, the general mood was sober.

Shafiq had secured a stunning 48% of the vote, a clear sign that the forces of the old order succeeded in molding a sizeable public opinion against change. And the Muslim Brothers’ subpar performance in parliament and their hogging of the constituent assembly throughout the spring of 2012 left an indelible feeling that they wanted to “take over” the whole state.

Morsi’s enemies in the deep state started working on the public from day one. Ironically, they read the election returns better than the Brothers did, recognizing in major metropolitan centers a significant anti-Ikhwan sentiment that they worked to stoke. Within a week of Morsi taking office, they had their chance. On July 8, Morsi issued his first decree re-seating the parliament dissolved by SCAF based on a Supreme Court ruling. The civilian president looked like he was intent on using his executive powers, not merely being a figurehead.

Alarm bells went off in the military and intelligence apparatus. The ever-useful Mohamed Abu Hamed called on the military to act against the president. Thus began the campaign to cast Mohamed Morsi as the MB’s cat’s paw to take over the state. Significantly, the military’s propaganda video justifying its coup cites the July 8 decree as the beginning of Morsi’s supposedly irresponsible actions that precipitated his own downfall.

But let’s not be lulled into parroting the military’s storyline. The generals’ goal is to demonize any effort to create an independent power base within the Egyptian state, especially if that power inheres in an elected institution. So they use the discourse of failure, autocratic usurpation, and incompetence to smear Morsi and reinforce their exclusive hold on power. We have to come up with our own independent assessment of Morsi’s performance.

Hemmed In

Morsi’s performance oscillated between acting with resolve to push back against obstruction and going slow so as not to antagonize powerful entrenched fiefdoms. Morsi used the first strategy against the Mubarakist judiciary, thus transferring to the presidency the Muslim Brothers’ intensifying conflict with the courts that they had started while in parliament. The November 21 decrees are the case in point here. Morsi tried to protect the constituent assembly and Shura Council from judicial dissolution, but did so by touching a nerve with Egyptians: increasing presidential powers.

The second strategy of placation was used with the police. As an outsider president, Morsi’s dilemma was that if he moved to purge the police, he would face a mutiny that would bring down his rule. If he chose accommodation, he would be held accountable for the continuing torture and abuses of a rogue police force intent only on maintaining its untouchable status. Morsi repeatedly accommodated the police, only to get the worst of all worlds. Citizens were outraged by continued police impunity, while police strikes and passive resistance intensified the collective violence and chaos that destabilized Morsi’s rule.

In ordinary times and places, a dual strategy of confrontation and appeasement is the stuff of presidential politics. In the power struggle of post-revolutionary Egypt, presidential politics is an existential gamble. Morsi became trapped in a cycle where he was accused of dictatorship if he moved aggressively and accused of betrayal if he pursued accommodation.

The wider public tuned out this grand drama, seeing no stake in the epic battles playing out at the top. Morsi’s sense of besiegement and retreat into his Ikhwan trust network was a huge disincentive for the public to even try and sympathize with the embattled president.

Most Egyptians could be forgiven for feeling that the whole thing didn’t concern them, that it was just a new round of the perennial conflict between the Muslim Brothers and the state. It wasn’t a battle between the first elected president and the corrupt deep state, but a fight between the president of the Muslim Brothers and his group and everyone else.

The anti-Morsi media drove home this framing every day and night. If an alien had parachuted into Egypt in spring 2013 and turned on the television, the impression he’d get is that the state had been hijacked by a lunatic tribe that was running the country into the ground. The insular, preaching-to-the-converted media of the Muslim Brothers stood no chance against this juggernaut.

The best that can be said about the president’s attempts to reach out to the public at this juncture is that they were perfunctory. His speeches were bland status updates, boring balance sheets of what the government had achieved and still needed to do. As crises mounted, the underworld of deep conflict between the president and the security services began to bubble up, but in a way that made the president appear even weaker.

By April, Morsi seemed completely encircled. Repeatedly, he reasonably protested that he was protecting democratic legitimacy. But he seemed to be the only one invoking the rules of the democratic game. All other players had moved on. An EU delegation was pressuring Morsi to accept the demands of Morsi’s opponents in the National Salvation Front, in return for the IMF signing off on its $4.8 billion loan to Egypt. And on April 24, General El-Sisi had a long meeting in Cairo with US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. Afterwards, “Mr. Hagel told associates that he believed Gen. Sisi was someone Washington could—and should—work more closely with.”

Beyond the Muslim Brothers

Had Morsi pursued a different tack and built a robust popular front to help him take on the Mubarakist ruling caste, would he still be president today? I don’t know. My argument suggests that even if he wanted to, Morsi wouldn’t have been able to build firm bridges. He was too imprisoned by the MB leadership’s strategic decision to go it alone. For them, ‘real’ politics is the interaction between competing elites. The politics of coalition-building and public persuasion is small potatoes compared to the high politics of elite machination. Tragically, this age-old conception of power cost them a lot more than their short-lived exercise of power.

For me, there’s nothing to celebrate in the rout of the Muslim Brothers. Warts and all, they were the only civilian counterweight to absolute military supremacy, the only organization big enough to stand up to the self-preserving generals and their partners in the civilian bureaucracy. But their leaders’ strategies led to their undoing by the far more powerful, vicious ruling caste. The consequences of their defeat go far beyond simply injury to their organization.

The downfall of the Morsi presidency will also be cast as the futility of the hope that outsiders can govern. The Brothers proved to be excellent tools in the counter-revolution’s master operation of regaining exclusive control over the state. The Morsi episode is already being framed as a cautionary tale of the bad things that happen when unqualified outsiders dare to enter the hallowed precincts of state power.

Millions entrusted Dr. Morsi with making the state work for its people, of ending decades upon miserable decades of state theft, violence, and neglect. He did not, could not, fulfill the trust.

If the largest, best organized, and most politically experienced mass movement can be so handily slain by the forces of the old order, what hope is there for the weaker segments of the opposition, many of whom have already proved their willingness to pact with the dominant elite out of hatred for the Islamist counter-elite?

In my political dream world, this defeat will catalyze an internal revolution in the Muslim Brothers and the rise of a new leadership more committed to far-reaching change, and skilled in the politics of coalition-building. A historic entente will ensue between the new and improved MB and new and improved factions of the secular opposition, who will have learned their own hard lesson to never, ever trust the military, and to respect ordinary citizens more. This powerful alliance will contest and win parliamentary and presidential elections, firing up public enthusiasm for a decisive showdown with the old order and its foreign backers.

Would that the next round of the Egyptian revolution follow my playbook. For there will be a next round, but nobody knows whose playbook it’ll come from.

http://www.zcommunications.org/the-middling-muslim-brothers-by-baheyya.html
 
They didn't want any form of Islamic government to succeed even one merely flavored Islamic and the take home lesson for Muslims here is you can't attain what's rightfully yours using a western model to attain what was lost by the sword or their equipments and tanks must be regained in the same fashion - Syrian rebels after two yrs and useless 'peaceful protests' got the right idea and now that they're closing in in their devil bashar the US and west are suddenly concerned of the use of chemical weapons well where was the concern with the hundreds of thousands dead? They did the same in Bosnia they come in when a proper genocide has taken place against Muslims they come in to make sure no Muslim rises to power no matter how westernized they seem and of course take the glory like a deus ex machina. Once people collectively understand how they play their dirty politics and propaganda mill will they be able to move forward and get what's rightfully ours back!
 
US can very well meet russia on the battlefield when they try to attack syria and install a pro-zionist system. When US, israel attacks syria it wont matter if you are pro or anti-Assad, I know hamas is anti-Assad but the group made itself clear that if US attacks syria that it will carry out strikes into israel. So yes, this is going to get messy.

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey....orces-to-confront-military-strike-on-syria-2/
 
The US and Russia may appear as enemies but they've a common enemy 'Muslims' even if the US appears anti Asad and Russia pro at the end they've to protect the cockroach Israel furthermore they can play good cop bad cop with the veto system.
I do believe we are headed toward a WWIII the Armageddon sort!
 
جوري;1595546 said:
The US and Russia may appear as enemies but they've a common enemy 'Muslims' even if the US appears anti Asad and Russia pro at the end they've to protect the cockroach Israel furthermore they can play good cop bad cop with the veto system.
I do believe we are headed toward a WWIII the Armageddon sort!

Which countries will be on what sides in this hypothetical WWIII you think we are headed for?
 
US can very well meet russia on the battlefield when they try to attack syria and install a pro-zionist system. When US, israel attacks syria it wont matter if you are pro or anti-Assad, I know hamas is anti-Assad but the group made itself clear that if US attacks syria that it will carry out strikes into israel. So yes, this is going to get messy.

I think it is highly unlikely that the United States and Russian will actually fight each other. Is it possible? Well sure, just about anything is possible. But highly unlikely. As for Hamas carrying out strikes against Israel...well, in the past they have fired rockets into Israel that they can barely aim. Most of the time they seem to strike open landscape. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that I could count on both my hands the number of people they have managed to kill with their weak rockets. I do think it will be messy and bloody regardless of who wins. Maybe if the US had intervened at the very beginning they could have saved tens of thousands of lives and sped up Assad's downfall before relations between the different Muslim groups in the country became hardened. Unfortunately Isolationism is on the rise in the United States because of the Iraq fiasco.
 
As for Hamas carrying out strikes against Israel...well, in the past they have fired rockets into Israel that they can barely aim. Most of the time they seem to strike open landscape. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that I could count on both my hands the number of people they have managed to kill with their weak rockets.

Peace with you

Some years ago I asked this matter from Hamas (they military section al-Qassam Brigades). They told that they don´t want to kill innocent people - it is against islam.

They fire rockets, missiles to the place where isn´t inhabitants. Sometimes they missiles hit to houses. As they are homemades... they might go to everywhere. Sometimes even back to Gaza. Israel has now the Iron Dome- system. Sorry Americans, it is paid from your tax money.

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Israel is a colonial settler state and viewed as the enemy it also has no problems killing civilians and putting in prison children as young as three unfortunately Hamas isn't sophisticated enough to target their missiles where they need as most of their equipment are locally made but hopefully in due time!
 
I've just read up on the performance of Iron Dome. Very impressive capabilities. Even if Hamas does upgrade its rocket capabilities I don't know if it will make a difference.
 
That's Israeli propagandist BS Hamas' rockets penetrated their so called iron wall and they'd to beg Egypt for a cease fire another reason mursi had to go because they didn't like the shift in power!
It reminds me if their five hundred million dollar impenetrable bar lev line which the Egyptian army back when they were still Muslims took it down with plain water!
Victory has always come from faith and from God not equipments and allies which us precisely why Afghanistan as meek and poor as it is, is labeled the graveyard of empires read all about it - written by your own greedy imperialist fools too not Muslim ones after a psychological warfare!
Israel will never be happy or at peace they know they're thieves and thieves never sleep!
As the great Muslim military leader who has never lost a battle Khalid IBn ilwaleed said: 'فلا نامت أعين الجبناء'
 
جوري;1595610 said:
That's Israeli propagandist BS Hamas' rockets penetrated their so called iron wall and they'd to beg Egypt for a cease fire another reason mursi had to go because they didn't like the shift in power!

From my understanding the system does not target rockets that are calculated not to hit anything. It seem most rockets that "penetrate" the system are permitted to do so.

جوري;1595610 said:
It reminds me if their five hundred million dollar impenetrable bar lev line which the Egyptian army back when they were still Muslims took it down with plain water!

The bar lev line is an illustrative example of why fixed defenses are of little value in an age of mobile warfare. Pretty strange that the Israelis would put effort into something that was not congruent with their military strengths.

جوري;1595610 said:
Victory has always come from faith and from God not equipments and allies which us precisely why Afghanistan as meek and poor as it is, is labeled the graveyard of empires read all about it - written by your own greedy imperialist fools too not Muslim ones after a psychological warfare!

Victory always comes from God and not equipment or allies? Then how do you account for Israel's victories in 1948, 1967, 1973? The issue with Afghanistan is that guerilla warfare always has the potential to outlast a large conventional arms opponent. It is a matter of speculation as to what the situation there would be like if the United States had not initially gone in with limited forces and not diverted attention away to an unecessary and stupid war in Iraq rather than finishing the job in Afghanistan. Vietnam can also make a pretty good claim to be a graveyard for empires and they have done so without God. Of course, faith in one's ideals can be pretty strong though. I will conceder that devout religious belief can be a source of strength, but it doesn't matter which God is the source of that faith. Heck, I imagine that for many Vietnamese, Communism and Nationalism was as inspiring as religion is for some Muslim fighters. If there is a God, it doesn't seem like he takes an active hand in military affairs (or anything else).

جوري;1595610 said:
Israel will never be happy or at peace they know they're thieves and thieves never sleep!
As the great Muslim military leader who has never lost a battle Khalid IBn ilwaleed said:

Ok.
 
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