Most Muslims don’t know Islam

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I have just been watching a TV programme about Wills (It was on BBC 2 - I think it’s called something like you can’t take it with you). The programme was about helping families from various situations make out their Will to deliver what they wanted to leave to whoever. This particular programme involved a Muslim couple described as a ‘professional’ couple who had amongst their assets a house worth £600,000. They had three children, two (older girls) and a son. The wife looking very Muslim with her head fully covered and her husband wanted a ‘Muslim’ Will which included (upon their death) that their assets should be given wholly from husband to wife or wife to husband or on joint death equally amongst their children. This ‘professional’ couple were shocked to discover that the Qur’an dictates that their assets should be split differently (as we here all know how). That confirmed to me that most Muslims trundle along through life dressing like Muslims and doing what they do thinking they are Muslims but really don’t have a clue about Islam and what it teaches and dictates in terms of how they live their lives. At the end of the programme they sat round a dinner table, with their friends and family and an Imam. Their (Pakistani) parents and Imam told them that is they it must be (according to the Qur’an) and they and their friends pleaded - but we’re now in 21st century UK their must be another interpretation appropriate for the 21st century.

I have long suspected that most Muslims have a very superficial understanding of Islam and this programme has confirmed it.

What say you?
 
Salaam

Thinker said:
I have long suspected that most Muslims have a very superficial understanding of Islam and this programme has confirmed it.

What say you?
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This is rather impressive Thinker,

Your ability plumb the depths of the orientalist mindset never ceases to amaze.

Bro YusufNoor gave an adequate response so theres no need to respond further
 
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I have to agree to some extent. From my experience, there are many Muslims that don't know much about Islam. Though your suspicion should not be based on a Muslim couple lol.
 
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I agree with the above two posters....... one muslim couple on tv is representative of all? Woe to all of us and the people on tv who represent our culture/ religion!!!

I don't believe that the couple in the shows lack of knowledge about leaving their possessions would qualify as a lack of knowledge about their religion. None of us can be all-knowing and there will always be things within a religion that individuals are not aware of. Even scholars do not agree on all things. If the scholars can not agree, nor know all things, then how can we expect the common man to know that much more? To whom much is given, much is required.
 
To that I say, shame on you 4 making one muslim couple the basis of your comparison. They didn't fully know the rules and regulations regarding the issues concerning wills. That doesn't mean to say Muslims in general do not know what Islam teaches and what it's about. P.s was there any relevance in pointing out their ethnic origin? Peace =)
 
Anytime a TV show purports factuality, you can be almost sure that what it teaches is full of inaccuracies or in some cases (as in "reality" TV) lies. Even the History Channel gets things wrong embarrassingly often.
 
Ok, first off I completely agree that it is bang out of order to use this one TV programme about one incident as evidence for your patronizing theory.

HOWEVER, I do agree a lot of Muslims fail to understand or even attempt to learn about the depths of their religion.

Again, however, when it comes to the specifics of wills and testaments, it is a very difficult topic to grasp and therefore is a poor example. The rest of the Islamic rulings, which are clearer are understood by many Muslims perfectly.
 
Junon said:
Salaam



This is rather impressive Thinker,

Your ability plumb the depths of the orientalist mindset never ceases to amaze.

Bro YusufNoor gave an adequate response so theres no need to respond further
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Salaam

I'll second that.

peace
 
Thinker said:
I have long suspected that most Muslims have a very superficial understanding of Islam and this programme has confirmed it. What say you?
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I think you need to change your username. Maybe "No_thinker" would be a start.

Can you please tell us how your mind "think" (I am using the the word very loosely now) to arrive at a conclusion from a couple of muslims ----> most muslims?
 
AhlaamBella said:
Again, however, when it comes to the specifics of wills and testaments, it is a very difficult topic to grasp and therefore is a poor example. The rest of the Islamic rulings, which are clearer are understood by many Muslims perfectly
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I disagree.
The subject of wills is among the most fleshed out and clearly defined and regulated in the Qur'an. Many other aspects need to be explained in details by ahadith, etc., but the wills and testaments are thoroughly explored in the qur'an.
Many muslims however follow only their desires and follow the western trend, hence you get an example of the muslim couple in the OP.
 
YusufNoor said:
ibn bononbos,

a TV show about 5 people has "proven" your "thesis" about Muslims?

it only goes to show that when it comes to "thinking," you don't know jack!!
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+1. They were obviously the majority of Muslims. The other one is busy causing terror in Afghanistan :P

I don't see what they did as wrong or embarrassing. There are different levels of knowledge and that's why we have scholars. They didn't know something so asked an imam. I think most Muslims would ask an imam or someone learned in matters of jurisprudence even if they did know. If they then followed the imams advice then good on them.
 
naidamar said:



I disagree.
The subject of wills is among the most fleshed out and clearly defined and regulated in the Qur'an. Many other aspects need to be explained in details by ahadith, etc., but the wills and testaments are thoroughly explored in the qur'an.
Many muslims however follow only their desires and follow the western trend, hence you get an example of the muslim couple in the OP.
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Salaam

Not true - wills are techinical just like inheritence is - you need to go to a scholar to write one out - not everyone knows what goes in a will - most people probably dont even know the basics of wills in secular nations under a secular law - thats why they have lawyers to explain it to them.

Quran and hadith is techinical stuff as well so you need scholars to advice you of how to write one.

peace
 
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naidamar said:



I disagree.
The subject of wills is among the most fleshed out and clearly defined and regulated in the Qur'an. Many other aspects need to be explained in details by ahadith, etc., but the wills and testaments are thoroughly explored in the qur'an.
Many muslims however follow only their desires and follow the western trend, hence you get an example of the muslim couple in the OP.
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You misunderstood. I was not at all implying that the explanation in the Qur'an is unsatisfactory. Just that it is so complex that a scholar's guidance is needed when the situation arrives.
 
Thinker, I must agree with other posters here that drawing the conclusion that 'most Muslims don’t know Islam' from the example of a handful of people in the TV documentary is really not acceptable. :hmm:
 
16:125 Call unto the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and reason with them in the best manner. Verily your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path and and best knows He as to who are the rightly-guided.
 
Of course I cannot make a judgment on what ‘most’ Muslims know based upon one couple, so why do I say that? My comments on Islam have often been cast aside on the basis that I can’t possible be qualified to make any observations on Islam because I am not Muslim and I have often suspected I know more about Islam than most Muslims. Now there’s that word ‘most’ again. Most Muslims have been exposed to Islam teaching for longer than me and that alone should mean that most know more than me. The couple in question looked to be in their late 40’s and had clearly been brought up as Muslims from birth by (Pakistani) Muslim parents. I have been looking at Islam for only a couple of years and I encountered the inheritance question a long time ago so why did I know it and they didn’t? Were the couple in question typical Muslims knowing as much about Islam as the average (British) Muslim. They looked more Muslim than most and were clearly worried not to offend God by making a non-Islamic Will – so I concluded that if they are more Muslim than the average British Muslim (and they were certainly more intelligent/better educated than most British subjects) they should know more about Islam than ‘most’ British Muslims. That’s why I used the word ‘most.’

And for those interested what was the outcome? They wheeled in another scholar who could provide them with a modified interpretation. (Again another thing I have often said, if scholar 'A' says it should be this way there will always be another scholar who says it should be that way).
 
My thoughts exactly Ahlaam Bella! Like it really matters if they're Gujarati or Pakistani or whatever other ethnic origin. Thinker, you can't judge someone on how islamic they 'look'! :| Dayymmm! That statement is quite narrow-minded =( so what if they didn't know about wills and what have you be, of course there are going to be some aspects of Islam which they haven't encountered properly, just because they are Muslim does not mean they should know everything regarding their religion, granted, they should try and learn as much of it as they can, but there are billions of people who are not knowledgeable and who know the ins and out of their religion. Peaceeeeeeeeeee =D
 

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