Muhammad: a Prophet or an imposter?

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Hussein radi said:
I have a question to the Christians. If Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) is an imposter(!NOT!) then why is he mentioned in the Bible? And in the Tura?
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Sorry, what? Where does it say this in the Torah and New Testament?

I'm pretty familiar with both over the years and I'd yet to hear that particular claim.
 
Becuase i know a Jewish friend in high school who told me that the jewish believe in Prophet Muhammed(PBUH). However, they claim that his an arab prophet.:heated:
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family)in the Bible. Thats were i got my information at.
 
NahidSarvy said:
Sorry, what? Where does it say this in the Torah and New Testament?

I'm pretty familiar with both over the years and I'd yet to hear that particular claim.
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Are you asking him in particular or everyone?


BECAUSE THERES A FAT THREAD NAMES MOHAMMED AND HIS FAMILY IN THE BIBLE :p
 
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Try again, O my Brothers. This time, provide citations, because I done read them and there is no such thing in the Bible. No Mu7ammad. None. Nope.

Are you saying it's in the Torah about Mu7ammad himself? Impossible, since the Torah is much older. Prophecies? If so, which section? It's a big honkin' book.

I'll go and look for some thread like you say now. Maybe there's a cite there.
 
Hussein radi said:
Becuase i know a Jewish friend in high school who told me that the jewish believe in Prophet Muhammed(PBUH). However, they claim that his an arab prophet.:heated:
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Interesting. I have an exceedingly large and well-traveled circle of Jewish friends of all persuasions, from Mista'rvim (Baghdadi Arab Jews) to rabbis, and none of them know anything about Muhammad being an Arab prophet (anymore than they respect Jesus as a Prophet).
 
ya_Giney said:
Well that underestimates the potential of the insane - who tend to be pretty good liars anyway. I do not see that these two opinions are contradictory. Let us suppose that someone is insane and thinks he is Napoleon. To maintain this illusion the insane person must construct a fantasy world to explain away the fact that he is not Napoleon. It doesn't mean that he is not insane, nor does it mean that he is always telling the truth - even if he comes to believe his own lies. No expects the insane to sit up at night thinking how to convince people that they are what they say they are. But if they really want to convince people of their fantasy they have to be quick to invent reasons why the things they say are really true.
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u dont make sense mate! if he was insane and thought he was nepoleon why would he create and illusion for others to believe he is not!
PLEASE TRY AND MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!:rollseyes :rollseyes
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If he wants to believe he is Napoleon, he has to work at it twenty four hours a day. Because he can just look in the mirror and see he is not Napoleon. So on one level an insane person "believes" they are Napoleon. On another level they know they have to work hard to make the illusion work. But they also have to pretend to themselves that they are not working hard to make it work. They have to believe that they believe that they are Napoleon. So an insane person would not stay up all night thinking how to convince people. But if faced with an uncomfortable fact they will attempt to make the fact fit their version of reality, that is, lie, rather than admit the truth.

Now I admit that none of this has any relevance to Muhammed as I don't think there is any evidence of his mental condition. But insane people are not that simple.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
If he wants to believe it then he knows he isnt and so he is lying :p lol

HeiGou bro your gonna confuse me :)
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Hey insane people are a problem. There is a medical condition which involves people who are convinced they are, in fact, already dead. Now think about that. How long would it take me to convince you that you're alive? These people need a minute by minute "management" of reality and yet on some level they know they are not dead because they don't just walk in front of traffic.

But are they lying? Well managing reality is not the same as lying I suppose.
 
Well I would say like others that there are three possibilities:

1. Muhammed (sall'Allaahu aleyhi wa sallam) was the last Prophet of Allaah (swt), as he claimed.

2. Muhammed (sall'Allaahu aleyhi wa sallam) was a liar. He knew that he wasn't a Prophet, yet still told people that he was.

3. Muhammed (sall'Allaahu aleyhi wa sallam) sincerely believed that he was a Prophet, but he was mistaken. How he was mistaken could be in two ways:

a) He was insane.

b) He was fooled by Shaytaan and/or other evil forces.

I think we can work out from here. And I agree with what someone said that because Islamic tradition says Muhammed (sall'Allaahu aleyhi wa sallam) was a Prophet doesn't make it true. I think we Muslims have far better arguments at our disposal. Thus, it is of no need to get into circular reasoning.

Anyone disagree with the above?
 
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Hmm sounds pretty cool, and i think all have been spoken about a little in here
 
Abu Omar said:
Well I would say like others that there are three possibilities:

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3. Muhammed (sall'Allaahu aleyhi wa sallam) sincerely believed that he was a Prophet, but he was mistaken. How he was mistaken could be in two ways:

a) He was insane.

b) He was fooled by Shaytaan and/or other evil forces.

>deletions<

Anyone disagree with the above?
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There is a third possibility which is another subset of 3.

c) He had some sort of natural occurring vision which he did not understand fully and so he interpreted that through the culture of the time, which was as a Prophet of God, which he came to believe very strongly indeed.

That does not mean he was insane.

However there must be an explanation for these sort of occurences, regardless of what Muhammed did or did not do. Too many people have had similar experiences. Muslim history is full of short-lived prophets who have raised rebellion and then died. Christian history is too - some of them not so short lived. They can't all be insane or liars. Something is going on. They are often very convincing and many people are convinced. Usually they come to a bad end. This needs to be explained no matter what happened in the Hejaz 1400 years ago.
 
no sis (above) its not spacificly mentions the Muhammed (pbuh) but in the old testimot (dnt kno bout the new) it mentions that there would be a man coming very wise etc. however the christians are still waiting for him? when we believe he has cum and gon and is Muhammed! hope makes sense
 
glo said:
No, I wasn't implying that at all ...

Peace.

Hhhhmmmmm ... if we just for one momet allow ourselves to imagine that satan had deceived Muhammed into believing that his message was from God, would he (satan) not make sure to assert that it could never have been from any evil source?

After all, satan is not stupid!

Peace.
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Lack of comprehension on my part :embarrass .Somehow, i get the feeling that christians think they have more authority to talk about satan because satan was mentioned in their book much before the Qur'an. We have to judge the Prophet(pbuh) of Islam from a neutral perspective, not from a christian perspective. Look closely at the Prophet's life. you will notice traits of the previous prophet's in him. Before Islam came, arabs killed each other over camel races, After the prophet came all that nonsense was stopped.So does it mean satan inspired the prophet to stop killing? it doesn't make sense does it?

One more proof that the prophet wasn't demon inspired was the incident in whcih he was possesed by a satan. now note, if he was truly a demon inspried person.. he wouldn't have supplicated to Allah to rid him of that satan's influence. my bad english gets in the way again. hope you understood my point.
 
HeiGou said:
There is a third possibility which is another subset of 3.

c) He had some sort of natural occurring vision which he did not understand fully and so he interpreted that through the culture of the time, which was as a Prophet of God, which he came to believe very strongly indeed.

That does not mean he was insane.

However there must be an explanation for these sort of occurences, regardless of what Muhammed did or did not do. Too many people have had similar experiences. Muslim history is full of short-lived prophets who have raised rebellion and then died. Christian history is too - some of them not so short lived. They can't all be insane or liars. Something is going on. They are often very convincing and many people are convinced. Usually they come to a bad end. This needs to be explained no matter what happened in the Hejaz 1400 years ago.
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Wouldnt that come under being confused by satan.
Whether directly or indirectly
 
muslim_friend said:
Before Islam came, arabs killed each other over camel races, After the prophet came all that nonsense was stopped.
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All that stopped? Are you sure? Arab society is quite well known for killings involving honor and I bet I could find one involving camel racing.

One more proof that the prophet wasn't demon inspired was the incident in whcih he was possesed by a satan. now note, if he was truly a demon inspried person.. he wouldn't have supplicated to Allah to rid him of that satan's influence. my bad english gets in the way again. hope you understood my point.
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He was possessed by Satan? Do you have any more on that or a reference?
 
ya_Giney said:
no sis (above) its not spacificly mentions the Muhammed (pbuh) but in the old testimot (dnt kno bout the new) it mentions that there would be a man coming very wise etc. however the christians are still waiting for him? when we believe he has cum and gon and is Muhammed! hope makes sense
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Hi there

I think you are getting things confused.
In the Old Testament there is indeed the coming of the Messiah prophesied.
Christians believe him to be Jesus. There are parts of the prophecy which (to Christians) clearly point towards Jesus, the time and circumstances he was born in, as well as other details.

Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, and they are still waiting for him.

Whether Muslim believe him to be Muhammed, I don't know. I'm sure one of the Muslims here will know.


Peace. :)
 
HeiGou said:
All that stopped? Are you sure? Arab society is quite well known for killings involving honor and I bet I could find one involving camel racing.
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Which happened during the Prophet's time?
He was possessed by Satan? Do you have any more on that or a reference?
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Volumn 008, Book 075, Hadith Number 400.
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Narated By 'Aisha : That Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). Then (one day) he said, "O 'Aisha!) Do you know that Allah has advised me as to the problem I consulted Him about?" 'Aisha said, "O Allah's Apostle! What's that?" He said, "Two men came to me and one of them sat at my head and the other at my feet, and one of them asked his companion, 'What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.' The former asked, 'Who has worked magic on him?' The latter replied, 'Labid bin Al-A'sam.' The former asked, 'With what did he work the magic?' The latter replied, 'With a comb and the hair, which are stuck to the comb, and the skin of pollen of a date-palm tree.' The former asked, 'Where is that?' The latter replied, 'It is in Dharwan.' Dharwan was a well in the dwelling place of the (tribe of) Bani Zuraiq. Allah's Apostle went to that well and returned to 'Aisha, saying, 'By Allah, the water (of the well) was as red as the infusion of Hinna, (1) and the date-palm trees look like the heads of devils.' 'Aisha added, Allah's Apostle came to me and informed me about the well. I asked the Prophet, 'O Allah's Apostle, why didn't you take out the skin of pollen?' He said, 'As for me, Allah has cured me and I hated to draw the attention of the people to such evil (which they might learn and harm others with).'"

Narrated Hisham's father: 'Aisha said, "Allah's Apostle was bewitched, so he invoked Allah repeatedly requesting Him to cure him from that magic)." Hisham then narrated the above narration. (See Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7)
 

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