Muslim Children and Sex Education

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Well Said Ghengis

I hve to say that whilst there have ben mentions of links with MMR and autism tis has not (as yet) been medically proved) However, It might be worth noting the increase in the cases of measles(alone) within in the UK. some stats 1 in 10 children who contact measles now die!! Thats quite shocking. Sorry I have no reference as such. I saw it on an public advert by the NHS whilst I was in London last month. If they feel there are links to MMR then why not administer the vaccines separately (yeh ok, this is a separate topic :D )

Im against TV. Whilst I have one in the house, we VERY rarely watch it. In fact I watch approx 1 hour of TV a week. Radio - thats out too. Im in agreement with what you say. Even the news is strikingly shocking. I was watching BBC last night and every time a reporter said one thing the main host was twisting it to create a new question.

Personally, Im not really a big fan of Single faith schools as I think we all have to live together and get on. We might as well share good morals and general understanding. Society is slowly destroying this and so many people are just allowing it to happen. Those who stand up(like the parents in the situation above) may be prosecuted.

What has the world come to when those who care about their childrens upbringing instead of just dumping them on the state, actually get prosecuted. Prosecuted for Caring!!! thats a new one on me!!!
 
Its just ridiculous how you can teach 5 year olds about fags and trannies. This is the sort of crap that nurtures all these weird sexualities from a young age, then one day your kid will grow and tell you they think they're gay or lesbian or whatever. Schools over here were going to read children stories like 'the king and the king' about two gay kings having romance which is just disgusting to feed into a five year olds brain, but muslim parents managed to stop them from introducing them in the school, Which is good.

I bet soon someone from america will have their own homosexual friendly bible as well, I even read about some american homo that tried suing the author of the bible because it was cruel towards homosexuals!
 
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aadil77 said:
Its just ridiculous how you can teach 5 year olds about fags and trannies. This is the sort of crap that nurtures all these weird sexualities from a young age, then one day your kid will grow and tell you they think they're gay or lesbian or whatever. Schools over here were going to read children stories like 'the king and the king' about two gay kings having romance which is just disgusting to feed into a five year olds brain, but muslim parents managed to stop them from introducing them in the school, Which is good.

I bet soon someone from america will have their own homosexual friendly bible as well, I even read about some american homo that tried suing the author of the bible because it was cruel towards homosexuals!
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Poor show.

The authors of the bible are DEAD, they've been dead for, I believe over 1500 years, I think the last book was written somewhere like 500 something ad.
 
Clover said:
Not you, your statement yes.
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I don't see why my statement is a 'Poor show' it was all based on facts, no?

I didn't even know the bible had publishers to be honest lol, I always figured they just had manufacturing companies and editors, thanks for link
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Neither did I and it can't have been the only publisher out there, anyway I wonder how his lawsuit went, lol
 
aadil77 said:
I don't see why my statement is a 'Poor show' it was all based on facts, no?



Neither did I and it can't have been the only publisher out there, anyway I wonder how his lawsuit went, lol
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You were rude. Calling people fags is no way to dis-approve of them, I do not care if people hate others to the core, their is no room for rude behaivor.

lol, I doubt it got anywhere, I read it, its pathetic, just a way for someone to get their '15 minutes of fame' and money. It's dis-honorable the way people are willing to sue for anything these days.
 
Clover said:
You were rude. Calling people fags is no way to dis-approve of them, I do not care if people hate others to the core, their is no room for rude behaivor.
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Thats true, thanks for pointing it out
 
aadil77 said:
Its just ridiculous how you can teach 5 year olds about fags and trannies. This is the sort of crap that nurtures all these weird sexualities from a young age, then one day your kid will grow and tell you they think they're gay or lesbian or whatever. Schools over here were going to read children stories like 'the king and the king' about two gay kings having romance which is just disgusting to feed into a five year olds brain, but muslim parents managed to stop them from introducing them in the school, Which is good.
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Schools are meant to prepare children for life, promote tolerance and social cohesion, hence there are pictures of minorities in children textbooks, kids are tought how people are different, lead different lifestyles etc, I see no reason why sexual minorities should be extempt from that.
 
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Promoting ignorance on an important, worldly issue like homosexuality is promoting intolerance and hatred as Muslims are taught to "stay away" from that stuff.

I would encourage Muslim parents to let their kids see it, so that the children are open-minded. You can't just ignore homosexuality and pretend like it will go away. If Muslims grow up like a lot of Christians in America, there will just be constant gay-bashing in the name of God/Allah.

Keeping such an intolerance not only leads to violence against gays or lesbians, but increases the suicide rate. There has been a trend in America of children hanging themselves because they were teased at school for just acting feminine. What if a Muslim child were gay, but too insecure to reveal it to his or her parents? That kind of thing leads children away from their religion and possibly against it.

It's always possible that one's child might be gay or even bisexual, so keeping a tense household against that stuff really hinders a child's ability to grow up with any self-esteem.

And- this brings up a curious question. If one is a gay Muslim, are they not allowed to meet alone with the same gender rather than the opposite? (And does this apply to everything like that?)

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lol..... of course all people cant act like that.

an ideology has certain systems of belief. whether people choose to believe and practice them is up to them....

weatern so called ideology is thus.

"do as thou wilt"
"if it feels good do it"
"live for the moment"
"survival of the fittest"
"if it dont make money it dont make sense"
"men are all *******s" (just thought i'd throw it all in :) )
" love is everything"

...the above are all lies....

god is everything.... they just took the original quote, spun it, and fed it back to the people....

love is not everything.
emotional worship is another delusion.

lol....

there are also a few good ones.... but the above are from media, scientists, and genuine "leaders of the western society" and these are thought processes that are pushed and encouraged.

the common man does not come out with these.... they just adopt them.
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Have you even been to a western country? How do you know how to paint such a horrible stereotype just by watching the media? You're doing the exact same thing westerners do when they see that people in the east "hate women, rape women, stone sinners, live in sand huts, blow children and mentally retarded people up, etc."

I am so disgusted by this comment of yours, I can't even believe you are a Muslim.
 
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If members must generalise it would be better if they were on-topic.
 
Podarok said:
Promoting ignorance on an important, worldly issue like homosexuality is promoting intolerance and hatred as Muslims are taught to "stay away" from that stuff.

I would encourage Muslim parents to let their kids see it, so that the children are open-minded. You can't just ignore homosexuality and pretend like it will go away. If Muslims grow up like a lot of Christians in America, there will just be constant gay-bashing in the name of God/Allah.

Keeping such an intolerance not only leads to violence against gays or lesbians, but increases the suicide rate. There has been a trend in America of children hanging themselves because they were teased at school for just acting feminine. What if a Muslim child were gay, but too insecure to reveal it to his or her parents? That kind of thing leads children away from their religion and possibly against it.

It's always possible that one's child might be gay or even bisexual, so keeping a tense household against that stuff really hinders a child's ability to grow up with any self-esteem.

And- this brings up a curious question. If one is a gay Muslim, are they not allowed to meet alone with the same gender rather than the opposite? (And does this apply to everything like that?)



Have you even been to a western country? How do you know how to paint such a horrible stereotype just by watching the media? You're doing the exact same thing westerners do when they see that people in the east "hate women, rape women, stone sinners, live in sand huts, blow children and mentally retarded people up, etc."

I am so disgusted by this comment of yours, I can't even believe you are a Muslim.
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Promoting ignorance on an important, worldly issue like homosexuality is promoting intolerance and hatred as Muslims are taught to "stay away" from that stuff.
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worldly issues????
well what makes one from keeping his children away from porn, drugs, etc.

I would encourage Muslim parents to let their kids see it, so that the children are open-minded. You can't just ignore homosexuality and pretend like it will go away. If Muslims grow up like a lot of Christians in America, there will just be constant gay-bashing in the name of God/Allah.
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By now you should have understood that to a muslim obeying ALLAH(swt) comes before everything else, just because it will hurt some one's feeling doesn't mean we should disobey ALLAH, we stand for what is right even if it is against ourselves.
I agree with christians on what they are doing, you are the one who is misrepresenting them, they simply want to protect their children and their community from all the gay parade crap, they are not evil gay-bashing, homo-phobic nuts, no sir, they are only doing their duty to God and that is to be respected.


what is man love?
Well, the Prophet muhammad(pbuh) and the sahaba loved each other, they cared for each others well being, they smiled in the faces of each other, they would die for the sake of each other in battle.
This is the kind of man love that should be promoted, not a man ****ing and kissing another man, and then say its love, this is a perverted satisfaction of sexuality, just like mating with animals etc.
 
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there is a hadith from the prophet (SWS)
"lower your gaze"
look away from sinfulness.....

protect your children
not let them "SEE" it lol.... podorak thats a joke. u dont understand islam.
u protect them from it. therefore u veil there eyes as much as u can and hopefuly they will learn to avoid sin themselves.

your open mindedness comment = put poison and honey in the childs mind and let the child pick what it wants..... very irresponsible.

typical western ideology lol..... standard.

if a kid turns out gay he isnt muslim.
if a guy drinks alcohol he has gone against islam.
if a man fornicates before marriage he has gone against islam.

"faith is a bond of hearts not bloodties"


self esteem is not linked to tense households.
if you taught your child quran the topic of homosexuality would come up anyway. the western way of presenting it is flawed from an islamic opinion.


u cant be a muslim gay. it doesnt exist. its western disinformation.
if your gay you are not muslim. u have denounced your faith by your actions. and yes this includes other acts of major sin too.


i love u too... i am a westerner.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Schools are meant to prepare children for life, promote tolerance and social cohesion, hence there are pictures of minorities in children textbooks, kids are tought how people are different, lead different lifestyles etc, I see no reason why sexual minorities should be extempt from that.
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err well not at the age of 5, children can be so easily influenced at those young ages it can become a risk that they may shape up to become the same people they are taught about rather than naturally goin with the flow that is girls like boys and boys like girls.

If its taught at high school level to promote tolerence then thats better because that is the age level when they're gonna hit puberty and realise they may be 'born' gay (which they aren't), so thats the only relevent time to learn about it to prevent intolerence between them. Otherwise we shouldn't be in this situation where its promoted as acceptable and 'perfectly normal' at a young age and then your kids end up growing up as gays or whatever.
 
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worldly issues????
well what makes one from keeping his children away from porn, drugs, etc.
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Yes, a worldly issue. Being homosexual is not a crime, nor is it a choice. Especially if one is not religious, and so the only thing the religious can do is tolerate it.

Is Allah not most-forgiving and most-merciful even when one is born homosexual? They are not allowed to be Muslims? Does Allah not love them? Does the Qur'an not say Allah forms the child in the womb as he pleases? Of course, the only defence against this is that "it is a choice to be homosexual," which has no backing to it because the ones saying that have absolutely no experience with it- why? because they are clueless, staying away from it at all costs.

I do think gay parades are annoying and too revealing and sexual though. :exhausted But, of course, I don't have a God, so I have no concept of modesty, right? +o(
 
Podarok said:
Yes, a worldly issue. Being homosexual is not a crime, nor is it a choice. Especially if one is not religious, and so the only thing the religious can do is tolerate it.

Is Allah not most-forgiving and most-merciful even when one is born homosexual? They are not allowed to be Muslims? Does Allah not love them? Does the Qur'an not say Allah forms the child in the womb as he pleases? Of course, the only defence against this is that "it is a choice to be homosexual," which has no backing to it because the ones saying that have absolutely no experience with it- why? because they are clueless, staying away from it at all costs.

I do think gay parades are annoying and too revealing and sexual though. :exhausted But, of course, I don't have a God, so I have no concept of modesty, right? +o(
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Homosexuality is a psychological state not a biological one.. and even if they don't have a choice in whom they fall in love with, they certainly have a choice in whom they bed.. certainly sodomy is an abomination in the eyes of God and so mentioned in all religion, and it certainly is a state that defies the laws of nature if one is to forgo of religion all together for what usefulness can there be for such a state? ...

we are meant for a refined spiritual and an upright family unit type of a state of being. We are not meant for mere carnality!
 
Salaam

In Islamic education] the teacher was not only a mu’allim, a ‘transmitter of knowledge’, but also a murabbi, a ‘trainer of souls and personalities’…The Islamic educational system never divorced the training of the mind from the soul and the whole being of the person. It never considered the transmission of knowledge or its possession to be legitimate without the possession of appropriate moral and spiritual qualities.
 
Podarok said:
Yes, a worldly issue. Being homosexual is not a crime, nor is it a choice. Especially if one is not religious, and so the only thing the religious can do is tolerate it.

Is Allah not most-forgiving and most-merciful even when one is born homosexual? They are not allowed to be Muslims? Does Allah not love them? Does the Qur'an not say Allah forms the child in the womb as he pleases? Of course, the only defence against this is that "it is a choice to be homosexual," which has no backing to it because the ones saying that have absolutely no experience with it- why? because they are clueless, staying away from it at all costs.

I do think gay parades are annoying and too revealing and sexual though. :exhausted But, of course, I don't have a God, so I have no concept of modesty, right? +o(
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No one said they aren't allowed to be muslim or any of the other stuff you mentioned and its not a choice according to you.

Anyway lets not turn this into a thread about islams stance on homos

you can look to this site about gay muslims who know its a sin to practise it and islam stance on it from scholars

http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/

about modesty

Well you certainly don't have a set of guidelines to whats modest and what is not, so if you're in need of some just look to the ones set in islam
 
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