Muslim Children and Sex Education

[Amadeus85]

I hope that in my country in future they wont teach my children that two men or two women can make a family. IF they do, I would tell them in home that it's a lie and not to believe in such things promoted in schools. Personally I see homo and lesbian promotion in primary schools to a small kids as one of the most disgusting things.

 

[Wyatt]

There's no stopping the rise in tolerance and defence by western governments in support of homosexuality.

Psychological states are biological. Anything psychological happens in the brain which depends on the different chemicals and neurons.

There are gay families out there, so why would you say it is a lie? You would be lying to your children.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

err well not at the age of 5, children can be so easily influenced at those young ages it can become a risk that they may shape up to become the same people they are taught about rather than naturally goin with the flow that is girls like boys and boys like girls.

If its taught at high school level to promote tolerence then thats better because that is the age level when they're gonna hit puberty and realise they may be 'born' gay (which they aren't), so thats the only relevent time to learn about it to prevent intolerence between them. Otherwise we shouldn't be in this situation where its promoted as acceptable and 'perfectly normal' at a young age and then your kids end up growing up as gays or whatever.

There is really no proof that teaching children of any age about homosexuality will turn them gay, it may, as of yet there is no conclusive prove as to what actually causes homosexuality and whether it is biological, or a choice or whatever.
But the fact is that gays and lesbians are a reality in the western society and a certain degree of tolerance needs to be promoted in schools. 5-year-olds are taught that every culture is equal and things like that or they see pictures of interracial families and nobody is complaing.

 

[Amadeus85]

There's no stopping the rise in tolerance and defence by western governments in support of homosexuality.


There are gay families out there, so why would you say it is a lie? You would be lying to your children.

Well these kind of families exist out there, the Evil exists out there. The gays have propaganda, movie and music stars behind them (Hollywood!), money, media support and they think that they can impose Lie into the minds of the people. But at the end people as always will see their mistake, because homosexualism will bring only bad fruits.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Well these kind of families exist out there, the Evil exists out there. The gays have propaganda, movie and music stars behind them (Hollywood!), money, media support and they think that they can impose Lie into the minds of the people. But at the end people as always will see their mistake, because homosexualism will bring only bad fruits.

Of course it will, but the same as it is impossible to expel exsting muslim citizens of europe to prevent islamization it is also impossible to expel gays.

 

[alcurad]

but then, are all cultures/ways of life equal?

isn't force-in all it's shapes the only way there was, is and always be? I mean when it coms to almost anything about religion and culture, it's inherited, the only way you stop that is by force, although it might not appear to be coercion, and it isn't directly so, still pressure from certain groups which at times have more power than they 'should have' is indeed a factor, if not the main factor.

this isn't about what's right or wrong, since there never will be agreement, lack of data is always going to be an excuse, and so would be the need to respect other religions and culture.

however, these two positions are opposites, something has to give, I'd say the Muslims should start countering whatever they don't like by more effective methods,,

 

[Whatsthepoint]

but then, are all cultures/ways of life equal?

Accroding to libies, yep. And they run everything, schools, multicultural funs etc.

 

[Wyatt]

but then, are all cultures/ways of life equal?

Not according to your religion.

[Which seems like the USA, knowing what is best for other societies, trying to impose their beliefs because they know they are correct- which is memetic, and destructive. Hugely destructive.]

 

[Amadeus85]

Of course it will, but the same as it is impossible to expel exsting muslim citizens of europe to prevent islamization it is also impossible to expel gays.

Why expell gay citizens? I had a friend who was gay in a college. They are often nice and average people. But the family should be treated only as a relationship between one man and one women, just like it is since the start of our civilization.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Why expell gay citizens? I had a friend who was gay in a college. They are often nice and average people. But the family should be treated only as a relationship between one man and one women, just like it is since the start of our civilization.

Do you support homosexual unions alternative to marriage?

 

[Amadeus85]

Do you support homosexual unions alternative to marriage?

Thats a good question. Nowadays we have concubinate relationships (not sure how to write it) , not only marriages, so in democracy it could be possible to give same sex couples similar privelages. But as I said in other posts, democracy must allow same sex marriages, because this is a consequence of this system. But in an ideal political system, based on catholic teachings, even homo unions would be impossible. They could do what they want in private rooms, but no law would legalize it.

 

[جوري]

There's no stopping the rise in tolerance and defence by western governments in support of homosexuality.

Psychological states are biological. Anything psychological happens in the brain which depends on the different chemicals and neurons.

There are gay families out there, so why would you say it is a lie? You would be lying to your children.

No, not all psychological states are biological.. there are many idiopathic causes of brain mental disorders that have positively nothing to do with any genetics or a biochemical pathway.

A gay family, isn't something that is achieved by normal 'Natural' means, and certainly not acknowledged religiously.
So I fail to see how that would translate into a lie to children? You fail to recognize the difference between tolerance and allowance of this particular life style.

I can tolerate gays, I don't accept nor condone what they do as natural or religiously acceptable, it is an act of sexual deviance such as other acts of sexual deviance, 30 years out of the DSM-II and barely 30 from having been a legal crime (in the west) doesn't a normal act make it.. It just shows you what heavy lobbying plus incessant mass indoctrination can do. No more no less.

all the best

 

[alcurad]

podarock, how much do you know of my religion? just a question,,

but yes, and I'm saying no ideology is pure and clean in the sense that it doesn't call people to itself, and force them to cohere to it, in some way or other after wards, so this is a moot point, the stronger win, they control, then fall and it repeats, hasn;t much to do with forcing your opinion on ohters, everyone else does it too, in varying degrees, but it's still done.

there are timeless/absolute?-rules to history, as a society 'ages', as it becomes weaker and ready to be gobbled up by the 'barbarians at the gates', it accepts homosexuality/carnality in general more and more, homosexuality thus is not nesseciated but is a symptom of weakness, of a civilization/society that is.
this is why I at least think it's bad for the West in general to teach the young ones about it at an early age
I mean they imprint very easily, although 'deviance' from the usual maae/female pairing is easily dealt with if there isn't much pressure to the contrary, yet the West creates even more pressure, more coercion to conform to a somewhat defective sexual state, by defective I eman one that doesn't produce children, nor further the values of the traditional family, be it extended or nuclear.
note, I don't say defective as an insult.

it's hard to accept certain things, but 'truth' is not anyone's, not yet any way. the longer that is acknowledged, the better. case in point: the Western way is just one of many, neither true, nor absolute.

 

[جوري]

Do you support homosexual unions alternative to marriage?

I'd like to comment on that though I know the question isn't directed to me...
I don't see the difference between a gay marriage or a union so long as the state is secular. They are indeed in a secular society practicing hedonistic laws, I don't see how it would matter whether they put a ring on each other's fingers or not...

Problem when you practice secularism is you are not quite sure how to define a baseline.

all the best

 

[GreyKode]

I'd like to comment on that though I know the question isn't directed to me...
I don't see the difference between a gay marriage or a union so long as the state is secular. They are indeed in a secular society practicing hedonistic laws, I don't see how it would matter whether they put a ring on each other's fingers or not...

Problem when you practice secularism is you are not quite sure how to define a baseline.

all the best

I think it matters to them when they (* sigh *) adopt children. I've heard someone explaining this story about a lesbian couple, who broke up and one of them ran with their adopted kid, so the other couldn't legally do anything to get the kid back.

Plain stupid, if you ask me.

 

[Wyatt]

I think it matters to them when they (* sigh *) adopt children. I've heard someone explaining this story about a lesbian couple, who broke up and one of them ran with their adopted kid, so the other couldn't legally do anything to get the kid back.

Plain stupid, if you ask me.

Like that doesn't happen with straight couples.

 

[GreyKode]

Like that doesn't happen with straight couples.

Personally, i think giving children away by adoption to gay couples is a violation of the children's basic human rights.

 

[ghengis]

waaaaat????

u guys are crazy!!!

quran is the word of god... or have u all forgotten??

sodomy is a sin.

cheating on your husband/wife is a sin

sexual immorality is not islamic....

anything that preaches sexual immorality in any way shape or form has to be limited in the life of a muslim person.

so lets protect the kids.... and lets protect ourselves.

drink pure water and pure water only.... dont even look at filthy water.... (thats my moral-immoral metaphore) hope its understandable

 

[ghengis]

gay marriages...?? i dont comment on.... not worth wasting time thinking about...

whats the point if being gay is not allowed??

dont get lead into these crazy discussions....

in talking about gay marriage u "presuppose" that being gay is acceptable.

nip the sins in the bud.

u will find the unbelievers love contemplating sin....

" if i cheat on my wife on saturday it's ok cos wifey plays bingo on saturday... what do ya reckon jack"

these sinners are pandering for attention.....

remember the worst sin, even worse than homosexuality

is rejecting god, and committing partners to god.

remember that....

....lol

 

[alcurad]

no see, 'leading' a homosexual life style as long as it's not forced onto people's attention is 'fine' as far as laws go, you can't do anything about it under any system if you don't know it's happening, a Muslim society or a non Muslim one-defined by what general stands for laws there- would-and do-overlap there, but when it comes to adopting and children etc it's a different mater altogether.
this is getting somewhat offtopic though,,