Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

[Zafran]

And how are you going to achieve all this? Are you member of a political party?

It is very difficult to change the structure of a country. The things your stating require an Act of Parliament.

whatsthe point is dreaming and panicking - what he doent understand is that they need immigrants - thats the real problem - otherwise there would be a serious problem on the economy - far worse then it is.

secodnaly he doesnt understand that second generation muslims and far more religous then there fathers. He realy is living in a dream world.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

And how are you going to achieve all this? Are you member of a political party?

It is very difficult to change the structure of a country. The things your stating require an Act of Parliament.

Several countries in Europe have intoduced laws limiting immigration, increasing the criteria for both immigrants and asylum seekers, preventing family reunifications, banishing illegals etc. It doesn't take the BNP to do that.
And for the youth getting secularized and minorities' birth rates decreasins happens by itself andy governmental interference would imho have an adverse effect.

 

[GuestFellow]

whatsthe point is dreaming and panicking - what he doent understand is that they need immigrants - thats the real problem - otherwise there would be a serious problem on the economy - far worse then it is.

secodnaly he doesnt understand that second generation muslims and far more religous then there fathers. He realy is living in a dream world.

I agree.

The UK needs immigrants, whether they like it or not. A lot of doctors come from India. They benefit the NHS system.

Each action he wishes to impose has long-term implications that shall not benefit the society.

It will not improve international relationship at all, which is essential if UK needs to surivive. Trade shall suffer from a result of these immigration laws.

 

[Amadeus85]

Yes and they can have it in the Muslims word not here.

In democracy, is it possible to say which civilization is more valuable? I think that democratic standards allow 50 millions of european muslims to have their religious law practiced. Its a demand of the Freedom and Equality rule. And we can not talk about limitting one population of a society in a democracy. How would it sound if we said- "Let's stop immigration of jews to Europe. They are dangerous". or "Lets stop immigration of black people to Europe. They dont wanna work". In democracy we can not limit any group of population by race/religion. These are our values, that we chose and who cares if that would mean creating completely different Europe than the continent where You and me were born. People are all brothers and we are all equal.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

whatsthe point is dreaming and panicking - what he doent understand is that they need immigrants - thats the real problem - otherwise there would be a serious problem on the economy - far worse then it is.

secodnaly he doesnt understand that second generation muslims and far more religous then there fathers. He realy is living in a dream world.

We don't need them now, unemployment is high already, workers are being sent home actually.
Can you prove that the current Muslim youth is far more religious than previous generations?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

In democracy, is it possible to say which civilization is more valuable? I think that democratic standards allow 50 millions of european muslims to have their religious law practiced. Its a demand of the Freedom and Equality rule. And we can not talk about limitting one population of a society in a democracy. How would it sound if we said- "Let's stop immigration of jews to Europe. They are dangerous". or "Lets stop immigration of black people to Europe. They dont wanna work". In democracy we can not limit any group of population by race/religion. These are our values, that we chose and who cares if that would mean creating completely different Europe that the continent where You and me were born. People are all brothers and we are all equal.

Democracy doesn't not equal liberalism, multiculturalism, gay rights or anything.

 

[GuestFellow]

Can you prove that the current Muslim youth is far more religious than previous generations?

Can you disprove this claim? There is no statistical measures to disprove or prove this claim.

However from personal experience, it does feel younger generation of Muslims have become quite religion. Personally this is coming from my experience.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Can you disprove this claim? There is no statistical measures to disprove or prove this claim.

However from personal experience, it does feel younger generation of Muslims have become quite religion. Personally this is coming from my experience.

From mine it's quite the opposite, I see young Muslims drinking, fornicating outside wedlock, listening to music and lots of other haraam stuff. But we do move in different circles so our experiences don't count.
But from what I've seen in the thread "Muslims in your country", several have claimed Most Muslims in their country were non-practicing.

 

[Zafran]

We don't need them now, unemployment is high already, workers are being sent home actually.
Can you prove that the current Muslim youth is far more religious than previous generations?

Yes there was a UK documenary that showed the the next gernation are far more religous then the previous genrations - i also know this from personal experinece. Which you probaly have little of.

You need immigrants - not all are being sent back only the once that dont meet the criteria.

 

[Zafran]

From mine it's quite the opposite, I see young Muslims drinking, fornicating outside wedlock, listening to music and lots of other haraam stuff. But we do move in different circles so our experiences don't count.
But from what I've seen in the thread "Muslims in your country", several have claimed Most Muslims in their country were non-practicing.

Intresting yet you stll worry and panick lol.

ps - how do you know they fornicate?

 

[GuestFellow]

From mine it's quite the opposite, I see young Muslims drinking, fornicating outside wedlock, listening to music and lots of other haraam stuff. But we do move in different circles so our experiences don't count.

Yes I agree, personal experiences do not count.

But from what I've seen in the thread "Muslims in your country", several have claimed Most Muslims in their country were non-practicing.

Of course, Muslims are not angels/saints. They do make mistakes. At least they have come to realise they have made those mistakes and come to the forum to correct those mistakes.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Intresting yet you stll worry and panick lol.

ps - how do you know they fornicate?

I do, tehre are still Muslims immigrating and the trent may revert.
Because tehy chase girls, as well as boys actually, and they're not married.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Of course, Muslims are not angels/saints. They do make mistakes. At least they have come to realise they have made those mistakes and come to the forum to correct those mistakes.

5000 out of 30 million.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Yes there was a UK documenary that showed the the next gernation are far more religous then the previous genrations - i also know this from personal experinece. Which you probaly have little of.

You need immigrants - not all are being sent back only the once that dont meet the criteria.

Well if you're right stopping immigration is even more crucial than I thought.
Yeah I was wrong there I was refering to imported workers, those that don't apply for a resident permit or a citizenship.
We need to increase the criteria, no more unskilled labour, family reunions etc, only highly educated individuals, preferably from Latin America, India, China.

 

[Zafran]

Well if you're right stopping immigration is even more crucial than I thought.
Yeah I was wrong there I was refering to imported workers, those that don't apply for a resident permit or a citizenship.
We need to increase the criteria, no more unskilled labour, family reunions etc, only highly educated individuals, preferably from Latin America, India, China.

you did need them - you need the once that can do the low jobs - furthermore you cant stop family re unions.

 

[GuestFellow]

5000 out of 30 million.

Do those figures come from authentic sources?

The only way to prove whether a younger generation have become religious or not religious, is to carry out a research, done my impartial group.

Not all Muslims use forums to deal with their problems. Some ask family members for help, Imam for advice or even deal with the problem by themselves.

 

[Amadeus85]

I wonder is it posible in liberal democracy to say that liberal democracy is more valuable than islamic state? I seriously doubt it, as multiculturalism means that all cultures are equal, catholic civilization is equal to civilization of Mays, and protestant civilization is equal to civilization of bushmen from Africa. Saying otherwise is intolerant. In our system, the people decide whats wrong and bad, whats truth and false.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

you did need them - you need the once that can do the low jobs - furthermore you cant stop family re unions.

That's why I'm proposing limited social benefits programmes that would force hedonostic as you'd call them ritish citizens to do dirty jobs as well.
there ahve been no laws to explicitly ban them, however certain countries have introduced higher limits for an immigrant to bring their spouse into the country.

 

[Zafran]

That's why I'm proposing limited social benefits programmes that would force hedonostic as you'd call them ritish citizens to do dirty jobs as well.
there ahve been no laws to explicitly ban them, however certain countries have introduced higher limits for an immigrant to bring their spouse into the country.

You cant propose limited benefits as said before - hednostic behavour does not come from the benefit takers now does it - it comes for the people that are promoted to be high carrer minded, single and unwed.

theres no way are these guys going to do low jobs - they will believe that they are better qualified then that - creating a angry public once again.

Thats intresting about spouses - but again you can do nothing about people marrying abroad.

 

[Zafran]

I wonder is it posible in liberal democracy to say that liberal democracy is more valuable than islamic state? I seriously doubt it, as multiculturalism means that all cultures are equal, catholic civilization is equal to civilization of Mays, and protestant civilization is equal to civilization of bushmen from Africa. Saying otherwise is intolerant. In our system, the people decide whats wrong and bad, whats truth and false.

no it doesnt you openly misunderstand liberal democracy - like all governing sytems its there to protect itself and it will say that other forms of governing are wrong by labeling them anti democratic - end of story.

Multiculturalism means many cultures and civs living under one governing system - that happend in many cultures around the world in the past not just in libveral democracy.