Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

[Whatsthepoint]

If God gives you lemons... move to China.

that was only a reply suggestion. I don't really think it should be done..

 

[aadil77]

I, expel every imam who can't pass the advanced english certificate test,.

;D oh you make me laugh, but yes learning english is important and a basic at least, but what about the rest who can't pass that test?

 

[Clover]

I am against Illegal Immigration, and I am also against the idea that Immigrants should not learn the language that is most common. In my country, that is English, and I do not tolerate people who stand in front of Wal-Mart every sunday and accost people, even though they don't speak English. (Many Mexicans, and other Latino's do this, I guess it's where they like to hang out, but I have seen them whistle at girls before, when they do this, usually I yell something like "shut up moron" in Spanish, thank god for Spanish in Highschool haha)

 

[Whatsthepoint]

;D oh you make me laugh, but yes learning english is important and a basic at least, but what about the rest who can't pass that test?

Depends on their position and legal status.

 

[Muezzin]

;D oh you make me laugh, but yes learning english is important and a basic at least, but what about the rest who can't pass that test?

Well, mashallah, because the British Muslim community is expanding with people of non-Indo-Pakistani origin, I think it's important that imams should be able to speak English in order to be understood by the congregation.

EDIT: Also, as Clover has said, it goes without saying that immigrants to any country should learn its dominant language. It's common sense.

 

[Zafran]

I don't have to inherently support minorities rights either, do I?
I know, but I'm not yet saying we should try to raise it.
We close the door for new Muslims, including imams, expel every imam who can't pass the advanced english certificate test, try to non-agressively secularize the Muslim population, or let the process go by itself, but to do that Britain should stop all foreign affairs that may negatively affect its Muslim community.
The Muslims birth rate should settle down, as it is already doing, more Muslims women are studying, Muslims strice for higher standard which requires more money etc.
Then we bring south Americans, or Buddhists, or Poles. someone who will integrate better.

Poles are going back anyway and furthermore you do have to takecare of the minorities in a liberal democracy - you dont have to agree with them but you have to look after them - thats the responsibilty of the majority

Homosexuality/leagl prositiution will hinder birth rates and have more negatives then positive anyway - why not bring back the importnace of marriage and children and family and increase child benfites for bigger families.

You can try closing the doors on new muslims and Imams but they are needed anyway and they will come in one way or another.

 

[Zafran]

Yes you can, by family renuions I am referring to legal immigrants bringing their families to the UK.
Yes, but let's have the Poles instead!

You cant stop that anyway especially if the family member is very close and in trouble and needs looking after.

The poles are going back anyway - they dont want to come in anymore!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Poles are going back anyway and furthermore you do have to takecare of the minorities in a liberal democracy - you dont have to agree with them but you have to look after them - thats the responsibilty of the majority

Homosexuality/leagl prositiution will hinder birth rates and have more negatives then positive anyway - why not bring back the importnace of marriage and children and family and increase child benfites for bigger families.

You can try closing the doors on new muslims and Imams but they are needed anyway and they will come in one way or another.

Well, from my point of view the growing number of Muslims has more negatives than positives.
Then the law enforcment concerning imams needs to be strenghtened.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

You cant stop that anyway especially if the family member is very close and in trouble and needs looking after.

The poles are going back anyway - they dont want to come in anymore!

You can, or at least set high legal limits for a family member to be legally brought to the country.
What about Brazillians?

 

[Zafran]

Well, from my point of view the growing number of Muslims has more negatives than positives.
Then the law enforcment concerning imams needs to be strenghtened.

Imams arnt a threat anyway - has you agreed its a failure on your own part to breed less - as the choices go Hedonism vs sacrifice - its realy as simple as that - you need to re check the majoirty lifestyle.

 

[Zafran]

You can, or at least set high legal limits for a family member to be legally brought to the country.
What about Brazillians?

I honestly ahve to tell you that if there was anyone that could take the muslims place i'm sure the government would have done it - in reality you can try and see if Brazilians even want to come to the UK - although its highly unlikely.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Imams arnt a threat anyway - has you agreed its a failure on your own part to breed less - as the choices go Hedonism vs sacrifice - its realy as simple as that - you need to re check the majoirty lifestyle.

They are, though the word I originally used was a problem.
It is a failure, I already said that, but it doesn't mean the only way to protect the european identity is through higher birth rates.

 

[Clover]

Also, I have no problem with heavy muslim immigration to the U.S. unless they:

1. Try to enforce Sharia Law in the U.S.
2. Try to make their religion the National Religion.
3. Use violence to drive out non-believers

Other then that, I don't mind marrying one, as long as she is close to my age, beatiful, and smart. +I gotta love her, but that really narrows it down haha

 

[Zafran]

They are, though the word I originally used was a problem.
It is a failure, I already said that, but it doesn't mean the only way to protect the european identity is through higher birth rates.

its realy through self sacrifices eg less hednostic lifestyle - the question is are you ready to do it?

 

[Zafran]

Also, I have no problem with heavy muslim immigration to the U.S. unless they:

1. Try to enforce Sharia Law in the U.S.
2. Try to make their religion the National Religion.
3. Use violence to drive out non-believers

Other then that, I don't mind marrying one, as long as she is close to my age, beatiful, and smart. +I gotta love her, but that really narrows it down haha

maybe you should also check out the right wing evengelicals - they are a force to be reckoned with especially to secular america.

Muslims in america are also heavily integrated anyway so you dont realy have a problem - some great muslims come from america.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I honestly ahve to tell you that if there was anyone that could take the muslims place i'm sure the government would have done it - in reality you can try and see if Brazilians even want to come to the UK - although its highly unlikely.

There is a lot of Brazilians in the UK, more than Turks or Egyptians, but most come from former British colonis anyway.

 

[Clover]

maybe you should also check out the right wing evengelicals - they are a force to be reckoned with especially to secular america.

haha, they are never gonna get through cause people are growing brains, and plus they are a dying breed, at least, from what I've seen.

 

[Zafran]

haha, they are never gonna get through cause people are growing brains, and plus they are a dying breed, at least, from what I've seen.

I heard they were increasing - but you live there so you'll probably know more.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

its realy through self sacrifices eg less hednostic lifestyle - the question is are you ready to do it?

I don't think that would work. We'll just have to find another way.

 

[Zafran]

There is a lot of Brazilians in the UK, more than Turks or Egyptians, but most come from former British colonis anyway.

Thats where all immigerrants come atleast most of them from former British colonies - to name some others - Hong kong, south africa.