Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

[Whatsthepoint]

so ur not concerned about a large hindu or sikh or jew population, just a large muslim population?

There is no large hindu or sikh or jew population, whereas Muslims are at 8% and growing.

 

[S_87]

There is no large hindu or sikh or jew population, whereas Muslims are at 8% and growing.

and how is that worrying. and say u stopped immigrants coming in from certain countries *i dont know which ones youd do specifically* but english people reverted...how would you stop that?

 

[Amadeus85]

those are the reason I am against additional influx of Muslims. I want Europe remains a secular, liberal, multicultural, pluralistic,demcoratic as it is now. However, certain sacrifices need to be done on part of the very ideals I wish to perserve.

I was also thinking like that for a long time, but lately I changed my mind. Democracy is a good, comfortable system that provides economic welfare. But if we would like to strictly abide the democratic system in nowadays Europe its all lost because they would take over countries in democratic elections. Especially when our liberals and socialists already look for muslim Obamas. I say it with ensurance that if we want to have democracy in Europe through this century we can already dig big hole for our continent.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

and how is that worrying. and say u stopped immigrants coming in from certain countries *i dont know which ones youd do specifically* but english people reverted...how would you stop that?

I wouldn't and there's no need to really, the number converts is small compared to immigrants and new generations of immigrants born in the host country.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I was also thinking like that for a long time, but lately I changed my mind. Democracy is a good, comfortable system that provides economic welfare. But if we would like to strictly abide the democratic system in nowadays Europe its all lost because they would take over countries in democratic elections. Especially when our liberals and socialists already look for muslim Obamas. I say it with ensurance that if we want to have democracy in Europe through this century we can already dig big hole for our continent.

So what do you propse indtead? A christian dictatorship? I remember you mentioned Franco and Salazar as viable options not too long ago. Well, I'd rather have an Islamic state than that.
But ideally, Europe should be a secular, democratic, liberal, multiethnic continent with no minorities threating to overthrow it, which includes Muslims, extreme Catholics, communists..

 

[crayon]

"Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'"

Oh the drama.

how

Neuter 'em, I say!

 

[Al-Zaara]

Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

It's not the quantity that counts, but the quality.

And the quality is a mess.

 

[ardianto]

May I know how many Anglo Muslim in Britain ? I mean British caucasian Muslim. I have seen some photos from Viva Palestine departure ceremony, and I saw almost all of Muslim in those photos have middle east faces.

(Just wondering, was there LI member in those photos ?)

 

[sister herb]

I don´t know how increasing amount of muslims in Europe would threaten the democracy at all. Is it threat only when people pray in mosques by the name of Allah but not when people pray in churches by the name of God?

:rollseyes

 

[Amadeus85]

those are the reason I am against additional influx of Muslims. I want Europe remains a secular, liberal, multicultural, pluralistic,demcoratic as it is now. However, certain sacrifices need to be done on part of the very ideals I wish to perserve.

This contradicts itself. In liberal democracy, You cant persecute anyone based on religion/race/skin colour. In liberal democracy You cant forbid gays to adopt children, as well as You cant forbid a muslim to be a prime minister who then opens the gates to immigrants. Actually in liberal democracy, Your words about limitting the number of muslims to Europe are unaccaptable. This is the language of Jorg Heider, language of fascism. In liberal democracy such issues like the ethnic or religious features are unacceptable. This is the strict following of "Freedom,Equality,Brotherhood". At last in liberal democracy it doesnt matter if a country Slovakia is inhabited by 3 millions of sympathic Pakistanis. Any words warning against it are undemocratic, they are fascist. This is the legacy of "Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité". That is why this girl supports this rule in France, although that in Morocco she would treat it as Kufr idea.

 

[KAding]

I'll be honest, I'm not thrilled by such news. Islamic ideals and societal principles are simply not mine. It is not individualistic enough and freedom is simply not one of its priorities. There also seem so many Muslims that are unhappy with the society they live in, that I believe that a large increase in the number of pious Muslim will IMHO lead to more social conflict and more clashes.

Btw, how did the atheist population evolve over those 4 years? From the stats it appears atheists are also overrepresented in younger age groups. Besides, I oppose this idea that children of less then 4 years old can have a religion! At best they are born in a certain religious background. But plenty of Muslims turn away from their religion when they grow up and stop practicing.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

This contradicts itself. In liberal democracy, You cant persecute anyone based on religion/race/skin colour. In liberal democracy You cant forbid gays to adopt children, as well as You cant forbid a muslim to be a prime minister who then opens the gates to immigrants. Actually in liberal democracy, Your words about limitting the number of muslims to Europe are unaccaptable. This is the language of Jorg Heider, language of fascism. In liberal democracy such issues like the ethnic or religious features are unacceptable. This is the strict following of "Freedom,Equality,Brotherhood". At last in liberal democracy it doesnt matter if a country Slovakia is inhabited by 3 millions of sympathic Pakistanis. Any words warning against it are undemocratic, they are fascist. This is the legacy of "Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité". That is why this girl supports this rule in France, although that in Morocco she would treat it as Kufr idea.

Yeh, what I'm saying is that liberal decoracy needs to be adapted in order to make it sustainable.

 

[KAding]

Yeh, what I'm saying is that liberal decoracy needs to be adapted in order to make it sustainable.

Reminds me of a friend of mine. He always kept saying: "liberal democracy is not a suicide pact".

The irony of it all is that Muslims now depend on liberal ideals of freedom to defend their way of life while they are a minority. Yet, these freedoms are not at all part of Islamic political ideals. Dawaah stalls and freedom to build mosques are nice, but an atheist 'Dawaah stall' in a Muslim majority country is unthinkable.

 

[crayon]

I'll be honest, I'm not thrilled by such news. Islamic ideals and societal principles are simply not mine. It is not individualistic enough and freedom is simply not one of its priorities. There also seem so many Muslims that are unhappy with the society they live in, that I believe that a large increase in the number of pious Muslim will IMHO lead to more social conflict and more clashes.

Perhaps more muslims (especially indigenous ones) would make the rest of society realize that "hey, these muslims actually belong here, perhaps we should try to figure out how to peacefully coexist with them?". Perhaps they would be more encouraged to solve problems with the muslim community if they were more large scale?

 

[KAding]

Perhaps more muslims (especially indigenous ones) would make the rest of society realize that "hey, these muslims actually belong here, perhaps we should try to figure out how to peacefully coexist with them?". Perhaps they would be more encouraged to solve problems with the muslim community if they were more large scale?

True, we have no choice. We have to coexist, there is no alternative. There will have to be compromises. Again, there is no alternative. As Muslims increase their electoral clout they will gain influence, this is a fact of life.

IMHO the most important aspect here is to avoid social issues from getting out of hand. We got an increasingly large group of non-Muslim British radicalizing in opposition to Muslim migration. In response we have Muslims radicalizing as well.

We need to make sure our societies don't turn into a Lebanon or Northern Ireland. Or heck, even an India, where thousands die each year in all kinds of structural religious and ethnic violence. Sure, it seems far away and unlikely in a rich stable country like Britain. But lets not forget that European history is filled with religious violence and civil unrest. It would be silly to assume we are now somehow immune from it.

 

[KAding]

This contradicts itself. In liberal democracy, You cant persecute anyone based on religion/race/skin colour. In liberal democracy You cant forbid gays to adopt children, as well as You cant forbid a muslim to be a prime minister who then opens the gates to immigrants. Actually in liberal democracy, Your words about limitting the number of muslims to Europe are unaccaptable. This is the language of Jorg Heider, language of fascism. In liberal democracy such issues like the ethnic or religious features are unacceptable. This is the strict following of "Freedom,Equality,Brotherhood". At last in liberal democracy it doesnt matter if a country Slovakia is inhabited by 3 millions of sympathic Pakistanis. Any words warning against it are undemocratic, they are fascist. This is the legacy of "Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité". That is why this girl supports this rule in France, although that in Morocco she would treat it as Kufr idea.

Well, if your goal is to prevent the growth of Islam in Europe, the only policy measure you can reasonably pursue is putting strict controls on Muslim immigration. Any other measure will without doubt be illiberal, discriminatory and thus oppressive, because you'll be infringing of the rights of Muslim citizens. This is IMHO unacceptable.

That is why immigration controls is the only policy I support.

 

[جوري]

It is inevitable and the only choices I see for Europe, is to be constantly engaged in wars creating public hysteria with home made bombs and terrorist threats that they attribute to Muslims, so that there is a constant schism and hatred, whereby they justify their oppressions and murders overseas whilst doing what they have done best for centuries which is steal the wealth of other nations to support their habits 'under the guise of freedom' of course.. but fact of the matter is, with the current economic crisis promising to continue.. they will have no choice but to a real war on their hands, where the other group is pushed hard enough and has had enough, and I reckon it will not be pretty.. not really as a matter of resources but sheer number and drive of the 'enemy'.

and I believe that is exactly what will happen!

all the best

 

[Zafran]

Salaam

people are panicking - this news shows that stopping Immigartion doesnt mean anything - what about the non muslims - why dont you start to producing more children?? The Question also has to eb asked why are the other groups not increasing so much - if they are at all.

peace

 

[The Ruler]

Muslim mothers probably pop out 10 times more kids than other mothers. So the stats isn't surprising at all.

 

[جوري]

The core of secularism:
advocates freedoms as such it is beginning to backfire on them...
to be homosexual, to sleep around and not commit to a woman, to drink alcohol, to have children via insemination if at all.. none of these foster a family unit.. I bring up alcohol amongst others because it can lower sperm count. Actually each thing I have mentioned up which goes against Islamic principles also thwarts their own effort at a homogeneous Europe but they are not realizing that they are in fact bringing it upon themselves but desire a scapegoat in the form of 'Muslims' for it is easier to blame their own failures than own up to them!