Muslim teacher suspended over handshake

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^ actually now they've gone down to the level where they hav these unisex toilets :heated:

wont b long b4 they ban cubicles n hav those 'open' toilet things +o( and after that they'll prob tell ppl 'animals n humans r equal,just go do it under a tree.. just like a dog' :vomit:
 
The teacher is refusing to adopt the local culture.

Everybody who has ever travelled is happy to follow the local customs - except Muslims.

Then Muslims claim they are being discriminated against. Then wonder why they gat bad press.
 
^ so where does your multi-culturulism fit in if everyone's suppose 2 abide by the culture of where they go to :?

silly boy..
 
Joe98 said:
Everybody who has ever travelled is happy to follow the local customs - except Muslims.
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Really? How come once i heard on the news that this American woman who had to go to Saudi asked for special permission from her government so that she wouldnt have to wear a head scarf in the place she was going? (knowing that it was compulosry for women to where the head scarf in that place?)

She was very happy to follow the customs wasnt she? NOT!
 
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That’s crazy & stupid!! I had an interview recently, and Alhamdulilah i managed not to shake his hand by filling my hands with loads of books!! lol

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^ lol smart, i once avoided it by pretending i didnt see the guys hand ;D
 
Trumble said:
I can't see anything other than a sexist motivation for the difference between men and women, but if that's they way it is in Islam and the teacher is happy with that, so be it.

I can't see why anybody should be forced to shake hands with anybody if they don't wish to. I think the "officials" are wrong purely on the grounds of personal liberty and freedom of choice, rather than religious discrimination.
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LOL...

people are such jokers..


yes yes its sexist see we think women are dirty so we dont touch them ok!?

oh sorry no! or is it the women who thinks men are dirty so she dont touch them??

oh no wait!!

we think women are not worthy to touch men!!!

or hold up!

is it that men are not worthy to touch women???

hmmm...

cant be anything to do with respect...nah thats absurd!!

whats respect got to do with touching a women!???

must be sexist!!!

**** muslim men making there women do things!!!

oh wait it was the womens decison!??

poor thing she was probably beaten into not shaking hands with people!!

how sexist!!

lol just messin...
 
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cheese said:
^ lol smart, i once avoided it by pretending i didnt see the guys hand ;D
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Alhamdulilah, theres loads of ways to avoid the handshake. you could try explaning to them that its not allowed in islam, and you don't have the right to shake their hands...etc

It's a chance for dawah sisters!!

:)

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^ looool sis umm salamah hahaha.. jazakilah khayr.

ya tru sis cihad... y do sis's think they're the only ones challenged :p
 
Joe98 said:
The teacher is refusing to adopt the local culture.

Everybody who has ever travelled is happy to follow the local customs - except Muslims.

Then Muslims claim they are being discriminated against. Then wonder why they gat bad press.
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Why do some westerners/non muslim contradict themselves? Does applying 'human rights' not cover personal/religious freedom then? The freedom to practice your faith?

As for travellers being happy to follow local customs - remember for one, they are not living there and neither is their religion forbidding them from adopting another custom. Secondly muslims living in non muslim countries have also compromised certain practices of their faith (like the call to prayer via loud-speakers in mosques) in order to not cause disturbance to non muslims living there.

If the practice of beliefs is allowed then it should also be accepted that muslims can't or won't compromise their religion over culture. You wouldn't see a Jew eating pig meat to 'fit in' just because his host has served it for dinner. Sikhs are allowed to wear the Kirpan (ceremonial sword) even though for the rest of us carrying an 'offensive' weapon is illegal. No one bats an eyelid until it comes to muslims wanting to practice their faith.

And then you wonder why muslims feel discriminated against.



An extract from a nun's autobiography:
During these months we received instruction in the holy rule and in the 3 vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. The chapter of the holy rule on chastity was remarkable in that it dealt with virtually everything except sex. It began:

"The sisters shall live in the congregation as the angels live in heaven, that is, their life is to be altogether interior and spiritual and detached from everything sensual."

It went on. We were never to look at another person in the eyes. We were never to touch another person. We were never to converse with one person alone, ie, we were to be in company of three or more. We were to have no 'particular friendships'. We were to have no unnecessary conversations with males 'whether lay or ecclesiastical'. For necessary conversations another sister was to be present and report to the superior.

I'm sure no one would've expected this nun to compromise her beliefs. Quite understandably too. As long as she isn't a muslim! :offended:

Peace.
 
One problem we all have to face is this clash of religion and culture. We do need to be sensitive of the views of our friends and co-workers that are in a a culture that has customs that differ from our religous beliefs. the difficulty is in how to do it with out appearing to be arrogant or aloof.

One of the best ways is through education. Plus we ourselves must be knowledgable about the cultures of the societies we live and work in. We must never take offense at a person for doing what is acceptable in their culture. Remember we are the ones that are doing things that differ from the general population.

I think the first thing we must do is to act with honesty and openess. Not try to avoid the issues by making excuses about not doing something. Let us give people credit for having sufficient intelligence to respect our beliefs and let us return the favor by acknowledging their right to their beliefs.

Sadly too many of us tend to hide the fact we are Muslim when in a non-Muslim setting. This only adds to confusion when later it is learned we are Muslim.

I believe our best first step is to promote general awareness about our restrictions. Certainly most people we know would not offer us a pork chop once they are aware of our restrictions against eating it. So it can be with handshaking. I think it is far better to let people know we do not shake hands with members of the opposite gender than it is to find excuses not to shake their hand. I can also see how we would offend people if we were to cover our hand and then shake hands, far better to not shake the hand then do that.

It is a two way street, if we do not wish to be offended by others we need to learn not to offend them. People can acknowledge our restrictions, if they know about them. We can not be offended if a person is unaware of them. It is our individual duty to let people know what we can not do and why we can't. A little sharing of knowledge can go a long ways to keeping friendly relationships.
 
Joe98 said:
The teacher is refusing to adopt the local culture.

Everybody who has ever travelled is happy to follow the local customs - except Muslims.

Then Muslims claim they are being discriminated against. Then wonder why they gat bad press.
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So if you went to a remote village in the Amazon, would you take part in their rites of passage involving for example putting your arm in a hollow log full of stinging insects, simply because of 'when in Rome do as the Romans do'?

In the case of this lady, I think the school looks worse than her - suspending an employee because they won't shake someone's hand? Calm down, Ebeneezer.
 
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whats so sexist about this? and sexist to whom?

woman shake hand with woman
man shake hand with man

no problem or sexism issue there
 
glo said:
If anybody felt compelled to cover his hand with a cloth before shaking mine, I'd be so offended! :uuh: :(
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LOL - Well might be a good idea if they've just emerged from the toilet and they've not washed them!
 
Joe98 said:
The teacher is refusing to adopt the local culture.

Everybody who has ever travelled is happy to follow the local customs - except Muslims.

Then Muslims claim they are being discriminated against. Then wonder why they gat bad press.
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I live in the UK - which is known in Europe for binge drinking. I also happen to live in Cardiff - which in a recent survey (by MensHealth I believe) was found to be the 'binge drinking capital of the UK'.

To anyone who lives here, its obvious 'binge drinking' is local custom - its all thats talked about during the week.

Binge drinking also costs the country millions in terms of health care (destoyed liver and injuries inccured while drunk), policing and other various ways (vandalism etc...).

I choose not to adopt this 'local custom', 1)because my religion forbids it and 2) i find morally objectionable.

Is this wrong in any way?

The women who chose to not shake the mans hand did so because 1)her religion forbids and 2)she finds it morally objectionable. Theres no reason that people must touch. I, likewise, choose not to shake the hand of strange woman (as in non-familiar - I'm not saying she's abnormal).

Choosing not to adopt local custom isn't wrong.
 

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