Muslim women resent Western disrespect – Gallup Poll

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Hmm, but this group appears to be very small. It is estimated that in the Netherlands they number a few thousands, out of a population of 1 million Muslims. It is true the majority of these converts are women, mostly because they have married a Muslim. It does not make sense to deduce general attitudes from women about Islam based on the actions of a few hundred women converts.

The numbers may be small, but more women are converting to Islam than women converting to Chrsitianity. You havent denied that that its highest among Western women, so I suppose my point is in agreement.

It is clear that Westerners overwhelmingly believe Islam is oppressive to women.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_...,+poll+shows

Relevance? Muslims have hostility in similar numbers. Gallup polls shows that most Muslim women believe West shows disrespect to women. It sure doesnt make sense to think the poll takes are right (for both polls). Polls merely illustrate opinion, dont distort facts my depending on polls.

 

[Immunity]

Sexual intercourse and pregnancy for instance.

Disagree. Premarital sex, homosexuality, alcohol, abortion, rape, spread of STDs, unwanted baby, birth control, and "whoredom" are not things to be admired by society. Go clean your intentions.

Why do you think that? A woman can walk down the street in the West and not get harrassed despite the porn everywhere. Try that in Egypt or any other Middle Eastern country - hijab on or not. The more than Indonesia adopts Middle Eastern Islam, the more Middle Eastern it will become. Go to Egypt. See what you are going to turn Indonesia into.

Explain why America has one of the highest rape rates. Dont get mad at facts. The major problem with these countries is poverty -- comprende?

 

[HeiGou]

Sexual intercourse and pregnancy for instance.

Disagree. Premarital sex, homosexuality, alcohol, abortion, rape, spread of STDs, unwanted baby, birth control, and "whoredom" are not things to be admired by society. Go clean your intentions.

May I make a suggestion as politely as I can - why don't you read what I write and reply to that rather than some weird fantasy invention of your own?

Why do you think that? A woman can walk down the street in the West and not get harrassed despite the porn everywhere. Try that in Egypt or any other Middle Eastern country - hijab on or not. The more than Indonesia adopts Middle Eastern Islam, the more Middle Eastern it will become. Go to Egypt. See what you are going to turn Indonesia into.

Explain why America has one of the highest rape rates. Dont get mad at facts. The major problem with these countries is poverty -- comprende?

America does not. Not even by a long shot. And Muslims grossly under report rape anyway. A third of Bangladeshi women report their first sexual experience was "forced" but that does not get close to the official figures.

You have not shown me a fact to get mad at yet. They are all mine.

Poverty does not make young men hang around on street corners harassing women. Just maybe if they stopped hanging around on street corners and got jobs they would not have such a problem with poverty?

 

[Immunity]

May I make a suggestion as politely as I can - why don't you read what I write and reply to that rather than some weird fantasy invention of your own?

Elaborate. I dont see any harm in restricting premarital sex.

America does not. Not even by a long shot. And Muslims grossly under report rape anyway. A third of Bangladeshi women report their first sexual experience was "forced" but that does not get close to the official figures.

http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php

The United States has the highest rape rate among countries which report such statistics. It is 4 times higher than that of Germany, 13 times higher than that of England and 20 times higher than that of Japan.

Thus the US, has the highest rape rate among Western and economically advanced nations. So your claim about the US is wrong.

Numbers speak volumes.

Poverty does not make young men hang around on street corners harassing women. Just maybe if they stopped hanging around on street corners and got jobs they would not have such a problem with poverty?

The Economic state of most Muslim countries is improving. Maybe you should do something called "research"?

You have repeatedly posted baseless claims that have been shot down by evidence. Please know what you're talking about.

 

[HeiGou]

May I make a suggestion as politely as I can - why don't you read what I write and reply to that rather than some weird fantasy invention of your own?

Elaborate. I dont see any harm in restricting premarital sex.

Why? If you're merely looking for a fight and are going to lie about what I have said, or ignore it completely, why should I bother? Read what I wrote, and try replying to it and maybe we can have a conversation.

America does not. Not even by a long shot. And Muslims grossly under report rape anyway. A third of Bangladeshi women report their first sexual experience was "forced" but that does not get close to the official figures.

http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php

The United States has the highest rape rate among countries which report such statistics. It is 4 times higher than that of Germany, 13 times higher than that of England and 20 times higher than that of Japan.​

Thus the US, has the highest rape rate among Western and economically advanced nations. So your claim about the US is wrong.

Numbers speak volumes.

No my claim is not wrong. You lied, you got caught out, you have backtracked. Now you are restricting it to Western and economically advanced countries. I wonder why?

Poverty does not make young men hang around on street corners harassing women. Just maybe if they stopped hanging around on street corners and got jobs they would not have such a problem with poverty?

The Economic state of most Muslim countries is improving. Maybe you should do something called "research"?

Same old insults and dishonesty.

You have repeatedly posted baseless claims that have been shot down by evidence. Please know what you're talking about.

Mr Pot, paging Mr Kettle.

 

[Looking4Peace]

The U.K and the United States have the highest rates of rapes for an industrialized educated country, please do not argue this fact, a women has a higher chance of being raped here then getting stung by a bee or hit by a car, partly because how men view women ass objects and partly because of how they dress and present themselves.

 

[Immunity]

Why? If you're merely looking for a fight and are going to lie about what I have said, or ignore it completely, why should I bother? Read what I wrote, and try replying to it and maybe we can have a conversation.

Why would I lie to something that already doesnt make sense? It is you who is trying to divert.

No my claim is not wrong. You lied, you got caught out, you have backtracked. Now you are restricting it to Western and economically advanced countries. I wonder why?

I have not lied. You claim that the fact that America does not have one of the highest rape rate is not true:

Explain why America has one of the highest rape rates. Dont get mad at facts. The major problem with these countries is poverty -- comprende?

America does not. Not even by a long shot.

Liar --- exposed.

Same old insults and dishonesty.

Ok, I apoligize. That post was uncalled.

Mr Pot, paging Mr Kettle.

That makes as much sense as most of your posts.

 

[Looking4Peace]

as u can see the united states and u.k are near the top while the islamic and asian countries are at the bottom with the lowest rates on this pages findings, and i have more sites coming that might be more legit and accurate but i know this for a fact, i have taken classes dealing with this issue

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes

 

[Immunity]

as u can see the united states and u.k are near the top while the islamic and asian countries are at the bottom with the lowest rates on this pages findings, and i have more sites coming that might be more legit and accurate but i know this for a fact, i have taken classes dealing with this issue

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

HeiGu doesnt acknowlege concrete facts that oppose his distorted view.

 

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Explain why America has one of the highest rape rates. Dont get mad at facts. The major problem with these countries is poverty -- comprende?[/QUOTE]

I am willing to bet the the high rate has a lot to do with the report rate. I have no doubt that in many parts of the world, the majority of rapes are not reported.

 

[Looking4Peace]

another

http://christianparty.net/rapereportsworldwide.htm

as u can see the u.s is up there with the highest from within the countries that were picked for here.

 

[Looking4Peace]

why cant anyone admit that the u.s has such a problem with rape, can we deny that women are treated like slabs of meat? i mean what kind of bubble do some of you live in, almost every girl i know has been raped (thankfully not me)or sexually harassed in some form, all americans, whether it was date rape, on the work or in school sexual harassment, i remember boys in jr high school groping at me (except i was an animal and attacked them), give me a break, such denile its sickening.

 

[Muezzin]

why cant anyone admit that the u.s has such a problem with rape, can we deny that women are treated like slabs of meat? i mean what kind of bubble do some of you live in, almost every girl i know has been raped (thankfully not me)or sexually harassed in some form, all americans, whether it was date rape, on the work or in school sexual harassment, i remember boys in jr high school groping at me (except i was an animal and attacked them), give me a break, such denile its sickening.

Not to sound Uncle Tom-ish, but every place where males and females coexist has a problem with sexual harassment.

 

[Looking4Peace]

You may have a point, but in a society where men are not taught to respect women dont you agree it will be 10 times worse, i mean women get attacked just walking to the store in broad daylight, there doesnt have to be mingling for it to happen always.

 

[virago]

This discussion is getting nowhere

 

[Looking4Peace]

Yea but environment still plays a big role i mean in the MSA organizations there is mixing for certain events and meeting but very proffesional here, muslims have respect for each other and the guys do not rape the women, while go to your average frat or sorierty house organization and girls are constantly raped, do u see my comparison, its the values and what people are taught, being a revert this became very apparent to me really quick

 

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I am willing to bet the the high rate has a lot to do with the report rate. I have no doubt that in many parts of the world, the majority of rapes are not reported.

There is no concrete support for that, so all available statistics are legitimate.

Regardless, America has THE HIGHEST RAPE RATE among all Western nations and economically developed countries (ie. democracy as well), including Japan. Numbers can speak for themselves.

 

[KAding]

The numbers may be small, but more women are converting to Islam than women converting to Chrsitianity. You havent denied that that its highest among Western women, so I suppose my point is in agreement.

Well, yes. But that wasn't the issue.

Relevance? Muslims have hostility in similar numbers. Gallup polls shows that most Muslim women believe West shows disrespect to women. It sure doesnt make sense to think the poll takes are right (for both polls). Polls merely illustrate opinion, dont distort facts my depending on polls.

Ehm. Of course it is relevant. I initially said: "Western women no doubt believe Muslim women are being oppressed". My point was exactly that the majority of Westerners think Islam is oppressive to women. How can that link then not be relevant? You on the other hand started talking about converts, which is hardly relevant at all, since it has nothing to do with the majority opinion of Western women!

 

[Immunity]

"Western women no doubt believe Muslim women are being oppressed". My point was exactly that the majority of Westerners think Islam is oppressive to women. How can that link then not be relevant? You on the other hand started talking about converts, which is hardly relevant at all, since it has nothing to do with the majority opinion of Western women!

Apologies. I misread your post. I agree with that fact.

 

[KAding]

I agree, that's why in Islam the cure is segregation.

Well, I would agree it would work, but I would say it's a draconian solution. While rape is obviously a problem, it is still very rare and segregating all women and men is excessive.