Muslim women resent Western disrespect – Gallup Poll

[HeiGou]

The U.K and the United States have the highest rates of rapes for an industrialized educated country, please do not argue this fact, a women has a higher chance of being raped here then getting stung by a bee or hit by a car, partly because how men view women ass objects and partly because of how they dress and present themselves.

That is not true either,

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

#1 South Africa 1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2 Seychelles 0.788294 per 1,000 people
#3 Australia 0.777999 per 1,000 people
#4 Montserrat 0.749384 per 1,000 people
#5 Canada 0.733089 per 1,000 people
#6 Jamaica 0.476608 per 1,000 people
#7 Zimbabwe 0.457775 per 1,000 people
#8 Dominica 0.34768 per 1,000 people
#9 United States 0.301318 per 1,000 people
#10 Iceland 0.246009 per 1,000 people
#11 Papua New Guinea 0.233544 per 1,000 people
#12 New Zealand 0.213383 per 1,000 people
#13 United Kingdom 0.142172 per 1,000 people
#14 Spain 0.140403 per 1,000 people
#15 France 0.139442 per 1,000 people
#16 Korea, South 0.12621 per 1,000 people​

And it may have something to do with how the government defines rape and how much women are encouraged to come forward and report rape.

I find it extremely unlikely that a woman has a higher chance of being raped than hit by a car. What is your evidence? And there does not seem to be much of a connection between how men view women and rape much less how they dress. Mis-communication seems to be the biggest risk factor in the US.

 

[HeiGou]

why cant anyone admit that the u.s has such a problem with rape, can we deny that women are treated like slabs of meat? i mean what kind of bubble do some of you live in, almost every girl i know has been raped (thankfully not me)or sexually harassed in some form, all americans, whether it was date rape, on the work or in school sexual harassment, i remember boys in jr high school groping at me (except i was an animal and attacked them), give me a break, such denile its sickening.

Yes we can deny that. Because for every Brittany Spears, America also has a Ruth Bader Ginsberg. America allows women a range of options, and being treated as a sex object is admittedly one of them. I notice the inherent, well what is the phrase?, convenience of confusing "rape" with "sexually harassed". There is a world of difference between being raped and whistled at. But if you think America has a problem you are welcome to walk through the streets in Morocco or Turkey and see what sexual harassment really is. I think the really sickening denial is not coming from this side of the Forum. The bottom line is that you can see America and the West are safer for women. The streets are full of drunken women late into the night in the West. If there was a real risk of rape they would not go out, and they would not drink. Most Muslim countries enforce tighter restrictions on women than Islamic law demands. Clearly women are voting with their feet and they are voting in favor of the West being safer. But don't take my word for it. Go to Cairo. Go to Tehran. Learn for yourself.

 

[sevgi]

turkey actually has a really low level of rape and sectual harrassment...ive walked through the streets millions and zillions of times and get more sectual harrasment in australia--ie, whistling etc...dont pull out countries you no little or nothing about brother...

 

[sevgi]

and i dnt no why ive been spellin sexual as sectual???

 

[HeiGou]

turkey actually has a really low level of rape and sectual harrassment...ive walked through the streets millions and zillions of times and get more sectual harrasment in australia--ie, whistling etc...dont pull out countries you no little or nothing about brother...

I have walked through the streets of Istanbul as well and persistent harassment of women, especially East Asian women, is extremely common. As for the rape rate, how can you tell in Turkey given honor killings? I have also walked through the streets of several Australian cities including Sydney and Melbourne. I have seen very little sexual harassment of any shape or form. And even then it was mainly from people from a certain ethnic background - look at the riots in Cronulla which were basically over the harassment of white women.

 

[sevgi]

my dear brother...i live in australia and have lived in turkey...if you are going to tell me that turkey has high sexual harasment levels...then i think you should revisit...and honour killing???why are we going back to the 1930s? it no longer happens except for extremely extremely rural areas...as for the specific backgrounded men. yeah, ur right but rape is usually done by drunkards and thats not the 'specific ethnic groups' ur talking about...the riots in cronulla? overrated.over exhaggerated.

 

[HeiGou]

my dear brother

Well technically I am not a Muslim and so probably not your Brother.

...i live in australia and have lived in turkey...if you are going to tell me that turkey has high sexual harasment levels...then i think you should revisit.

I will soon I believe. But it is clear what it is. When were you there last?

..and honour killing???why are we going back to the 1930s? it no longer happens except for extremely extremely rural areas.

What? Who are you kidding? Turks kill each other in really quite respectable numbers and honor killings among Turks in Europe is fairly high. They still happen and they happen often enough for the UN to have released a report on Turkey this month.

..as for the specific backgrounded men. yeah, ur right but rape is usually done by drunkards and thats not the 'specific ethnic groups' ur talking about...the riots in cronulla? overrated.over exhaggerated.

I rather doubt that rape is usually done by drunkards. Over-rated? Over Exaggerated? Asked a non-Muslim from Crunulla whether they think that? There is, as I have said many times, a slow tidal wave of opinion shifting in the West. But I have to say I have tried but I don't care. You want to alienate the majority of the West, go right ahead.

 

[sevgi]

ok....man...

i was last in turkey in december...so i have a vivid memory of whther or not i was sexually harasd...honour killing is gone...post some backup for yourself coz its gna take you a lot to make me belive you...i know whats in and out of my own culture and traditions.

alienate the majority of the west??? where you the one visiting cronulla during the riots? im not defending the situation coz im muslim...its coz i live in australaia and see primarily whats really going on unlike you who follows the perspective of the media and so ignorantly believes...

i live in an area full of aussies and 'westies' and theyre all cool people...i dnt have a prob with em. if i had something against them, i would move away. they tell me all the time what they think about cronulla....and muslims...it was all overrated.:heated:

 

[HeiGou]

i was last in turkey in december...so i have a vivid memory of whther or not i was sexually harasd. [/quite]

But whether you were sexually harassed or not is irrelevant. I did not say you were not. I said that tourists were. And I admit that a lot of Turkish girls seem to be to me but then they tend only to go out with male escorts so presumably it is more dangerous to harass them.

honour killing is gone...post some backup for yourself coz its gna take you a lot to make me belive you...i know whats in and out of my own culture and traditions.

Two seconds of googling brought me about 3.8 million pages on honor killings in Turkey including one from the BBC from 2005 which shows that just under 40 percent of Turkish men support honor killings.

I would publish a link but the rules of the Forum have been changed to prevent that sort of thing. Try googling it yourself.

alienate the majority of the west??? where you the one visiting cronulla during the riots? im not defending the situation coz im muslim...its coz i live in australaia and see primarily whats really going on unlike you who follows the perspective of the media and so ignorantly believes...

I was not in Crunulla during the riots. But I would not ignore the media if I were you.

i live in an area full of aussies and 'westies' and theyre all cool people...i dnt have a prob with em. if i had something against them, i would move away. they tell me all the time what they think about cronulla....and muslims...it was all overrated.:heated:

Opinion polls show in Australia as in most of the West, "most" people are now unhappy about immigrant communities. How big that "most" is varies from country to country but I think that 54 percent of Australians have a negative attitude towards immigrants now. I can check if you like.

 

[sevgi]

thanks man...i have nothing more to say to you...your research skills are very good and i cant be bothered finding info to back myself up...i have things to do so kudos to you!!! you win. i dnt wanna leave you on a bad note so im apologising for any misconduct i have presented. take care...:statisfie

 

[BoiStop]

Salaam,

Women here (America) are seen as pieces of meat and objects of pleasure. In Muslim countries, they are respected and women have self dignity.

When women must cover up HEAD TO TOE, how are they not seen as sex objects? There are men in the Middle EAst who seriously freak out just by seeing the hand of a woman. Why? Because their culture has told them that woemn are "sinful" and only perpetuate "lust". Again, it's the same thing, just a different way of expressing it.

salaam

 

[BoiStop]

Salaam,

The U.K and the United States have the highest rates of rapes for an industrialized educated country, please do not argue this fact, a women has a higher chance of being raped here then getting stung by a bee or hit by a car, partly because how men view women ass objects and partly because of how they dress and present themselves.

I wonder what the true statistics are in Muslim dominated countries. It's not as if a woman can report rape and her family's honor is not questioned... we all know of the stories of women being killed because they have "dishonored" their families because a man held them down against their will.

cya

 

[dianputri]

But that would have been your choice wouldn't it? You didn't have the police come and make you do it? Can you see that some things are beautiful and wonderful when you choose them, but may be horrendous when you do not? Sexual intercourse and pregnancy for instance.

ha,,ha,,if wear hijab is not my choice,,,than i wont wear that !!!
i'm a free to decide whatever i want,,,my parents in not a strict parents.
if i wanna to wear hijab and my parents allow me to wear hijab, then how the police can stop me ?

my hijab never horrendous me. infact my family and friends also relatives give me support and happy with that. I never felt too horrendous, i still look fine even all of my body is cover,,,and never dress like old fashioned. and I look feminine and more polite in my hijab. that what my friends said,,,,

something is beautiful,,,when you have clue from your God and become close with your GOD. TRust me !!!

welll,,yeah,,,I will not have Sexual intercourse, FOR FREESEX !!
but I can't denied for sexual intercourse in marriage....

pregnancy ?
of course i will be ready,,,pregnancy is a faith for women. It's noting to do with hijab. every woman can pregnan even it's non hijab woman.
pregnancy for woman it's a proud,it's show that the woman be able to givebirth one more for you your God Follower.

Why do you think that? A woman can walk down the street in the West and not get harrassed despite the porn everywhere. Try that in Egypt or any other Middle Eastern country - hijab on or not. The more than Indonesia adopts Middle Eastern Islam, the more Middle Eastern it will become. Go to Egypt. See what you are going to turn Indonesia into.

Well...the woman will never had harrasement when they walk.
but they will have, after 2 - 3 times walk.....

thanks

 

[HeiGou]

ha,,ha,,if wear hijab is not my choice,,,than i wont wear that !!!

You miss my point - for you hijab is your choice, but for millions of women it is not a choice. For most of them it is not a choice not to wear it, but for some it is not a choice to wear it. Saudi Arabia won't let them choose not to wear it, and Turkey won't let them choose to wear it. Both are wrong in my opinion. Now you are lucky you live in Indonesia where you have a choice to wear it. But do you think you might resent it if the government took your choice away and either made you wear it or made you stop?

i'm a free to decide whatever i want,,,my parents in not a strict parents.

For now. Indonesia is a moderately tolerant Muslim country. But as it becomes more and more observant, will you still have that choice?

if i wanna to wear hijab and my parents allow me to wear hijab, then how the police can stop me ?

I don't know but the Turks manage it. Suppose they arrested you or threatened to forcibly remove your hijab if they caught you wearing it in the street - right there and then?

welll,,yeah,,,I will not have Sexual intercourse, FOR FREESEX !!
but I can't denied for sexual intercourse in marriage....

You miss my point again. Some things are good when you choose them, and some things are bad when you don't. Some things are very good when you freely choose them, sex (within marriage of course) for instance, and are also very bad when you don't. That is the difference between a husband and a rapist. You don't think hijab may be good as long as it is a free choice, but might be resented by some women when it is no longer their choice?

pregnancy ?
of course i will be ready,,,pregnancy is a faith for women. It's noting to do with hijab. every woman can pregnan even it's non hijab woman.

But the parallel is what counts and you have not understood me again. If a woman chooses to be pregnant that is a wonderful thing. If she is made to be pregnant against her will, that is a terrible thing. Hence the parallel with the hijab.

Well...the woman will never had harrasement when they walk.
but they will have, after 2 - 3 times walk.....

I doubt you could walk from one end of a market in Morocco to the other, hijab and all, without being physically assaulted by men. Yet I suspect you could walk the streets of London for years without being harassed.

Which society would you rather live in as far as the treatment of women goes?

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

HeiGou you talk about 'Muslim' countries as if they are some sort of prime example of an Islamic society?
I'd rather walk in a street in England than Egypt ANY DAY, but then again that means nothing... because Egypt does not even implement Islam in their laws to even a small degree.

 

[HeiGou]

HeiGou you talk about 'Muslim' countries as if they are some sort of prime example of an Islamic society?
I'd rather walk in a street in England than Egypt ANY DAY, but then again that means nothing... because Egypt does not even implement Islam in their laws to even a small degree.

But none of them are Islamic societies. So it is not as if Indonesia will turn into an Islamic country tomorrow. But if Dianputra keeps at it, it may turn into Egypt.

It does mean something: clearly to get to an Islamic state, a country must first become a Muslim one. So in some respects, things will have to get a lot worse before they might get better.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Yeah, I guess so. I'd still rather live in Makkah though. That place is just the BEST.

 

[dianputri]

But none of them are Islamic societies. So it is not as if Indonesia will turn into an Islamic country tomorrow. But if Dianputra keeps at it, it may turn into Egypt.

I dont want my country like egypt, but perhaps like saudi Arabia.

It does mean something: clearly to get to an Islamic state, a country must first become a Muslim one. So in some respects, things will have to get a lot worse before they might get better.

worse ? indonesia is 99% muslim population. doesnt' like ? please go !

 

[dianputri]

Yeah, I guess so. I'd still rather live in Makkah though. That place is just the BEST.

I want to live in Madinah,,,

like prophet said :
"If you seat in my mosque in madinah, someday you will seat beside me in heaven/firdaus"

Amiin.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

What happened to my post?:?