Muslims Believe US Targets Islam: Poll

[Keltoi]

funny thing is that al-qaeda never were in afghanistan. It was a nation being ruled by talebans, who came to power by the demand of the public against the war lords that were ravageing the country. And iraq was invaded us of WMD which turned out to be a big lie, so why is the occupation still there?

Al-Qaeda were never in Afghanistan huh? :rollseyes Never mind, I see this is a waste of time.

 

[islamirama]

Al-Qaeda were never in Afghanistan huh? :rollseyes Never mind, I see this is a waste of time.

al-qaeda is spread over number of countries, and not located in one region. And how come US failed to show evidence when taleban gov't asked for proof? how professional or lawful is that?

This has nothing to do with religion, it is only fanatics and terrorist that involves islam into it. Its about creating demcracy and take the murderers and terorrists away.

Usa is helping alot.

like abu gharib? yea we see how much it's helping...


Hidden Massacre of Fallujah
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...64675735&hl=en

Hidden Massacre of Haditha
http://www.youtube.com/v/nY9CG3t0sVg

War Crimes - Bush Stands Accused
http://www.youtube.com/v/TgWWO0MgFDE

Guantanamo - "Caged Animals" of the Bush Regime
http://www.youtube.com/v/0vlQ-RtKn9k

 

[Keltoi]

al-qaeda is spread over number of countries, and not located in one region. And how come US failed to show evidence when taleban gov't asked for proof? how professional or lawful is that?

Al-Qaeda was operating from bases inside of Afghanistan. Yes, they had terrorist cells spread around the world, but the base of operations and training was in Afghanistan. As for why the U.S. didn't show "proof" to the Taliban, beyond the fact that it was a simple ploy to buy Bin Laden time to escape, the Taliban also wanted Bin Laden to be tried in a neutral Muslim country. That condition was unacceptable to the U.S. for obvious reasons.

 

[DaNgErOuS MiNdS]

There is nothing "positive" about war, only goals. The war in Afghanistan achieved its goals except for the death of Bin Laden, but the Al-Qaeda safe haven was largely destroyed, not to mention many enemy fighters. It is a little unclear what the goal was in Iraq, as the mission turned into a nation building exercise.

I'm sure ammunition companies are making a profit, but that isn't unusual or shocking.

If they've achieved their goals why are they still there? I seriouly dont think the fighting going on in Afghanistan against the coalition forces is do with bin laden.

I dont know what's going on in Iraq but US/UK need to pull out

 

[islamirama]

Al-Qaeda was operating from bases inside of Afghanistan. Yes, they had terrorist cells spread around the world, but the base of operations and training was in Afghanistan. As for why the U.S. didn't show "proof" to the Taliban, beyond the fact that it was a simple ploy to buy Bin Laden time to escape, the Taliban also wanted Bin Laden to be tried in a neutral Muslim country. That condition was unacceptable to the U.S. for obvious reasons.

That's a very weak argument or even excuse. If you have to show proof to convict a person in US. Then how can US deem someone else guilty till proven innocent, and attack not a person but a nation based on that premise. You can't bomb another country becuase you said someone did something bad and is hiding there. I wonder how US would react to the mere mention of someone bombing and invading US for anything similiar and not showing proof?

And nothing wrong with taking OBL to neutral country, wouldn't that be the just way to do it? Didn't OJ Simpsion go to different city, how many people in US go to different cities to be tried so there is no bias. If he had come to US, he was condemed to start with. Taleban alteast offered to hold a trial in a neutral country, what good faith did US show?

 

[Keltoi]

That's a very weak argument or even excuse. If you have to show proof to convict a person in US. Then how can US deem someone else guilty till proven innocent, and attack not a person but a nation based on that premise. You can't bomb another country becuase you said someone did something bad and is hiding there. I wonder how US would react to the mere mention of someone bombing and invading US for anything similiar and not showing proof?

And nothing wrong with taking OBL to neutral country, wouldn't that be the just way to do it? Didn't OJ Simpsion go to different city, how many people in US go to different cities to be tried so there is no bias. If he had come to US, he was condemed to start with. Taleban alteast offered to hold a trial in a neutral country, what good faith did US show?

The point is that the U.S. either wanted Bin Laden in custody or dead. Dead was probably preferrable. The U.S. about the Al-Qaeda training camps inside Afghanistan, so it wasn't like there wasn't probable cause for an attack. The Taliban made the mistake of underestimating the seriousness of U.S. intentions towards Al-Qaeda and those harboring them. The Taliban gave comfort and support to our enemies, and by association were one of our enemies.

 

[islamirama]

The point is that the U.S. either wanted Bin Laden in custody or dead. Dead was probably preferrable. The U.S. about the Al-Qaeda training camps inside Afghanistan, so it wasn't like there wasn't probable cause for an attack. The Taliban made the mistake of underestimating the seriousness of U.S. intentions towards Al-Qaeda and those harboring them. The Taliban gave comfort and support to our enemies, and by association were one of our enemies.

it's easier and cheaper to find someone and kill him then to bomb a whole nation. Taking saddam out was lot cheaper than this. As for probable cause, well the evidence must be shown before one can say we need to bomb those camps present there. The taleban were adamant about protecting their guests and their rights even at the risk of their own destruction, i think they had a good idea what they were info. Then again, it never was about bin laden. There were talks about establishing oil pipes thru afghan upto russia which failed. And then 9-11 happened and bin laden is hiding in afghan and we need to bomb then and after a few months, the first thing US army did was put those pipelines in place as scheduled before all this began. yea it sounds like a conspirarcy theory and far fatched and you probably won't find any evidence at this point. But that's the fact in my opinion and i came across several news articles at the start of this war that confirmed the meetings being held in US and over seas on all this.

Anyways, by your logic. All Muslim nations are allowed to bomb US becuase US is friend of Israel and supports Israel financially and armory wise. And israel is enemy that continues to oppress and massacre Palestinians and occupy their land.

 

[Keltoi]

it's easier and cheaper to find someone and kill him then to bomb a whole nation. Taking saddam out was lot cheaper than this. As for probable cause, well the evidence must be shown before one can say we need to bomb those camps present there. The taleban were adamant about protecting their guests and their rights even at the risk of their own destruction, i think they had a good idea what they were info. Then again, it never was about bin laden. There were talks about establishing oil pipes thru afghan upto russia which failed. And then 9-11 happened and bin laden is hiding in afghan and we need to bomb then and after a few months, the first thing US army did was put those pipelines in place as scheduled before all this began. yea it sounds like a conspirarcy theory and far fatched and you probably won't find any evidence at this point. But that's the fact in my opinion and i came across several news articles at the start of this war that confirmed the meetings being held in US and over seas on all this.

Anyways, by your logic. All Muslim nations are allowed to bomb US becuase US is friend of Israel and supports Israel financially and armory wise. And israel is enemy that continues to oppress and massacre Palestinians and occupy their land.

"All" Muslim nations? I don't think "all" Muslim nations share your view. As for evidence of the camps, that had existed since the Clinton administration. The U.S. had just been attacked by members of a terrorist organization whose roots were in Afghanistan. It was an act of war and was returned in kind. To believe that Mullah Omar didn't know what Bin Laden was up to is akin to one's head in the sand.

As for the pipeline conspiracy, one would think it would built by now if that was the motivation.

 

[England]

Muslims think everyone "targets Islam."

 

[Kittygyal]

Muslims think everyone "targets Islam."

Greetings.
do we think or are we right? :blind:

 

[England]

Greetings.
do we think or are we right? :blind:

I think muslims themselves know the answer to that. You yourself know its bull..

The majority of times it's a look for sympathy and at other times it's an excuse to excuse the Islamic terrorists/terror suspects etc.

 

[Kittygyal]

I think muslims themselves know the answer to that. You yourself know its bull..

The majority of times it's a look for sympathy.

Greetings.
Easy now tiger, well not everyone 'targets islam' now eh?

 

[islamirama]

"All" Muslim nations? I don't think "all" Muslim nations share your view. As for evidence of the camps, that had existed since the Clinton administration. The U.S. had just been attacked by members of a terrorist organization whose roots were in Afghanistan. It was an act of war and was returned in kind. To believe that Mullah Omar didn't know what Bin Laden was up to is akin to one's head in the sand.

As for the pipeline conspiracy, one would think it would built by now if that was the motivation.

No one said the gov't agrees, the poll shows what the Muslims in those countries think about all of this. US had be supposedly attacked by groups stationed in afghan, nothing is conclusive till full evidence is shown, and a war on speculations doesn't make them right. Bin laden was in afgahn as was his people, who else helped the afghans defeat russia and their occupation. It's interesting how people that fight russia become national heros in US and when they turn against US (another bully), they become terrorists.

anyways, the pipeline is already in place and US did what it's oil buddies wanted. why do you think they handed the mess over to UN and left?

 

[England]

Greetings.
Easy now tiger, well not everyone 'targets islam' now eh?

Umm.. no as I just said tiger

 

[Keltoi]

No one said the gov't agrees, the poll shows what the Muslims in those countries think about all of this. US had be supposedly attacked by groups stationed in afghan, nothing is conclusive till full evidence is shown, and a war on speculations doesn't make them right. Bin laden was in afgahn as was his people, who else helped the afghans defeat russia and their occupation. It's interesting how people that fight russia become national heros in US and when they turn against US (another bully), they become terrorists.

anyways, the pipeline is already in place and US did what it's oil buddies wanted. why do you think they handed the mess over to UN and left?

When did the U.S. leave Afghanistan? That is news to me.

I wouldn't suggest Americans thought Bin Laden or any other anti-Soviet fighter in Afghanistan was a "national hero" either. So what are you suggesting? That the U.S. staged an attack from Al-Qaeda to justify their attack on Afghanistan? That is a conspiracy and not based in reality. If you want to discuss this issue, stick to the point, which was whether the U.S. is "targeting" Muslims. You've yet to bring anything to the table other than to post a survey and throw out some conspiracy theories.

 

[islamirama]

When did the U.S. leave Afghanistan? That is news to me.

I wouldn't suggest Americans thought Bin Laden or any other anti-Soviet fighter in Afghanistan was a "national hero" either. So what are you suggesting? That the U.S. staged an attack from Al-Qaeda to justify their attack on Afghanistan? That is a conspiracy and not based in reality. If you want to discuss this issue, stick to the point, which was whether the U.S. is "targeting" Muslims. You've yet to bring anything to the table other than to post a survey and throw out some conspiracy theories.

You should really keep up with the news then, who do you think is in charge in afghanistan right now?

sticking to the topic, the majority of the Muslims in majority of the nations agree that US is targeting islam. This "war on terror" is instead a 'war on Islam", and we see the only "suspects" in the world being arounded up are Muslims. Guantanamo bay is filled with "suspects" that are being held indifintly without being charged or let go, a place that UK (close ally) and UN has condemed. And look at where US is, it is in all of Muslim lands trying to find "suspects" that are "terrorists" or "sleeper cells" that will wake up in one day and decide to bomb americans. Somebody seems paranoid over here, thinking every Muslim is a possible "sleeper cell" who can wake up anytime. Like we're all laying dorment till we wake up and go red.

 

[Keltoi]

You should really keep up with the news then, who do you think is in charge in afghanistan right now?

sticking to the topic, the majority of the Muslims in majority of the nations agree that US is targeting islam. This "war on terror" is instead a 'war on Islam", and we see the only "suspects" in the world being arounded up are Muslims. Guantanamo bay is filled with "suspects" that are being held indifintly without being charged or let go, a place that UK (close ally) and UN has condemed. And look at where US is, it is in all of Muslim lands trying to find "suspects" that are "terrorists" or "sleeper cells" that will wake up in one day and decide to bomb americans. Somebody seems paranoid over here, thinking every Muslim is a possible "sleeper cell" who can wake up anytime. Like we're all laying dorment till we wake up and go red.

Well, I do keep up with the news and there are thousands of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Let's go with your "War on Islam" theory. You state that the U.S. in "all Muslim lands"...do you mean that the U.S. is fighting every Muslim country? That is obviously false, so are you suggesting that the U.S. is only involved militarily with Muslim countries? That too is false of course, as the U.S. military is stationed throughout the world and their last military effort before the wars in Afghan and Iraq was against Christians persecuting Muslims...remember that one?

As for Gitmo, how many detainees are in Gitmo now? Maybe 150 or 200? Can't recall exactly, but not all that many in the scheme of things. They will be charged fairly speedily now that the Supreme Court has signed off on military trials.

Now, "sleeper cells". Yes, experience has taught us that those who appear completely normal in their daily lives can pull off terrorist attacks. The U.K. train bombings being only one example. That doesn't mean authorities are watching every single Muslim, as that is obviously impossible, but are concentrating on certain mosques and communities these individuals are known to frequent or have contacts. That isn't a "war on Islam", that is called criminal investigation.

 

[Philosopher]

I think muslims themselves know the answer to that. You yourself know its bull..

The majority of times it's a look for sympathy and at other times it's an excuse to excuse the Islamic terrorists/terror suspects etc.

Actually they are right to a great extent. Bush is greatly influenced by right wing Zionist Christians.

Did you ever wonder why Bush is anti-gay marriage or anti-abortion?? That's right- Bush's religion influences his domestic and foreign policies.

 

[Keltoi]

Actually they are right to a great extent. Bush is greatly influenced by right wing Zionist Christians.

Did you ever wonder why Bush is anti-gay marriage or anti-abortion?? That's right- Bush's religion influences his domestic and foreign policies.

Right-wing Zionist Christians? Interesting. So you believe Bush's religion tells him to kill Muslims? Interesting, very interesting. +o(

 

[islamirama]

Right-wing Zionist Christians? Interesting. So you believe Bush's religion tells him to kill Muslims? Interesting, very interesting. +o(

was it not bush who said he talks to God, and he is going to start a crusade and make a new Middle East on national tv? you really need to watch the right channels man...

Well, I do keep up with the news and there are thousands of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Let's go with your "War on Islam" theory. You state that the U.S. in "all Muslim lands"...do you mean that the U.S. is fighting every Muslim country? That is obviously false, so are you suggesting that the U.S. is only involved militarily with Muslim countries? That too is false of course, as the U.S. military is stationed throughout the world and their last military effort before the wars in Afghan and Iraq was against Christians persecuting Muslims...remember that one?

As for Gitmo, how many detainees are in Gitmo now? Maybe 150 or 200? Can't recall exactly, but not all that many in the scheme of things. They will be charged fairly speedily now that the Supreme Court has signed off on military trials.

Now, "sleeper cells". Yes, experience has taught us that those who appear completely normal in their daily lives can pull off terrorist attacks. The U.K. train bombings being only one example. That doesn't mean authorities are watching every single Muslim, as that is obviously impossible, but are concentrating on certain mosques and communities these individuals are known to frequent or have contacts. That isn't a "war on Islam", that is called criminal investigation.

US has presense in most if not all muslim countries. The CIA and FBI are working with secrete agnecies of thsoe gov'ts in seeking out and arresting and shipping to gitmo any "suspect" or anyone that dare even talk against US and this illegal war based on lies of WMD.

Gitmo has over 360 detaines, and all of them have been there from 3 to 5yrs without any actions being taken. 3 detaines recently challenged their detention and they too were denied that and the right to challenge. Bush passed laws to make sure none of them even qualify as war combatant and have any chance of international human rights. Bush doesn't want them out, otherwise all his war plans will go down the drain. How can you defend that place when your closes allies, UK, france, UN and rest of the world has condemed it and called for it to be shut down. Even red cross and humanitarian groups have called for it to be shut down. what does US do? they build two more prisons like it that are more secure and torturesome and shipped half the people there instead.

As for sleeper cells. how many sleeper cells planning was done after the Una bomber, or oklahoma bombing, or Tx UT shooting or other such events. The whole "sleeper cell" is a poor laymen excuse to basically say that we can point at any person and say that he can kill us tomorrow. Well with such theory, every human on this earthy is a sleeper cell. Everyone has the potential to get up next day and start killing. Look at VA Tec shooting incident. It's very arrogrant and ignorant of the gov't and it's lackies to go with that appoarch and single out entire Muslim population only as possible sleeper cells. Is this not war agaisnt islam and muslims then what is?