Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - Enemy of Islam?

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I agree with much what brother Dawud said.

I do know that Turkey is trying so much to please their patriots (Europeon) to get into the E.U. Their was this TV programme on BBC and a turkish was asking why do they hold back in admitting them in, he said something like this "You told us to give liberty to fornification, and to see it as normal part of society" now we did you still don't let us in.

To me he sounded as if he was begging (my word) "what more do you wan't, have we not done enough" (
 
assalamu aleykum all,
im a turk n living in istanbul in turkiye,and practising alhamdulillah...


firstly i dont hate atatürk,be cause, at least, he fought for this country against all the western world,,

but i dont like him anyway,be cause,he changed everything,,alphabet,clothing ,law system,,abolished the caliphate,etc..you know already...

as some friends wrote here,we are not only muslim in speech,,alhamdulillah,a little information; there are 70 000 mosques are here in turkey and nearly the same in iran,,and the percentage of going to Cum'a prayer is higher than iran here...

but unfortunately,nearly half of the population is not good in islam,,not praying properly,not thinking islamic rules so much,,some drinks alcohol,etc...

but also especially among the youngs,islam is rising up alhamdulillah,,,and inshaAllah we ll fix some problems soon (concerned hijab n so)..


about atatürk,
here in turkey,he is a taboo,we can not discus him,,it s not allowed,and i hate this actually,,,i want freedom about this too,,
he made good things,but in my opinion he did bad things more than good deeds...especially caliphate and alphabet are very important here,,

my grandpa fought with him in WW1 n war of independance ,and when he was talking about atatürk,he always began to cry and pray for him,,,and my grandfather was a good muslim as i saw,he could speak arabic,read Kur'an,praying properly and caring halal,haram vereytime...

and about being muslim and being a part of europe,,,i think this is impossible,not coz of us,,be coz of europe,,,they never want this and they dont behave honestly to turkey....and i dont wanna be a member of EU...we must be everywhere,middle asia,eurasia,,but in a muslim way,,proud ,independent,powerful,,,the muslim world needs this,,we need to be united again like in the past and stand against imperialism,,,

atatürk chose the wrong way i think,thats why we muslims are paining alot now,he effected every of us..after the ottomans, middle east never enjoyed anything,in palestine,irak,lebanon,syria,and northern part of africa,and so,,

brothers and sisters,the only way to be united again is;accepting islam as our nationality,,and inshaAllah it would happen again...

we need to prove that islam is the religion of peace,equalty and development...not terrorism,,

enough for now...

take care all n stay in health inshaAllah,
salam
 
Bro. Abdil Han,

Its good to hear from a Turk and its eye-opening to see from a Turkish perspective on this current topic. The experiences I've had with Turks were a bit displeasing. Mainly because of what you said about only half the country practicing properly and such.

And again like you've said, Turkey is much-wrapped up in nationalism. Much like the state of the Arab world in the 70's. But today, much of the Arab world has reformed and religious uprisings are prevelant in many of those former nationalist nations. Maybe Turkey will go back to its religious roots. Hopefully.
 
Abdil Han,

Thank you for posting. We needed to hear from Muslims in Turkey on this thread. I appreciate reading your perspective on this.

Peace.
 
abdil han said:
assalamu aleykum all,
im a turk n living in istanbul in turkiye,and practising alhamdulillah...


firstly i dont hate atatürk,be cause, at least, he fought for this country against all the western world,,

but i dont like him anyway,be cause,he changed everything,,alphabet,clothing ,law system,,abolished the caliphate,etc..you know already...

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Nice to hear from a brother from Turkey, I was looking for one for a long time, so they can give their view on the EU.

Sorry brother for cutting your post short. I realise some brother's came to strong on ataturk, maybe because of our strong love of Islam, and seeing that he(ataturk) basicly cut the lifeline of Islam out of turkey, I am sure he did not do it out of his own intitiative, but has much eauropean influence behind it.
He is not anyway unique in history.

If I was trying to demolish Islam in some way, I will do it similar to the way he did it.

1. Cut the Islamic education away in in some level,
2. prohibit Islamic Identity on certain level, change the Alphabet, and
3. remove trace of arabic language.
4. Introduce slowly other governing Law (man-made), and
5. introduce entertainment (all sort) to distract them and lead them astray.
6. Let anyone interpret the Quran anyway they feel like.

By doing this you push Islam into the back closest.

The point is he is dead, and their is no point in beating him about it to much.

I am glad that their is some awakening in Turkey, since two Turkish I met in my UNi here in UK claimed to be muslim, but did not know anything about it.
 
salam again,
thanks for ur replies

dear skillganon,neither i am a representative of all turks and nor those 2 turks u met at uni,,but it made me very sad that some bros n sisters think that turkiye is a toy of western world,and we are only muslim in words,,,

it is looking from out side but we are enough strong to stand against them still,and inshaAllah we ll take islam more to our lifes,like in the past...

as you said,i dont like the deeds of atatürk,he changed the whole life of us and he saw the glory in the way of europe, not in islam...but we still have hope alhamdulillah...


bro dahir n grace seeker,thanks for your replies,

peace all
 
I know of one turkish brother who loves his faith but drinks and stuff, just like you guys mentioned. May Allah guide every Muslim, InshAllah.
 
abdil han said:
salam again,
thanks for ur replies

dear skillganon,neither i am a representative of all turks and nor those 2 turks u met at uni,,but it made me very sad that some bros n sisters think that turkiye is a toy of western world,and we are only muslim in words,,,

it is looking from out side but we are enough strong to stand against them still,and inshaAllah we ll take islam more to our lifes,like in the past...

as you said,i dont like the deeds of atatürk,he changed the whole life of us and he saw the glory in the way of europe, not in islam...but we still have hope alhamdulillah...


bro dahir n grace seeker,thanks for your replies,

peace all
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Asslamu alaikum ( forgot to greet you)

I am not saying all turkish people are toys of west and that 2 turkish is representive of all turk's (probably I had high expectation),

I mean I have freinds that are muslim but hardly don't know much about it. So don't get me wrong.

I hope you stay in this forum brother and contribute more of your post, it is good to hear from you and see other views.

I alway's thought we should have more turkish brother's & sisters here in this forum.
 
salam,

no worry bro,i got what u meant,,n pls dont get me wrong either,
im just trying to tell us to you,,

i ll be more active here inshaAllah,i have manythings tht i wanna tell you,,and i need to know from you,,,

but i think its better go now,coz its too late here and i ll go to work tomorrow early in the morning...so take care all,

may Allah protect you ll inshaAllah and helps us to bring our glory again,,amin..

salam aleykum
 
north_malaysian said:
Abdil han, was the Ottoman Caliphate 100% Islamic before Ataturk overthrown them?
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salam malaysian brother
of course they were %100 islamic,especially till 1908,till Abdulhamid Han abdicated,,.

after this time some generals of the army got much power and influenced the caliph(and the sultan at the same time) very much....
in 1915,Sultan Muhammed Reshad declared Holy war(jihad) against all westerns and in every side of the islamic lands,muslims began to fight ,even in india,in southeast asia,in china,muslims revolted against their christian(non muslim i mean) kings n leaders..

did i get you correct? if not ,pls ask again more clear,,

now take care

wassalam
 
abdil han said:
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in 1915,Sultan Muhammed Reshad declared Holy war(jihad) against all westerns and in every side of the islamic lands,muslims began to fight ,even in india,in southeast asia,in china,muslims revolted against their christian(non muslim i mean) kings n leaders..
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I dont know about this, but in our textbooks, it's mentioned that "Kesatuan Melayu Muda" (Young Malays Association) fighted the British because they are inspired by Young Turks led by Mustafa Kemal, not by Ottoman Caliph.
 
north_malaysian said:
I dont know about this, but in our textbooks, it's mentioned that "Kesatuan Melayu Muda" (Young Malays Association) [FOUGHT] the British because they [WERE] inspired by Young Turks led by Mustafa Kemal, not by Ottoman Caliph.
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There you go... fixed some typos.

However, I disagree. They (KMM) did not fight as in physically, but they adopted a stance against the British. But they weren't only the ones who were against British occupation of Malaya.
 
Muslim Knight said:
There you go... fixed some typos.

However, I disagree. They (KMM) did not fight as in physically, but they adopted a stance against the British. But they weren't only the ones who were against British occupation of Malaya.
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Thanks for the grammatical corrections.:happy:

I thought KMM and PKM (Communist Party of MAlaya) were the only groups fighting British physically.
 
north_malaysian said:
Abdil han, was the Ottoman Caliphate 100% Islamic before Ataturk overthrown them?
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assalaamu alaykum,

no i must disagree with what others have stated here and say no it wasnt but it was better than nothing. in the same way the some muslim states claim to rule by shariah but it is not, but still it better than secularism or some other ism that might replace it.

the turkish kilaphate had abolished huddud punishment and introduced fines for these instead and also introduced paper currency over gold that allowed the gold standard to be abolished later that allowed riba to creep into the ummah on a large scale.

more importantly they were not strict against those 'muslims' who worshipped the dead and built shines to them and some of the kalifs actually went into this grave worship as well but i understand it wasnt all of them.

there were problems with the turkish kilaphate yes, but still i would fight for it today if it existed as our loyalty is to the concept of the kilaphate whether it is perfect or not.

alhamdulillah there is an amir ul mumineen again today and soon insha'allah one of the lands fighting for islam will establish the full kilaphate again.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum,

the turkish kilaphate had abolished huddud punishment and introduced fines for these instead and also introduced paper currency over gold that allowed the gold standard to be abolished later that allowed riba to creep into the ummah on a large scale.

more importantly they were not strict against those 'muslims' who worshipped the dead and built shines to them and some of the kalifs actually went into this grave worship as well but i understand it wasnt all of them.
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wa aleykum assalam bro,
hudd punishment hasnt been abolished by turkish caliphate,and they practiced this in history,but as you know hudd punishment needs very strong evidences n provements,,so thats why the ottomans didnt practised this oftenly...

about the grave worship,i didnt get what you meant exactly,,can you pls explain it more?

wassalam
 
north_malaysian said:
I dont know about this, but in our textbooks, it's mentioned that "Kesatuan Melayu Muda" (Young Malays Association) fighted the British because they are inspired by Young Turks led by Mustafa Kemal, not by Ottoman Caliph.
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salam
the young turks were the generals n commanders of the ottoman army and till the independance war in 1919,they all fought in the leadreship of ottoman sultan(the caliph aswell),

and yes,mustafa kemal was one of them,and he went to samsun( the first city of gathering against invaders)to start the independance war,by the sultan's ship and with his permision..

wassalam
 
abdil han said:
wa aleykum assalam bro,
hudd punishment hasnt been abolished by turkish caliphate,and they practiced this in history,but as you know hudd punishment needs very strong evidences n provements,,so thats why the ottomans didnt practised this oftenly...

about the grave worship,i didnt get what you meant exactly,,can you pls explain it more?

wassalam
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what i am referring to brother is when huddud punishments were suspended and fines brought in their place, this is ruling by other than Allah has revealed as someone is either innocent or guilty and therefore punished.

as for grave worship, i am referring to those who ask the dead for help and aid instead of asking Allah directly.

wa alaykumus salaam,
Abu Abdullah
 

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