Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - Enemy of Islam?

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Dawud_uk said:
as for grave worship, i am referring to those who ask the dead for help and aid instead of asking Allah directly.

wa alaykumus salaam,
Abu Abdullah
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salam aleykum dear bro,

wallahi i am shocked that you think that a caliph asked aid from a dead or else instead of Allah,,,this bever happened by turkish caliphs brother,and this is impossible,they were the calips of islam,means the shadow of Allah in the world,,some of them can be not enough good but they never did what you said...
and some of them led that islam country in a good way indeed,,they worked to protect the muslims from all enemies of islam and they succeeded this till the end of them,,,,

i dont know how you got this image in ur mind about them but i m really sad about this..

salam n du'a
 
abdil han said:
salam aleykum dear bro,

wallahi i am shocked that you think that a caliph asked aid from a dead or else instead of Allah,,,this bever happened by turkish caliphs brother,and this is impossible,they were the calips of islam,means the shadow of Allah in the world,,some of them can be not enough good but they never did what you said...
and some of them led that islam country in a good way indeed,,they worked to protect the muslims from all enemies of islam and they succeeded this till the end of them,,,,

i dont know how you got this image in ur mind about them but i m really sad about this..

salam n du'a
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assalaamu alaykum brother,

please try reading some non turkish books on islamic history.

try reading about the wars against the movement of Sh. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab who fought against the arab allies of the turks because they allowed such grave worship, then look at how the turks sent in their armies to wipe them out and not only that but declared them non muslims for their actions of destroying the shines over the graves of the dead as is the confirmed sunnah of the salaf.

the kalifs were men, they were as capable of mistakes as all of us are and were not infallable. such a belief of men being infallable belongs to the rafadiyyah and the catholic christians.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum brother,

please try reading some non turkish books on islamic history.

try reading about the wars against the movement of Sh. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab who fought against the arab allies of the turks because they allowed such grave worship, then look at how the turks sent in their armies to wipe them out and not only that but declared them non muslims for their actions of destroying the shines over the graves of the dead as is the confirmed sunnah of the salaf.

the kalifs were men, they were as capable of mistakes as all of us are and were not infallable. such a belief of men being infallable belongs to the rafadiyyah and the catholic christians.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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wa alaykum salam dear bro,

i ll read about it but i still can t believe that they did such things,,,

of course they were human and they could make mistakes,and they did already..but this is little hard to believe brother..this sin never acceptable ,especially for a caliph...

take care bro,
salam aleykum
 
abdil han said:
wa alaykum salam dear bro,

i ll read about it but i still can t believe that they did such things,,,

of course they were human and they could make mistakes,and they did already..but this is little hard to believe brother..this sin never acceptable ,especially for a caliph...

take care bro,
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Asslamu Alaikum brother

You do not have to hang around this thread to much, explore the site, and Apply for the "brother" section. :happy:
 
Skillganon said:
Asslamu Alaikum brother

You do not have to hang around this thread to much, explore the site, and Apply for the "brother" section. :happy:
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alaykum salam bro,

you are right:) i am really interested in history and you know,there are many things here needs to be learnt...

so,see u brother,stay in health inshaAllah,,


wassalam
 
abdil han said:
alaykum salam bro,

you are right:) i am really interested in history and you know,there are many things here needs to be learnt...

so,see u brother,stay in health inshaAllah,,


wassalam
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Inshallah, but do apply for the "Brothers" only section. Invite other Brother's and Sisters from Turkey. It will be good to hear from them too, inshallah :D
 
Dawud_uk said:
try reading about the wars against the movement of Sh. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab who fought against the arab allies of the turks because they allowed such grave worship, then look at how the turks sent in their armies to wipe them out and not only that but declared them non muslims for their actions of destroying the shines over the graves of the dead as is the confirmed sunnah of the salaf.
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salam aleykum dear brother,

The ottomans fought against wahabe movement in Arabia ,but this wahabees destroyed some graves of sahabes,,

i go to graveyard sometimes but not to ask help from them,i go there just to pray for them,pray for mercy from Allah for their sins...

visiting graveyards is not a bad thing ,,also we remember to death,we remember there ,this life is so short...wahabes totaly forbade this visits as i know,didnt they?

take care bro,stay in health inshaAllah...
wassalam
 
abdil han said:
salam aleykum dear brother,

The ottomans fought against wahabe movement in Arabia ,but this wahabees destroyed some graves of sahabes,,

i go to graveyard sometimes but not to ask help from them,i go there just to pray for them,pray for mercy from Allah for their sins...

visiting graveyards is not a bad thing ,,also we remember to death,we remember there ,this life is so short...wahabes totaly forbade this visits as i know,didnt they?

take care bro,stay in health inshaAllah...
wassalam
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assalaamu alaykum brother,

the sahabah themselves destroyed all high graves as they destroyed idols,

later on ignorant muslims built such high graves over the sahabahs graves but it was only these stone structures that were destroyed as was the confirmed sunnah.

Sahih Muslim Book 4, Hadith # 2116
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah (RAA) Rasulullah (SAW) forbade that the graves should be plastered, or they be used as sitting places (for the people), or a building should be built over them.
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Abu'l-Hayyaj al-Asadi told that 'Ali (b. Abu Talib) said to him: “Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling It.” This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: “(Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it.” (Sahih Muslim Book 4, 2115)
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the scholars who justified the turks going to war with Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahab did so out of ignorance as the movement were only following the sunnah in destroying these structures built over the graves.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
abdil han said:
salam aleykum dear brother,

The ottomans fought against wahabe movement in Arabia ,but this wahabees destroyed some graves of sahabes,,

i go to graveyard sometimes but not to ask help from them,i go there just to pray for them,pray for mercy from Allah for their sins...

visiting graveyards is not a bad thing ,,also we remember to death,we remember there ,this life is so short...wahabes totaly forbade this visits as i know,didnt they?

take care bro,stay in health inshaAllah...
wassalam
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I always have my breakfast in a saint's tomb building in Penang. Because people ceased to visit his tomb. Some hawkers put tables and chairs for customers to eat in the tomb's area. And customers include non Muslims.

Is it sinful?:rollseyes
 
north_malaysian said:
I always have my breakfast in a saint's tomb building in Penang. Because people ceased to visit his tomb. Some hawkers put tables and chairs for customers to eat in the tomb's area. And customers include non Muslims.

Is it sinful?:rollseyes
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assalaamu alaykum,

brother i am not a scholar, but there are others on here who have greater knowledge than me and have better access to the ulema and could answer your question.

it is good however that people have stopped visiting this place, but it should be flattened down and turned to a normal grave, as to your visiting there perhaps one of the other brothers or sisters can answer it?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum,

brother i am not a scholar, but there are others on here who have greater knowledge than me and have better access to the ulema and could answer your question.

it is good however that people have stopped visiting this place, but it should be flattened down and turned to a normal grave, as to your visiting there perhaps one of the other brothers or sisters can answer it?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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I just eat there, I dont visit the tomb.
 
One thing I know about Islam is that you should never be forced into believing anything. If you have faith, it should come naturally. Yet in the days of the Ottomans, women were forced, even beaten into covering up & wearing headscarfs - until Ataturk came along and put a stop to this disgusting behavior. How does this make him an enemy of Islam? He was a man with good intentions, he stood up for womens rights and saved many lives.
 
Deja_Vu said:
One thing I know about Islam is that you should never be forced into believing anything. If you have faith, it should come naturally. Yet in the days of the Ottomans, women were forced, even beaten into covering up & wearing headscarfs - until Ataturk came along and put a stop to this disgusting behavior. How does this make him an enemy of Islam? He was a man with good intentions, he stood up for womens rights and saved many lives.
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When you are a Muslim under Islamic rule, you are forced to follow orders and anything haraam u do is subject to punishment, while the dhimmis are allowed such things as alcohol and pork, as for the ottomans what they did im not so sure but i am not in support of them in the least.
 
Deja_Vu said:
One thing I know about Islam is that you should never be forced into believing anything. If you have faith, it should come naturally. Yet in the days of the Ottomans, women were forced, even beaten into covering up & wearing headscarfs - until Ataturk came along and put a stop to this disgusting behavior. How does this make him an enemy of Islam? He was a man with good intentions, he stood up for womens rights and saved many lives.
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He was a pawn to the devil, without knowledge of his wrong-doings. Simple as that.

And plus, he did one thing that ABOVE ANYTHING makes him the most vile enemy of Islam:

He replaced ISLAMIC SHARIA CANON LAW with SWISS PENAL CODES!

He preferred Swiss laws over the laws of Allah, that doesn't sicken you?

That should be enough, seriously, that alone makes this guy the lowest of the low.

End of story.
 
Deja_Vu said:
One thing I know about Islam is that you should never be forced into believing anything. If you have faith, it should come naturally. Yet in the days of the Ottomans, women were forced, even beaten into covering up & wearing headscarfs - until Ataturk came along and put a stop to this disgusting behavior. How does this make him an enemy of Islam? He was a man with good intentions, he stood up for womens rights and saved many lives.
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let me also point out that he SUPPRESSED Islaam, his intentions weren't for women, the Ottoman caliphate was far from the best but he intentionally suppressed Allah's laws and has brought what you have today with hijaab problems and it's not just hijaab problems, when his rule came the masaajid were EMPTY on Fridays

Also, another thing to take note is he has a STATUE of himself
 
Dahir said:
He preferred Swiss laws over the laws of Allah, that doesn't sicken you?

That should be enough, seriously, that alone makes this guy the lowest of the low.

End of story.
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Allah also set rules to say that you do not force anyone into belief. Forced belief will be false and pretence, now does the idea of THAT not sicken YOU?
 

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