This is the last post that I will make on this discussion in view of the signs that a few people are getting quite annoyed over it.
Yes, Luke 3:23 calls Joseph the son of Heli. But also Luke 3:27 calls Shealtiel the son of Neri and he clearly wasn't. Shealtiel was rather the son of Jeconiah (1 Chronicles 3:17; Matthew 1:12). However Shealtiel evidently married the daughter of Neri and so became his son-in-law. According to Jewish custom the genealogy would then record his name as if he were Neri's son. There is therefore no problem with taking Luke 3:23 to mean that Joseph was Heli's son-in-law even though it says that he was Heli's son.
We can be sure that the genealogies recorded by both Luke and Matthew were correct and in agreement with the public records. The enemies of Christianity would quickly have seized the opportunity to make an accusation if this were not so. But there is no record of them ever doing so.
no one is getting angry at your lack of knowledge, you simply say things that aren't what they say let's look on your quote on the authorship of Hebrew:
God inspired the book of Hebrews but it was written by Paul. The writer does not identify himself by name but it was accepted as an epistle of Paul by early writers. The Chester Beatty Papyrus No.2 (of about 200 CE) contains Hebrews among nine of Paul's letters. And Hebrews is listed among "fourteen letters of Paul the apostle" in "The Canon of Athanasius", of the 4th century. Internal evidence also strongly points to Paul as the writer.
in this list of canons:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon3.html
Hebrews is listed as missing or "in doubt" in the earliest lists.
now, i have done a little research for you:
While there are a few remaining biblical scholars who attribute Hebrews to Paul the majority of scholars admit that they don't know who wrote Hebrews. The majority of those who still claim Pauline authorship are evangelical and fundamentalist Christians. Let's look at some of those who disagree, shall we.
In
The Oxford Companion to the Bible edited by Bruce Metzger and Michael Coogan, Metzger being one of the leading biblical scholars of his time, we read:
The identity of the author of Hebrews is not known. Collisions and Clement of Rome's letter to the Corinthians attest to the authoritative status of Hebrews before the end of the first century. Presumably Clement knew who the author was. Later on, however, questions regarding the authorship of the letter contributed to the general neglect it suffered in the Western or Latin Christianity. Jerome's acceptance of the work as coming from the pen of Paul, and in particular the title "The Epistol of Paul to the Hebrews" in the Vulgate, was mainly responsible for the belief, unquestioned for more than 1000 years, in its Pauline authorship. But there are adequate reasons for rejecting Pauline authorship. First, the writer's style is different from Paul's; second, the issue seems to be settled by his affectation that (he together, apparently, with his readers) received the gospel from those who heard the Lord [2.3]
Of many conjectures that have been offered, there are but two that merit serious consideration. The author was clearly a person in a position of leadership in the Apostolic Church, intellectually distinguished, theologically mature, and with a profound knowledge of the Bible; two candidates mentioned in the New Testament who meet these criteria are Barnabas and Apollos, both of whom were Jewish Christians... The qualities of these two candidates is attested to in the article, but we are left with the conclusion... but in the absence of any work written by Barnabas or Apollos and in any other first century evidence, identifying either as the author of the letter is only conjecture.
Turning to the
Interpreters One Volume Commentary on the Bible edited by Charles Layman, we read regarding the authorship of the Hebrews [quoting Warren A Quanbeck]:
a very old tradition, preserved in the Vulgate, and in the King James version, ascribes Hebrews to Paul. When we examine the book itself, however, and the testimony of ancient writers to it, we discover that it's authorship is uncertain and that we know very little about its origin, destination, and the. It is difficult to determine even why the letter was written, and modern interpreters differ on this question.
The earliest known quotation from the book appears in a letter of Clement of Rome usually dated around A.D. 96. From this and other citations we learn that in the western part of the church it was known very early but was not ascribed to Paul until the fourth century. The story is different in the East. Here it was ascribed to Paul as early as the second century, although scholars in Alexandria, especially Origen, had their doubts about Pauline authorship because it differed from the Pauline letters in literary style and theological language.
Detailed study in modern times has led to almost unanimous agreement that the language, style and ideas differ so markedly from those of Paul that it is almost inconceivable that he could have been the author. Origen long-ago absurd that will be Arthur was God alone really notes. Modern scholarship has been unable to improve on this verdict, though it has examined with care their credentials of those who have been nominated for the honor, including Barnabas, Apollos and Clement.
Let's quote from a few Christian Bibles, shall we?
Beginning with
the Oxford Annotated Bible, Revised Standard Version, College Edition, we read in the introduction:
This anonymous treatise contains the longest sustained argument of any book in the Bible. With careful and closely the discussions, the unknown author moves with confidence step-by-step through an elaborate proof of the preeminence of Christianity over Judaism.
As we see, this Bible correctly calls this book anonymous or with an unknown author. Unless those of titles for Paul, he is not the author of this book.
In the Nelson Version of the
New King James Version of the Word in Life Study Bible, we read:
the author of Hebrews writes as if the original readers of the letter already who it was (Hebrew 13:22). Unfortunately, modern readers do not. If we did, it would perhaps help us to better understand the epistle.
Hebrews is one of only two letters in the New Testament then back a greeting or identification of its author ( the other is 1 John). The King James version cause the letter "the Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews." But there is no such indication in the earliest manuscripts, and many people doubt whether Paul wrote the book. Amongst their reasons:
The language, vocabulary, and style differ in certain respects from Paul's letters.
Certain expressions that call commonly uses - "Jesus Christ", "in Christ", "the resurrection"- are all but absent.
Hebrews approaches certain subjects, such as the law and faith, somewhat differently from Paul's known writings.
Early church sources mentioned other possible authors.
Others challenge these points, yet no one has conclusively demonstrated the policy author. But if not, then who was? There has been no shortage of suggestions: Luke, Priscilla, Aquila, Clement of Rome, Sylvanus, Philip the evangelist, Apollos and Barnabas are some.
In the end we are not know who wrote this letter...
As you can see, not everyone agrees with your conclusion. Perhaps, that is the extent of your scholarship on this matter. I would conclude that your scholarship is simply not enough of this forum. Just because we are Muslims, doesn't mean that some of us have spent many years researching these subjects. Just because you read a book or see a chart does not mean that you have a grasp of a situation. This appears to be true both in your limited knowledge of Christianity as well as your even more limited knowledge of Islam. Perhaps you would do well to learn from us, rather than come with inadequate points and try to debate us!
by the way, just to make the point, Melchizedek actually had a beginning and an end. He was born using the Jewish calendar in the year 1558 and passed away in the year 2158. He was born when Methuselah was still alive and he lived to see Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, and Jacob. He had both a father and a mother and a son. Of course this is totally unknown to Christians, but we here, at least some of us, have studied these matters. Any studied Jew would be well aware of this knowledge. It may have been lost to Christian, but it still exists.
Maybe some of this new knowledge will inspire you to learn the truth of matters and dispense with Christian rhetoric. And Allah knows best.
Salaam
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Brahma-Sutras 1.3.9.38)
