Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina

[Supreme]

Why do you insist on exaggerating everything to the nth degree? It does nothing to bolster your argument.

So all 4.5 billion non muslims are filthy savages are they? Including my parents, grandparents, brother and sister? How kind of you to judge them without knowing.

And honestly, really, do you think that anywhere in Saudi Arabia (outside of expat compounds perhaps) people would be seen outside wearing bathing suits?

The gaps in these illogical conclusions are just astounding.

Please! Don't let facts get in the way of his so-called arguments!

The Saudi King is a lousy tyrant. His word means nothing.

I agree. The whole Saudi monarchy is the political equivalent of a bad joke.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

Why do you insist on exaggerating everything to the nth degree? It does nothing to bolster your argument.

So all 4.5 billion non muslims are filthy savages are they? Including my parents, grandparents, brother and sister? How kind of you to judge them without knowing.

And honestly, really, do you think that anywhere in Saudi Arabia (outside of expat compounds perhaps) people would be seen outside wearing bathing suits?

The gaps in these illogical conclusions are just astounding.

I think you misunderstood him he didn't mean they are filthy personally but they will bring fitnah and filth to the holy site for instance:
1. Nudity
2. Adultery
3.Alcohol
because the non-muslims are not aware of what Muslims consider whats right or wrong. Also non-muslims are not savages or filthy but their actions are considered to be filthy to the Muslims beliefs. Your relatives are not filthy or savages and sorry if you got offended by the brother, but us Muslims should help eachother to make people understand.

 

[Darth Ultor]

You should do it in a reasonable manner, no offense, because the way Airforce said it sounded angry and bigoted. Nudity will never happen in any city street of any country. Even secular ones.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

So Boaz will you consider going to Palestine for the list of countries that you want visit? just curious

I would love to go to Palestine but unfortunately the situation that is occuring there is not allowing me

 

[Predator]

So all 4.5 billion non muslims are filthy savages are they?

No , I was referring to those who want to come out Half nude ,drunk and take pictures of the Prophet's mosques as the filthy savages .

 

[Asiyah3]

Nudity will never happen in any city street of any country. Even secular ones.

That's not true. I've read many cases about naked people on streets. I just put the word 'naked' in the search engine of a newspaper and well there's quite a series of results... And now there's this new fashion 'nakedness is natural' 'this is 21th century!' blaa blaa.

 

[Supreme]

You should do it in a reasonable manner, no offense, because the way Airforce said it sounded angry and bigoted. Nudity will never happen in any city street of any country. Even secular ones.

Nudity fully depends on the society and culture. The Middle Eastern culture holds that the human body (and the female body in particular) is inherently sexual and therefore must be covered up and not be seen. The West asserts that the only sexualized features of the body are the breasts and genitals, and so long as they are covered up, it is ok. I think when Muslims here refer to nakedness, they mean the lesser sexualized features of the body, such as the arms and legs, being uncovered.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Its not because of Middle East "culture". Islam teaches us to cover our privates and has limits on what to wear for men and women.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Well the state has laws that everyone, even foreigners must abide by. The only places in Saudi Arabia where Saudi, or Sharia law doesn't apply is in foreign embassies.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

Well the state has laws that everyone, even foreigners must abide by. The only places in Saudi Arabia where Saudi, or Sharia law doesn't apply is in foreign embassies.

Lool, but if they are caught in the garden half naked then straight to prison ahahhahaha looks like those people will have to stay indoors in their embassies and they won't have fun for (accordance to what they call fun) so wats the point for them to come to sharia law countries anyways just let them strip in rio de jeniro or kingston it's more easier for them anyways.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Well, if they act like dumbasses, thenlet them face the Saudi courts.

 

[Ramadhan]

Well, if they act like dumbasses, thenlet them face the Saudi courts.

And if they are to face the saudi courts, the western countries would be undoubtedly crying foul, accusing the saudi for not respecting the human rights of those filthy people.

 

[Woodrow]

Nearly if not all faiths have at least one area of sanctuary within their churches, temples, shrines etcd. in which no person not of that faith is permitted to enter. Islam has only one alter and only one holy place of worship. This is the Ka'abah and the surrounding regions of Makkah and Medinah. a very small sanctuary for such a large religion. We do not make a fuss about being forbidden to enter into the sanctuary of other faiths, what is the big fuss if we refuse to let non-believers into the only sanctuary we have?

On another note, who ever gave the King of Saud poweri to allow non-Muslims into the Two Holy cities? He has no such authority to do such. In the past it was permitted for non-Muslims to complete any business transactions dealing with business within the cities but it has been a very long time since any non-Muslims had any business contracts that needed to be completed within Makkah or Medinah.

 

[Supreme]

Nearly if not all faiths have at least one area of sanctuary within their churches, temples, shrines etcd. in which no person not of that faith is permitted to enter. Islam has only one alter and only one holy place of worship. This is the Ka'abah and the surrounding regions of Makkah and Medinah. a very small sanctuary for such a large religion. We do not make a fuss about being forbidden to enter into the sanctuary of other faiths, what is the big fuss if we refuse to let non-believers into the only sanctuary we have?

On another note, who ever gave the King of Saud poweri to allow non-Muslims into the Two Holy cities? He has no such authority to do such. In the past it was permitted for non-Muslims to complete any business transactions dealing with business within the cities but it has been a very long time since any non-Muslims had any business contracts that needed to be completed within Makkah or Medinah.

I agree with this post 100%. It's an Islamic holy site, and what interest would non-Muslims have in visiting it? I also agree that the tyrannical joke that is the Saudi king is pushing the boundaries on this one Just another controversial decision from his laughable dictatorship, no doubt.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Isn't there a parliament or a religious council in KSA? The King can just do whatever the hell he wants?

 

[Woodrow]

Isn't there a parliament or a religious council in KSA? The King can just do whatever the hell he wants?

The Saud family is a Monarchy. The fairness of the rule, is limited to the fairness of the controlling family member.

Prior to the Saud rule the Arabian Peninsula was a series of principalities. The conquest of the principalities began in 1744 with the rise of the Saud family. The KSA was essentially the conquests of King Ibn Saud, and began with his conquest of Riyadh in 1902, the conquest of Nejd in 1906, and the conquest of Hijaz in 1924-1925 the 2 principalities were merged in 1932 by king Saud forming the KSA which then annexed the Asir region.

The Saud family did introduce a "Constitution" in 1992 so technically it is no longer a totalitarian monarchy. At least on paper. In practice ????????

 

[جوري]

I had a dream once a while ago about Mecca being desecrated .. on the floors of the holy mosque was the American flag with their eagle and the Saudi flag meant for people to step on it with their feet (in other words step on the name of Allah swt and the prophet).. I was very disturbed by that dream and now I see the meaning of it

la 7wala wla qiwta illa billah.. I really hope this doesn't come to pass.. the Saudi family are no spokes people for Muslims!

 

[Woodrow]

I had a dream once a while ago about Mecca being desecrated .. on the floors of the holy mosque was the American flag with their eagle and the Saudi flag meant for people to step on it with their feet (in other words step on the name of Allah swt and the prophet).. I was very disturbed by that dream and now I see the meaning of it

la 7wala wla qiwta illa billah.. I really hope this doesn't come to pass.. the Saudi family are no spokes people for Muslims!

They not only are not the spokes people for Muslims I do not believe they can even be considered spokes people for Arabs.

On a side note I personally know one member of the "Royal" family and he does not fit my thoughts of most of the family and is a very fine, pious Muslim. Sadly, I doubt there is any chance he will ever have any "power".

 

[UmmSqueakster]

I seem to remember reading a story about a non muslim taxi driver who got in trouble because he drove his taxi inside the haram area of Medina - meaning, that the city of Medina as a whole is non off limits to non muslims, but merely the haram area.

According to Sh. Wikipedia:

Like Mecca, the city of Medina only permits Muslims to enter, although the haram (area closed to non-Muslims) of Medina is much smaller than that of Mecca, with the result that many facilities on the outskirts of Medina are open to non-Muslims, whereas in Mecca the area closed to non-Muslims extends well beyond the limits of the built-up area.

According to wikitravel:

WARNING: Non-Muslims are strictly prohibited from entering Central Medina. The penalty is deportation from the country. Documentation will be checked upon entry and anyone not showing proof of being Muslim will be denied entry. However, many parts of the city, notably the outksirts and the Medina Airport, are open to all.

Shock, horror, there are non muslims in medina, and they're not cavorting around in bikinis and the world in fact has not ended.

 

[جوري]

Shock, horror, there are non muslims in medina, and they're not cavorting around in bikinis and the world in fact has not ended.

I have lived both in Riyadh and Jeddah and can assure you that foreigners in bikinis used to kick the men out of the compound where we lived turned off the light and made the pool off-limits to anyone who wanted it but them in their usual 'sense of entitlement' moments .. Now, no one is bothered by foreigners there doing their thing I do recommend you read 'confessions of an economic hit-man' as it will show you that parading in bikinis isn't all there is to foreign presence in KSA.. we are not protesting that they should be there, because plenty of them are there doing their thing. We are protesting that they should enter into the holy cities, for plenty of reasons, and I believe my number one would be the struggle many Muslims have to go there to fulfill their obligations as is, if this is made into a tourist spot to respecting or disrespecting non-Muslims.