Of racist scientists-- what do you think of this?

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I actually have to agree with this... Different races are genetic predisposed to different disease or conditions. I don't see why we can calmly accept something like most Africans being lactose intolerant and can't therefore drink normal milk but can't accept something that indicates something like intelligence is determined by our genes and that some races have better genes in this respect than others.

I'm not saying that his research is correct, and obviously the way he presented his opinion was very rude and offensive. But if it turns out that intelligence does have a genetic bases, are we going to reject it just because it doesn't sound right?

Anyway, I had no idea Watson was still alive!

I too (partially) agree with the scientist.

Even between men and women there are slightly different brain structures and brain patterns meaning they each have a strength and a weakness.

It'd make sense race would be similar. This is not to say any one race is superior, but they may different capabilities in different things. Id say some extra evidence is the prevalance of different physcological disorders among different groups.

Where it gets tricky is where you define race. Humans have been intermixing for thousands of yrs so a 'pure race' is almost impossible to find unless you go to isolated regions of the world. Even then, their culture and upbrining of children and environments are so different, it would be nearly impossibile to conclude that its soley genetics for the way they are.
 
i feel any observant person will realise that some races are collectively more intelligent than others, this is evident in their technological advancements and also their abilities to profer solutions to major problems facing mankind or their abilities to build complex structures. same way its clear to see that some races collectively are physicaly stronger than others, some are collectively taller and so on.... but when it comes to intelligence pple shy away from the obvious because intelligence or iq is often used by pple to establish racial supiriority claims. im no expert on racial biology and all that
 
If black not as smart as whites. Then how do you explain black doctors and white garbage men? I believe black people don't get the same opportunity as whites because lack of money.
 
If black not as smart as whites. Then how do you explain black doctors and white garbage men? I believe black people don't get the same opportunity as whites because lack of money.
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that's right!

get a white man put him in Hick Town USA and you can make him in to a Jed Clampit

Take a black man educate him and he can turn in to a Colin Powell
 
Why do KKK and conservatives hate blacks? Are conservatives and KKK suppose to be religious? Since when did they adopt the superior race cr@p?
 
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that's right!

get a white man put him in Hick Town USA and you can make him in to a Jed Clampit

Take a black man educate him and he can turn in to a Colin Powell

You may want to read the article again. he never claimed this would be true in all cases, just a hell of alot more likely.

Looking at the education system, there is a correlation between race and academic performance. Now what that means is up to you, just dont set up strawmans.
 
the truth about racial intelligence will never be aknowledged even if proven beyond every reasonable doubt because it will create a lot of confusion and discrimination if revealed and accepted by society.
 
why does it always have to be white vs black? ive read many articles stating tht east asians are more intelligent than whites but nobody seems to be bothered by such statements. what abt asking the question 'are arabs more intelligent than indians'? or are whites more intelligent than arabs? y is it always white vs black?
 
Arabs smarter then Indians I doubt it. Who has the nuclear bomb? Who still live under dictatorship and oppression? With high poverty indians children still graducate from colleges and university. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq and many arab countries have high drop out and jobless rate. Some arabs come to Pakistan and India to get education.
 
Arabs smarter then Indians I doubt it. Who has the nuclear bomb? Who still live under dictatorship and oppression? With high poverty indians children still graducate from colleges and university. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq and many arab countries have high drop out and jobless rate. Some arabs come to Pakistan and India to get education.

thats not a way of measuring intelligence, dropping out of school does not necessarily mean someone is less intelligent, infact i know alot of intelligent people that have dropped out of school maybe because the school curriculum was too slow for them or they might have plans outside the walls of schools. i was just trying to make a point not stating any facts or asking for reasons to imply that indians are more intelligent than arabs or vice versa.
 
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It is possible that some races or groups of people have evolved their brain in a different way than the others have. However, I think that differences, if they exist, are rather small and do not make raising a black child any different from raising a white child. Intelligence does not depend on the brain itself, that is to say DNA, but rather on how well the brain was trained or activated during its development in the childhood.
In my opinion, the main factor considering intelligence is the environment.
People in Africa often do not receive proper upbringing and education, which does make them less intelligent, which was proven by tests. That does not mean that they do not have the potential to become intelligent, they just don't have the opportunity to take advantage of it.
 
This certainly is an interesting site.:happy:

Jewish Nobel prize winners:
Chemistry (29 prize winners, 19% of world total, 28% of US total)
Economics (25 prize winners, 41% of world total, 55% of US total)
Literature (13 prize winners, 13% of world total, 27% of US total)
Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)3
Physics (47 prize winners, 26% of world total, 38% of US total)
Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 28% of world total, 41% of US total)

Does that mean that the Jews have superior brain? Or does it mean that their way of education, their way of sticking together and helping each other is superior?

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It is possible that some races or groups of people have evolved their brain in a different way than the others have. However, I think that differences, if they exist, are rather small and do not make raising a black child any different from raising a white child. Intelligence does not depend on the brain itself, that is to say DNA, but rather on how well the brain was trained or activated during its development in the childhood.
In my opinion, the main factor considering intelligence is the environment.
People in Africa often do not receive proper upbringing and education, which does make them less intelligent, which was proven by tests. That does not mean that they do not have the potential to become intelligent, they just don't have the opportunity to take advantage of it.

but collectively, whose fault is it that africans dont have the right environment or facilities to enhance intelligence? failure of them to work together as a unit inorder to develop things that are necessary for their advancement is the cause of backwardness. and when u say africans i think thts not a right form of classification because africans are a diverse people and each region or race or ethnicity in africa has its own problems or achievements unique to it. im not implying tht every white person is smarter than every black person or every chinese is smarter than every white person, what i believe should be the issue here is how effectively the people can work together as a unit inorder to make reasonable advancements and technological breakthroughs etc...............
 
but collectively, whose fault is it that africans dont have the right environment or facilities to enhance intelligence? failure of them to work together as a unit inorder to develop things that are necessary for their advancement is the cause of backwardness. and when u say africans i think thts not a right form of classification because africans are a diverse people and each region or race or ethnicity in africa has its own problems or achievements unique to it. im not implying tht every white person is smarter than every black person or every chinese is smarter than every white person, what i believe should be the issue here is how effectively the people can work together as a unit inorder to make reasonable advancements and technological breakthroughs etc...............
Politics, bro, politics...:playing:
 
but collectively, whose fault is it that africans dont have the right environment or facilities to enhance intelligence? failure of them to work together as a unit inorder to develop things that are necessary for their advancement is the cause of backwardness.

I don't think that is very fair- there are many other factors involved.
 
but collectively, whose fault is it that africans dont have the right environment or facilities to enhance intelligence? failure of them to work together as a unit inorder to develop things that are necessary for their advancement is the cause of backwardness. and when u say africans i think thts not a right form of classification because africans are a diverse people and each region or race or ethnicity in africa has its own problems or achievements unique to it. im not implying tht every white person is smarter than every black person or every chinese is smarter than every white person, what i believe should be the issue here is how effectively the people can work together as a unit inorder to make reasonable advancements and technological breakthroughs etc...............
There are several problems with what you are saying, nevesirth.

First of all, who are "the Africans"? Does this include the Nubians, who founded Egyptian dynasties and built pyramids? Or people who originated the Afro-Semetic languages, who would one day create the great Babylonian empires and start the religions of Judaism and (later) Islam? There are no clear-cut dividing lines between the races, the very concept of "race" is deeply flawed.

What do exist are groups of human beings living in various degrees of isolation from one another. When a species group is isolated, its available gene pool is decreased, and harmful mutations can spread rapidly. This is why, for example, Ashkenazi Jews are highly susceptible to hemophelia and Tay-Sachs disease.

Africans with darker skin are often more susceptible to sickle-cell anemia, though this is actually an adaption, not a result of isolation. Such people lived near jungles, where malaria was common. The genetic mutation that makes you susceptible to sickle-cell also increases your resistance to malaria, so obviously this genetic mutation was selected for by their environment.

Now. It's not particularly difficult to see how genetic differences, like the ones mentioned above, can arise among distinct groups of human beings. Intelligence, on the other hand, is another matter entirely.

First of all, we have no legitimate definition of intelligence. How would you define intelligence? A score on an IQ test? All IQ tests are heavily biased towards specific cultures.

Also, the mechanisms that determine intelligence in the brain—unlike the genetics of diseases—are not even close to being understood. It is also not clear to what extent genetic differences play into determining intelligence.

Now, I certainly agree that certain groups of humans have cultures that are conspicuously more war-torn or ignorant than other cultures. But I think it would be very foolish to attribute such differences to genetic differences. Just look at the history of the world, and all of the different cultures in the world. People of all skin cultures have had their great civilizations, black Africans, Arabs, Chinese, native Americans, Indo-Europeans. To whatever extent there is a pattern here, it is largely determined by geography more than anything. The people who lived closer to stable sources of grain and water were better able to develop flourishing civilizations. The cultures of these civilizations then would compete with each other, influencing each other on grand scales well beyond the genetic differences of the individuals that made them up.

If you haven't read it, I'd recommend Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel. It's a pretty insightful explanation of how and why different groups of people ended up with such different cultures—and it shows how little these differences have to do with individuals, let alone genetics.
 
There are several problems with what you are saying, nevesirth.

First of all, who are "the Africans"? Does this include the Nubians, who founded Egyptian dynasties and built pyramids? Or people who originated the Afro-Semetic languages, who would one day create the great Babylonian empires and start the religions of Judaism and (later) Islam? There are no clear-cut dividing lines between the races, the very concept of "race" is deeply flawed.

What do exist are groups of human beings living in various degrees of isolation from one another. When a species group is isolated, its available gene pool is decreased, and harmful mutations can spread rapidly. This is why, for example, Ashkenazi Jews are highly susceptible to hemophelia and Tay-Sachs disease.

Africans with darker skin are often more susceptible to sickle-cell anemia, though this is actually an adaption, not a result of isolation. Such people lived near jungles, where malaria was common. The genetic mutation that makes you susceptible to sickle-cell also increases your resistance to malaria, so obviously this genetic mutation was selected for by their environment.

Now. It's not particularly difficult to see how genetic differences, like the ones mentioned above, can arise among distinct groups of human beings. Intelligence, on the other hand, is another matter entirely.

First of all, we have no legitimate definition of intelligence. How would you define intelligence? A score on an IQ test? All IQ tests are heavily biased towards specific cultures.

Also, the mechanisms that determine intelligence in the brain—unlike the genetics of diseases—are not even close to being understood. It is also not clear to what extent genetic differences play into determining intelligence.

Now, I certainly agree that certain groups of humans have cultures that are conspicuously more war-torn or ignorant than other cultures. But I think it would be very foolish to attribute such differences to genetic differences. Just look at the history of the world, and all of the different cultures in the world. People of all skin cultures have had their great civilizations, black Africans, Arabs, Chinese, native Americans, Indo-Europeans. To whatever extent there is a pattern here, it is largely determined by geography more than anything. The people who lived closer to stable sources of grain and water were better able to develop flourishing civilizations. The cultures of these civilizations then would compete with each other, influencing each other on grand scales well beyond the genetic differences of the individuals that made them up.

If you haven't read it, I'd recommend Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel. It's a pretty insightful explanation of how and why different groups of people ended up with such different cultures—and it shows how little these differences have to do with individuals, let alone genetics.

i understand what u mean, but i made it clear that africans are a diverse people. so we cant use the term 'african' to refer to a specific race or ethnicity in the african continent. im not trying to prove if certain african races are more or less intelligent than caucasians, im just pointing out the inability or failure of some of these people to work together as an intelligent unit in order to pfofer solutions to problems hindering advancement
 
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