OSLO terrorist attack

[Perseveranze]

I lol'd, their trying to brush it off like he' "insane" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14294251

The 9/11 terrorists were all SANE, but now a Christian does it, "must be insane...".

 

[ابن آل مرة]

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Did you say something?

 

[May Ayob]

As I said, it would be relevant if they did it in the name of religion or justified it through religion, and it would also be relevant if they did it in the name of blackness or justified it through blackness.

If by means? So it does have an importance when someone claims that the Bible or the Qur'an ..etc promotes let's say violence, What importanve does it really make? Except a better arguement for Atheism maybe??

To me it would not be relevant if they did it in the name of religion, ethnicity or not, what matters is that the act being done is wrong, the rest is a cause of rumors, hatred, gossip and phobia

No offense intended

Peace be to you

 

[MartyrX]

This man is insane and everyone is calling him a maniac and this a disaster. This was a terrorist attack, plain and simple. But since he's not a Muslim, it won't be labeled as such.

 

[جوري]

This man is insane and everyone is calling him a maniac and this a disaster. This was a terrorist attack, plain and simple. But since he's not a Muslim, it won't be labeled as such.

yeah 'bill O'Reilly' is lashing out at the media for calling him 'christian' when that's exactly what he's and what he embodies.. I am surprised bill O'Reilly doesn't take to the streets and do the same, he's one of the most intolerant creeps there are!

 

[sister herb]

This man is insane and everyone is calling him a maniac and this a disaster. This was a terrorist attack, plain and simple. But since he's not a Muslim, it won't be labeled as such.

Salam alaykum;

in many newspapers in Nordic countries he is labeled as terrorist as well they called his act as "terrorist act".

 

[Ramadhan]

I would even say MOST western people are against Muslims (or any other civillians) being killed by western troops.

sorry, but the reality does not support your belief.

 

[GuestFellow]

I would even say MOST western people are against Muslims (or any other civillians) being killed by western troops.

How do you know? You have not met every single westerner. Besides, some westerners support the troops.

 

[Pygoscelis]

yeah 'bill O'Reilly' is lashing out at the media for calling him 'christian' when that's exactly what he's and what he embodies.. I am surprised bill O'Reilly doesn't take to the streets and do the same, he's one of the most intolerant creeps there are!

Somebody check the temperature in the underworld, because I completely agree with Lily on this.

 

[Pygoscelis]

How do you know?

It is my perception. You might ask Ramadhan the same question. Also note that being a nonmuslim I can speak to weterners not in the presence of a muslim. It does make a difference in some people in what they'll say.

Besides, some westerners support the troops.

That isn't the same thing. I would say that most westerners who support the troops support them in their mission to kill terrorists and stabalize the region (as misguided and naive as that may be) and return safely. I have not encountered westerners who support killing muslim civilians, or muslims in general, except for on extreme right conservative fundamentalist christian boards.

 

[جوري]

Somebody check the temperature in the underworld, because I completely agree with Lily on this.

It isn't the first time you agree with me on something, so it is no longer news. You don't like polarity I can tell, what you fail to understand is that Islam is the balanced middle ground!

best,

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Echo the comments made earlier, a horrible atrocity imsad

The Islamaphobes got a beating.

Look at this joke of a newspaper -

Someone's going to get fired or atleast an apology.

Yes, mainstream media (particularly the right wing) and terrorism ‘experts’ were salivating at the prospect, you could of only imagined the feeding frenzy that would of occurred had it been committed by some off shoot of Al Qaida. When they discovered it wasn’t who they expected, they seemed almost, disappointed.

Heres some letters

Letters: The Norwegian massacre

Now that the architect of the Norwegian massacre turns out to be a blue-eyed, blond, white, Christian, right-wing fundamentalist, where have all the so-called experts on "Islamic terrorism" suddenly gone?

Even in The Independent (23 July) we read that "Jihadists networks have long singled out Norway", and quotes from several "expert" were strung together to make the case for an al-Qaida-inspired attack.

I look forward to now seeing an equally vigorous explanation of how Norway was "always a key target" for right-wing neo-Nazi groups, supported by a plethora of experts on "Christian terrorism" to explain the theological basis for these attacks.

Dr Shazad Amin
Sale, Manchester

The appalling incident in Norway displayed something equally frightening, the Islamophobia of the British media. On Friday night's BBC News, their lead man immediately prattled on at length about Islamic extremists and even brought in a university al-Qa'ida expert. I look forward to hearing the BBC apologise for their transparent prejudice.

Sadly, even The Independent wheeled out a story on Saturday to present a case for Norway as a terrorist target. Good case, but in the context of Norway, drivel.

Derek Wharton
West Kirby, Wirrral

Will the praise of the English Defence League and other far-right groups by the mass-murdering Norwegian Christian fundamentalist terrorist Anders Behring Breivik make these groups think twice about their anti-Muslim stance? Probably not.

But to the rest of us it should confirm what we already know: that it is extremism, whether religious or political, that poses the greatest threat to our safety and security, not any particular religion or political grouping.

Organisations such as EDL and the BNP find it convenient to demonise the Muslim faith as a whole, ignoring the presence of just as dangerous individuals and groups within the Christian faith, and within the ranks of their own supporters, as within the Muslim religion.

Francis Kirkham
Crediton, Devon

Interesting, isn't it? Two Prime Ministers, two reactions to the shootings in Norway. The Prime Minister of Norway: "We must counter such attacks with more democracy." David Cameron: "We must learn lessons from [what happened in Norway] and take measures to become more secure." As if.

One reaction is based on belief in what is right, the other is based on fear. I vote for more democracy.

Jenny Backwell
Hove, East Sussex

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/letters/letters-the-norwegian-massacre-2319834.html

On the subject of the Norwegian Prime Minster, have to say I’ve been impressed by his (and his nations) reaction.

 

[Khalil_Allah]

Well, now they are talking critically about the right-wing anti-Islam people that influenced this guy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/world/europe/28europe.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

For years I have been anxious and nervous of what happens once these anti-Islam people start to take power on their anti-Islam rhetoric. With all the Geert Wilders and Robert Spencers and Pamela Gellars, it was inevitable that something like this should happen in the West, but I expected it to be against Muslims. And I feared that it would reach the level of systematic government-sponsored violence, although most of that already goes on overseas in Muslim countries.

But now someone freaked and went against the "enablers" of "muslim cultural-marxism." I pray for the victims and all those affected, but I also pray that this starts a counter-movement against the anti-Islam people such that this sort of violence doesn't turn against the Muslims. This guy cited so many of these right-wing anti-Islam types that they look guilty by association, and now they're credibility is trashed as they scramble to defend themselves and their ideologies for something they didn't do. The irony is that for the longest time, we have been scrambling to defend ourselves and our religion against their claims, and now the tables are turned.

 

[User29123]

They will pin this on us Muslims like they usually do, first they said this guy was influenced by Modern Warfare 2 (lol) and now it the Muslims...

EDIT

something interesting I found here:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/media-slammed-for-linking-islam-to-norway-attacks-59635.html


I hope they get sued!!

 

[Trumble]

I lol'd, their trying to brush it off like he' "insane" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14294251

The 9/11 terrorists were all SANE, but now a Christian does it, "must be insane...".

Erm... you do realize that the 'they' in this instance was his defense lawyer?!!

 

[Who Am I?]

The media feeds prejudice by revealing the religion or race of a person involved in criminal activity. The rule should be to always reveal it or never reveal it. The better choice should be to never reveal it.

I have said this for years, that the media loves to perpetrate racial tension in the USA. After all, a people divided are easier for the government to control. If we're too busy hating each other, we won't realize that our freedoms are slowly being taken away.

I remember back in 1995, Timothy McVeigh was supposedly "influenced by Muslim extremists" before he bombed that building in Oklahoma City. So even when it's a non-Muslim, non-Arab guy, the media still tries to link it back to Islam and Muslims somehow.

 

[جوري]

the media still tries to link it back to Islam and Muslims somehow.

yup, kids who go postal are influenced by Muslims, registered sex offenders are influenced by Muslims (which is interesting because I just read a case yesterday where a guy had to register for engaging in relations with his then girlfriend now wife at the age of 15 and he 19 by Texas law that's considered statutory rape, so he registered as a sex offender he later married her and has four kids with her with that cloud hanging over his head-- but again he's a pedophile and rapist according to their law) if you beat your wife or partner as is the case with one out of four American women you're influenced by Muslims, if you cheat on your wife or take another partner (illegally) as do 50% of men in the west then you're influenced by Muslims and Islam..
got the pic? they're a state of perfection and all their troubles have reigned from Islam and Muslims..

 

[Who Am I?]

yup, kids who go postal are influenced by Muslims, registered sex offenders are influenced by Muslims (which is interesting because I just read a case yesterday where a guy had to register for engaging in relations with his then girlfriend now wife at the age of 15 and he 19 by Texas law that's considered statutory rape, so he registered as a sex offender he later married her and has four kids with her with that cloud hanging over his head-- but again he's a pedophile and rapist according to their law) if you beat your wife or partner as is the case with one out of four American women you're influenced by Muslims, if you cheat on your wife or take another partner (illegally) as do 50% of men in the west then you're influenced by Muslims and Islam..
got the pic? they're a state of perfection and all their troubles have reigned from Islam and Muslims..

I never really noticed it before I started really studying Islam, but I have been noticing more that the Muslim community gets blamed unfairly for a lot of things that happen in the West, things that I think can really be pinned on Western culture and our secular society.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Heres a good debate on the subject, however be warned it does get quite heated.

 

[GuestFellow]

It is my perception. You might ask Ramadhan the same question. Also note that being a nonmuslim I can speak to weterners not in the presence of a muslim. It does make a difference in some people in what they'll say.

Your perception does not equate to reality. I'm sure some westerners are against the killings of Muslim civilians. There are some that support the killings of Muslim civilians. Do you have any evidence to suggest that most westerners are against such killings? Westerner is a very broad term, by we are referring to EU countries and America.

That isn't the same thing. I would say that most westerners who support the troops support them in their mission to kill terrorists and stabalize the region (as misguided and naive as that may be) and return safely. I have not encountered westerners who support killing muslim civilians, or muslims in general, except for on extreme right conservative fundamentalist christian boards.

If they support the troops, then surely they support the troops actions? The troops have killed civilians. Sometimes, these are termed as collateral damage. So I suppose westerners that support the troops, must support these killings.

Erm... you do realize that the 'they' in this instance was his defense lawyer?!!

So? What evidence is there to support that he is mentally disturbed?

Salaam

Heres a good debate on the subject, however be warned it does get quite heated.

Salaam,

I like crosstalk, except when everyone starts interrupting each other.