Palestinian Holocaust Memorial Museum

[Muslim Woman]

Palestinian Holocaust Memorial Museum

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/GazaHolocaustMuseum/index.shtml

"… they [ the Palestinians] will bring upon themselves a bigger 'shoah' [a Hebrew word for catastrophe and a synonym for the Nazi Holocaust] because we will use all our might to defend ourselves." Israel's deputy defense minister Matan Vilnai told Army Radio on Friday, February 29, 2008

The Palestinian Holocaust Memorial Museum (PHMM) will feature the photos, names and stories of Palestinian children killed by Israeli forces in the context of a new Holocaust. PHMM will highlight the elements of the new Holocaust; the locations, weapons and impacts. Testimonies of the survivors will also be published..


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[Woodrow]

The biggest value of it will be that even while in the planning stages it will show that there are 2 sides to Palestine/Israel and that for the most part the world has been only seeing one side.

 

[Izyan]

This whole thing diminishes the current plight of the Palestinians. Because this is being dubbed a Palestinian "Holocaust" Museum it won't be taken serious. Not because it's Palestinans but because what is going on in Palestine is not a holocaust in any definition of the word.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace

... what is going on in Palestine is not a holocaust ...

what it is ???


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Kindly send us any information of the Palestinian children killed by Israeli forces in the context of the new Holocaust.

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Preferred form of information

- Name (of the child)

- Age

- Date of Death

- Place of Death

- Weapon Type

- Details of the last hours

- His/her Hobbies

- His /her Dreams

- Belongings (photos, videos, diaries …)

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[Karina]

what it is ???

From the Greek: "holos" (completely) and "kaustos" (burned sacrificial offering).

Hello,

Just for info:

Holocaust can mean:

The Holocaust, or Shoah, the systematic killing mainly of six million Jews, but also of Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals and other "undesirable" groups in Europe during World War II. Since 1978, this has been the main meaning of the English term.

holocaust (sacrifice), a burnt offering, from Greek holo-kauston "all burnt". The original sense, referring to a completely-burnt sacrifice
By extension the word was used in English to refer to other acts of obliteration by burning (or massacres in general).

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[Fishman]

I agree with some of the posters above, although what is happening in Palestine is bad, it is not a Holocaust. A holocaust implies the systematic extermination of an entire people. The Nazis didn't just drop a few bombs or demolish a few homes, they sorted people out by name, put all them in train wagons and then killed the lot. The Palestinians are being persecuted and in many cases killed, but it is by no means an extermination.

Perhaps the memorial should be called the 'Palestinian Memorial'.

A Bosnia memorial would also be a good idea as well, as that was a holocaust. everybody seemed to have forgotten what happened in Kosovo and Bosnia until Kosovo got independence.

 

[Muslim Woman]

.... A holocaust implies the systematic extermination of an entire people.

so we will wait for Holocaust museum till Zionists murder All the Palestine people ?

 

[Amadeus85]

so we will wait for Holocaust museum till Zionists murder All the Palestine people ?

Not but how you wanna call a mass murder of Palestinians if it really happen (God forbids) in future. Fishman meants that Holocaust is a word for specific event in history and related only to this event.

 

[snakelegs]

not sure where they are planning to build it?
i agree - it would be better to call it a memorial.
however, when the deputy defense minister used the word...........maybe the rules changed.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

.. Fishman meants that Holocaust is a word for specific event in history and related only to this event.

word meaning changes from time to time.

So if still holocaust means only to a past event , it should have a new meaning now.

How victims of holocaust are creating another holocaust i.e in Palestine.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/MuslimAffairs/gaza/index.shtml

 

[Woodrow]

From the common vernacular usage the meaning of holocaust seems to be changing. In common usage of todays media I see it being used more in terms of mass killings or persecution under the direction of a nations policy.

 

[Fishman]

so we will wait for Holocaust museum till Zionists murder All the Palestine people ?

Yes, because at the moment it is not a Holocaust. It is persecution. Probably even mass persecution. But it is not a Holocaust or a genocide, certainly not a 'greater holocaust'. When Palestinians are being herded into gas chambers or being shot in warehouses then yes, call that a Holocaust all you like. But since that fortunately is not and has not happened, it is not a Holocaust.

word meaning changes from time to time.

The word 'Holocaust' has not changed its meaning. It is just politicians and fanatics who spin it up and call anything a 'Holocaust' just to make their cause seem more worthy or their suffering much worse.

Have a memorial for Palestinians, certainly, but just don't call it a Holocaust.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

From the common vernacular usage the meaning of holocaust seems to be changing. In common usage of todays media I see it being used more in terms of mass killings or persecution under the direction of a nations policy.

It's the same with Mecca. The word refers to a specific place in the KSA, as well as to any point of attraction.

 

[Trumble]

I agree with previous posters... hijacking the word 'holocaust' (I disagree with Woodrow that there has been any change in its generally understood meaning) will do what is otherwise a very worthwhile project no good at all. The same applies to use of language such as "testimonies of the survivors will also be published". Terrible as the conflict is there are far more 'survivors' than victims, which was most certainly not the case for those sent to the Nazi extermination camps.

To be honest I find the attempt to ape memorials of the holocaust blatantly political, rather pathetic and indeed insulting to the dead of both conflicts. 'Memorial' is both dignified, and sufficient.

 

[Izyan]

Salaam/peace;



word meaning changes from time to time.

So if still holocaust means only to a past event , it should have a new meaning now.

How victims of holocaust are creating another holocaust i.e in Palestine.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/MuslimAffairs/gaza/index.shtml

Not this word. 5000 people in 10 years might be a tragedy but it is not a holocaust. Also this General is an idiot and was reprimanded by Olmert.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

5000 people in 10 years might be a tragedy but it is not a holocaust. .

lol how many should die to make it a holocaust ?

your source pl. for the number of the dead people. How many kids were murdered in Palestine in last 10 yrs ?




A Palestinian Child's Message

A child explains her sufferings with shooting all around. Her words touch the hearts deeply. Don't be shocked by her words.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/GazaHolocaustMuseum/topic_03/01.shtml

 

[Muslim Woman]

Weapons

Negev Commando

Sniper Rifle SR-99

Air-to-Ground Missile






http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/GazaHolocaustMuseum/topic_02/index.shtml

 

[SATalha]

You cannot deny that since the occupation there has been a policy not only to remove Palestinians, but also exterminate them from their homes and villiges. Its been happning the past decades, so its not a "holocaust" now. Its more of a slow and painful extermination. One thing is for certain the Zionist are no better then the Nazis! Infact they are same.

 

[Izyan]

You cannot deny that since the occupation there has been a policy not only to remove Palestinians, but also exterminate them from their homes and villiges. Its been happning the past decades, so its not a "holocaust" now. Its more of a slow and painful extermination. One thing is for certain the Zionist are no better then the Nazis! Infact they are same.

You do realize hyperbole like this undermines your argument right?

 

[Izyan]

Salaam/peace;



lol how many should die to make it a holocaust ?

your source pl. for the number of the dead people. How many kids were murdered in Palestine in last 10 yrs ?




A Palestinian Child's Message

A child explains her sufferings with shooting all around. Her words touch the hearts deeply. Don't be shocked by her words.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/GazaHolocaustMuseum/topic_03/01.shtml

4,604 palestinians and 1,033 Isreali deaths since 2000

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html