Palestinians/Formation of Israel

[ManchesterFolk]

That quotes was said by one of the most powerful Arab Generals before they went into Israel.

he gave them the orders to 'kill the jews wherever you find them'

I showed you this quote in response to you saying that the Arab Nations sent men into to stop agression towards Arabs.

In reality they were sent in to kill Jews. Just like there nazi buddies did before them.

 

[kadafi]

That quotes was said by one of the most powerful Arab Generals before they went into Israel.

he gave them the orders to 'kill the jews wherever you find them'

Hello ManchesterFolk

It would be wise to verify your research before you keep spreading your misleading information.

That quote is attributed to the Mufti and is known as the so-called speech that he made in a radio broadcast in Berlin.

Regards

 

[ManchesterFolk]

I'm sorry that was the wrong quote.

The Quote that is said in the audio which I am looking for you right now is something like this:

"Kill every jew wherever they hide! Show them no mercy because they do not deserve any! Rid our land of the dirty Jew!"

 

[kadafi]

I'm sorry that was the wrong quote.

The Quote that is said in the audio which I am looking for you right now is something like this:

"Kill every jew wherever they hide! Show them no mercy because they do not deserve any! Rid our land of the dirty Jew!"

And there you go, you have wrongly accussed Mufti of promoting genocide against the Jews. You have admitted your mistake which is correct.

The Mufti is an influental person who has done many good things for the Muslims in Palestine. Remember that Zionists influental leaders were known to promote genocide before the creation of Israel. This is evident in their writings.

Regards

 

[ManchesterFolk]

And there you go, you have wrongly accussed Mufti of promoting genocide against the Jews. You have admitted your mistake which is correct.

Wrong. Mufti was still a Nazi/Jew hating bigot who wished to exterminate every Jew from the world.

The quote I presented was said by him. The audio I heard was said by a top general of arab forces though. So I presented you witht the wrong quote. Both were said, I just have only 1 on audio. I can probably get you the other since Mufti made many radio broadcasts.

The Mufti is still very guilty.

 

[kadafi]

Wrong. Mufti was still a Nazi/Jew hating bigot who wished to exterminate every Jew from the world.

After giving you numerous warnings of trying to slander individuals without justification, you have been given the final warning.

One of the forum rule states:

16. No attacks against Islam in any form will be tolerated on this discussion board. This includes, but is not limited to attacks on the Qur'an, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), his family and companions, or any other prophets in Islam, or Islamic scholars, past or present. While some may complain that there is "freedom of speech" please remember this is a privately owned discussion board which was created and is maintained to serve the purpose of promoting Islam. What is allowed in speech is determined by the Admin and not the member.
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If you cannot defend your position intellectually without resorting to slander, then please, in the future, refrain from posting.

Regards

 

[afriend]

1. They should both share the land.....and not be persucuted for doing so....It is Palestinian land in the first place...But Palestinians don't mind sharing...but they should get the larger half.....

2.In link with Q1, I feel that they had no choice but to flee to the refuge camps.....Israel thinks that just moving into someone's house and putting the residents in the backgarden shed is ok.....so if you want to do that in Israel, by all means I mean......that's what they did........Admit that atleast....

 

[lavikor201]

Proof of the Grand Mufti and the Nazi's collaboration to kill Jews.

Source: The Arab Higher Committee

 

[afriend]

You can't use some half baked source to show that all muslims were for this terrible event that occured.....I expect more from you brother lavikor.....Yes...my brother.....

 

[lavikor201]

You can't use some half baked source to show that all muslims were for this terrible event that occured.....I expect more from you brother lavikor.....Yes...my brother.....

I'm not saying Muslims are guilty. I am saying that Mufti was guilty!

Just about all Muslims were innocent. But the Mufti was not.

 

[kadafi]

Propagandic garbage from Israeli Websites are deleted unless you expound it by adding your independant thinking instead of going on a CAP spree.

If you want to discuss certain key topic, then please, offer your POV without copy-pasting articles upon articles from various biased sources. This is a discussion forum and not some sort of CAP forum.

Regards

 

[lavikor201]

Here are my thoughts. I believe The Grand Mufti is responsible for killing many Jews. Muslims are pretty much innocent. But this mad man is not.

In this letter he asks Hungary to send the Jews to Poland where they are exterminated. 400,000 lives. It makes me very sad when someone tries to deny this sicko has blood on his hands.

I would like to debate anyone who thinks he is innocent.

here is the letter which is my source for why he is complicent in the killing of Jews in Europe. [/quote]

 

[kadafi]

Here are my thoughts. I believe The Grand Mufti is responsible for killing many Jews. Muslims are pretty much innocent. But this mad man is not.

In this letter he asks Hungary to send the Jews to Poland where they are exterminated. 400,000 lives. It makes me very sad when someone tries to deny this sicko has blood on his hands.

I would like to debate anyone who thinks he is innocent.

here is the letter which is my source for why he is complicent in the killing of Jews in Europe.

Lavikor201, you're still the victim of propaganda by only referring to the Pro-Israeli forces with their alleged "letters" from the Mufti.

Anyone who has read a decent objective books on the Palestinian conflict would know that al-Husseini collobrated with the Nazi Regime for the sole reason of stopping the Jewish immigration to his homeland. In addition, he created a voluntary guard to help secure the villagers from the Zionists onslaught where they were known for massacring whole villages. In fact, most Palestinians broke off and rebelled against the German forces by joining the French resistance.

Further, what seem Zionists fail to mention is that some Palestinians have given their lives to save the Jews by creating a Palestine Regiment where Jews and Muslims fought side by side against the forces of Hitler in Libya. There is also a overwhelming evidence that Palestinians were enlisted in the British Army to fight against the Nazi Forces.

Regards

 

[lavikor201]

I never said all Muslims were Nazi's.

The Grand Mufti was a Nazi though.

He was granted audiances with Hitler and top SS officials, he recruited divisions for the SS to gas Jews in death camps.

He has the blood of many Jews on his hands.

To deny this is to deny history.

I have the scanned letters with his signatures ect...

You just have edited my posts because you call them 'propoganda' when in reality it is proof, and no more propoganda than the sites your present as your sources.

 

[kadafi]

I never said all Muslims were Nazi's.

The Grand Mufti was a Nazi though.

He was granted audiances with Hitler and top SS officials, he recruited divisions for the SS to gas Jews in death camps.

He has the blood of many Jews on his hands.

To deny this is to deny history.

Hello lavikor

Again unfound allegations. Al-Husseini attempted to call for Jihad but only few responded, however, his division as I previously explained was a voluntary guard to help secure the villagers from the Zionists onslaught.

I could list all the atrocities commited by the Zionist organisations prior to the exodus.

The massacres at Eilaboun, Ad-Dawayima, Jish, Safsaf, Majd al-Kurum, Hule, Saliha and Sasa and on.

As the Israeli journalist Benny Morris states:

The village, wrote Kaplan, had been held by Arab "irregulars" and was captured by the 89th Battalion (8th Brigade) without a fight. "The first (wave) of conquerors killed about 80 to 100 Arab men, women and children. The children they killed by breaking their heads with sticks. There was not a house without dead," wrote Kaplan. Kaplan's informant, who arrived immediately afterwards in the second wave, reported that the Arab men and women who remained were then closed off in the houses "without food and water." Sappers arrived to blow up the houses. "One commander ordereda sapper to put two old women in a certain house ... and to blow up the house with them. The sapper refused ... The commander then ordered his men to put in the old women and the evil deed was done. One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her. One woman with anewborn baby in her arms was employed to clean the courtyard where the soldiers ate. She worked a day or two. In the end they shot her and her baby." The soldier-witness, according to Kaplan, said that "cultured officers ... had turned into base murderers and this not in the heat of battle ... but out of a system of expulsion and destruction. The less Arabs remained - the better. This principle is the motor for the expulsions and the atrocities."

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[lavikor201]

And I can talk about the Arab riots that killed many Jews on a holy day of ours Passover.

The first Arab riots of the Mandate period took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, in March 1920 ("Bloody Passover"). They were instigated by Arabs acting on unfounded rumors of Jewish actions against Arabs. The British military authorities did not intervene in the Arab attacks, while Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Jews were arrested for organizing a self-defense league. In April 1920, Joseph Trumpeldor and others were killed in the defense of Tel Hai, a settlement in the Upper Galilee. These developments led to the founding of the Haganah on June 15, 1920.

Haj Amin al-Husseini emerged as one of the leaders of the 1920 Arab riots in Palestine and incited the masses to murder Jews and loot their homes. While only in his late twenties, he became the youngest ever Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921, supported by the British.

May 1921 brought new violence in Jaffa followed by large-scale attacks on Rehovot, Petah Tikva, and other Jewish areas. The death toll among the Jews was 47 with 140 wounded.

 

[kadafi]

And I can talk about the Arab riots that killed many Jews on a holy day of ours Passover.

So far, nothing is accomplished. I have entered the discussion to at come to understanding of why Israel has shunned neogations and failed to recognize the Palestine state and all I keep getting is CAP from one Israeli source and another. The lastest one being palestinefacts.org

http://www.whois-search.com/whois/palestinefacts.org

which belongs to the The Zionist Organization of America

It is like some people have never heard of objective research.

Nevertheless lavikor201, perhaps you could answer the following questions and we take it from there.

Why did the Israeli Governement fail to recognize the Palestine State whilst the Palestinians have recognized the Israeli state (and did not call for destruction) on numerous occasions.

Why has the Israeli goverment shunned the peace talks in Camp David while they were on the verge of coming to a solution.

 

[lavikor201]

Why did the Israeli Governement fail to recognize the Palestine State whilst the Palestinians have recognized the Israeli state (and did not call for destruction) on numerous occasions.

Have you read the Hamas charter? Have you heard the leaders of Hamas?

They refuse to recongnize the state of Israel. Abbas tried to convince Hamas to, but they refused. No plan to recongnize Israel has been accepted by Hamas the main governing body of the Palestinian people.

Why has the Israeli goverment shunned the peace talks in Camp David while they were on the verge of coming to a solution.

Arafat would have never accepted any reasonable plan. There is no point in talking to someone who refuses to accept you and live side by side in peace with you.

 

[kadafi]

Have you read the Hamas charter? Have you heard the leaders of Hamas?

They refuse to recongnize the state of Israel. Abbas tried to convince Hamas to, but they refused. No plan to recongnize Israel has been accepted by Hamas the main governing body of the Palestinian people.

Lavikor. I do not know whether you were alive during the Oslo Accords, but for those followed the Oslo Accords in 1988, the Palestine National Council recognized Israel and declared the independance of the Palestinian state. They have re-iterated that in 1991 (Madrid) and 1993. Can one state whether Israel has done the same for the Palestian state? And just so you know lavikor, Hamas was relatively small during those periods.

Arafat would have never accepted any reasonable plan. There is no point in talking to someone who refuses to accept you and live side by side in peace with you.

Reasonable plan? If you call the Camp David a reasonable plan, then you either haven't read it or you are extremely deluded that a plan like the Camp David could be called reasonable. Furthermore, whilst the plan has been rejected, negotiations were started.

Los Angeles Times:

"Amid signs that the two sides appear to be edging toward some sort of compromise on the emotional issue of Jerusalem, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators worked through the start of the Jewish Hanukkah holiday Thursday expressing a rare shared optimism."

[Source: Los Angeles Times, December 22, 2000. "Hopeful mood fuels talks on Mideast peace; Negotiations: Israelis, Palestinians work through Jewish holiday as signs surface of a compromise."]

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New York times:

"Senior Israeli and Palestinian officials concluded nearly a week of stop-and-start negotiations in Taba, Egypt, tonight by saying jointly that they have "never been closer to reaching" a final peace accord but lacked sufficient time to conclude one before the Israeli elections on Feb. 6..... At a joint news conference in Taba, Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami of Israel called the two-way talks, from which the Americans were conspicuously absent, "the most fruitful, constructive, profound negotiations in this phase of the peace process." He said the two sides hoped to pick up where they left off after the elections -- although his boss, Mr. Barak, is expected to lose."

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Suddenly, the talks were broken off and Sharon after being elected never resumed it.

 

[lavikor201]

Lavikor. I do not know whether you were alive during the Oslo Accords, but for those followed the Oslo Accords in 1988, the Palestine National Council recognized Israel and declared the independance of the Palestinian state. They have re-iterated that in 1991 (Madrid) and 1993. Can one state whether Israel has done the same for the Palestian state? And just so you know lavikor, Hamas was relatively small during those periods.

Hahahaha, yes I was alive. I will not say my age, but let us just say I am over 45.

After the signing of the Oslo Accords, the PNC met in Gaza in April 1996 and voted 504 to 54 to void parts of the Palestinian National Covenant that denied Israel's right to exist, but the charter itself was not been formally changed or re-drafted.

In December 1998, the PNC met in Gaza at the insistence of the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who called it a condition on the continuation of the peace process. In the presence of the US President Clinton, it reaffirmed again the annulling of the parts of the Covenant which denied Israel's right to exist, but it still did not formally change or re-draft the Covenant.

Reasonable plan? If you call the Camp David a reasonable plan, then you either haven't read it or you are extremely deluded that a plan like the Camp David could be called reasonable. Furthermore, whilst the plan has been rejected, negotiations were started.

93% of the territory captured during the six day war which began because of Arab agression was offered. I find that reasonable. If you don't your entitled to your own opinion I guess.