Paris Shooting

[Scimitar]

French Director Finds Islam After Charlie Attacks

CAIRO – French director Isabelle Matic has announced her decision to revert to Islam on her FaceBook account, making the unexpected announcement only a few days after Charlie Hebdo Paris attacks.


“Today, I passed through the first pillar of Islam. There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet,” Matic said in a message posted on her Facebook page on January 11.


She followed her announcement with a series of posts in which she thanked Moroccan actor Hicham Bahloul for announcing her decision on Moroccan papers.


In another message, she described how she took the decision and its effect on her beliefs in freedom of expression.


“Between the massacre at the premises of Charlie Hebdo and other event that have followed: I became a Muslim,” Matic wrote.


“Am I still for freedom of expression for all and Charlie Hebdo in particular?! Yes,” Matic wrote yesterday.


“With regard to my position towards the caricatures of the Prophet, I will write you the text of the SMS that I received this morning from a mosque which agreed quite well with my thoughts since the beginning of the cartoons, well before I became a Muslim,” she added


“They are making fun of Muhammad and do not harm Muhammad. They are making fun of a character that they have imagined and to whom they have given a name. This man is not our Prophet,” she wrote.


The new Muslim referred to the early life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) when non-believers rejected his calls to Islam.


“The Makkans laughed at Muhammad (worthy of praise) in the appellant Modamam (worthy of name calling). The prophet peace be upon him was smiling. Yes, he was smiling! And he said: They are making fun of Modamam and not me,” Matic wrote.


“The wisdom is the answer to provocations. And this is what our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) has taught us.


“So when Charlie Hebdo will be published insha ' Allah (God willing), do not pay attention. Do not respond to the provocation. And do not give them of importance,” she added.


In its Wednesday’s edition, Charlie Hebdo magazine features a cartoon of a man they claim to be the prophet of Islam on the cover.


The cover depicts Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) with a tear falling from his cheek, holding a sign that says, "Je suis Charlie” under the headline "All Is Forgiven."


The edition is the first after two gunmen attacked the magazine’s headquarters in Paris, killing 10 journalists and two policemen. Two of the dead were Muslims, an editor and a police cop.


It culminates the magazine’s long history of offending millions of Muslims worldwide.


http://www.onislam.net/english/news...ector-finds-islam-after-charlie-attacks.html#


Merci beaucoup, Charlie


Scimi

 

[Pygoscelis]

“They are making fun of Muhammad and do not harm Muhammad. They are making fun of a character that they have imagined and to whom they have given a name. This man is not our Prophet,” she wrote.

That is the healthiest response that I have read so far.

 

[Scimitar]

indeed, I agree, i also feel the same.

these cartoons don't make me sad or angry, they make me pity the ignorance of the cartoonists themselves. That's all.

Scimi

 

[LearnIslam]

Paris attacks: Jean-Marie Le Pen says French terror attacks were work of Western intelligence:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ere-work-of-western-intelligence-9985047.html

What is happening in the Middle East is not the world of Western intelligence, or some conspiracy theory. Even regarding this link, is there any proof? Think critcally.

When Muslims follow Islam in their personal lives it is good. When it is made into a political ideology meant to override the country they are in, it is wrong. Most of the people in the West have no religious understanding, if it is in the case of the French director, you all are happy. But which one of you actually know the Creator or his will? It's back to that point I said - this is all just number games for you all, not the actual search of the truth.

If people converted to Christianity, would you all post it here as a good thing? What matters is how you treat people. Is anyone paying attention to 'no go zones' or things like that?

It's nice for each of you to see a French director convert to Islam because you identify only Muslims as yours. It's convenient to believe the attack was a conspiracy theory because it strengthens your conviction. The real question is to what level do you, if you are staying in UK, respect the UK culture? Or if you are in another European country, respect that culture? Is it important?

If suppose your neighbor's son lost his head and said wrong things about his culture, parents and upbringing, would you lead him down that path and strengthen it or would you prefer he grow in his own culture and come to enrich his culture? The West is going through a decadency - but this has nothing to do with their culture per se, just its corruption.

In the same way, it would be wrong for me to want to ask all the warring zones in Middle East to embrace another faith, telling them that it would save them.

 

[LearnIslam]

Things won't remain as they are for very long.
Mankind will either submit to God (who is the Creator of the heavens and the earth who will judge us ultimately) - or we're going to see something bigger than 9/11 and a clash of faith and infidelity, the current financial system is about to crash hard and the usurers are poised to introduce electronic currency with harsh draconian laws with the protection of dajjal subdued governments under the guise of protection and order, with the attempted introduction of kufr world government.

Who are kufr? Who is the Dajjal? Which law is actually draconian? Think for yourself objectively and realize.

I just hope we collectively take the option of submission to God.

And Allah knows best.

The Creator certainly knows best :statisfie. And He knows who have hijacked his faith and used his words to plunder, and his knows who are good and who speak in vain. He knows who bothers and patronizes others in their own homes, and who spreads fear to innocent people. He knows who has faith in Him, and who is a politician (from heart) using His word to hijack it into their culture or specifics.

Heads or Tails Rothschild?
God says Checkmate anyways.
Repent, and Submit, makes things easier for us all.

Rothschild certainly maybe? Many others too. Repent is not only them, Muslim leaders too. Don't imagine that when the Mahdi reveals himself with Jesus, you will see Muslims around the world.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The Muslims stance against usury is actually a pretty good idea, not original to Islam, and not inseparable from it. I would also push for universal health care and universal basic income (implemented as a tax refund).

But no, we won't all "submit to God"... so you can forget about that part. Instead of bashing heads against each other, why don't we try to find a way to co-exist, and join side by side with the muslims and secular and other religions to topple wealth disparity and even things out.

 

[Abz2000]

Anyone who deeply reflects on communication comes to realize that it is a projection with an intended idea of consumer reception.
Whether it is cave illustrations, speech (verbal sounds), text, heiroglyphics, or fictional motion image.

The writer is expecting the consumer to construct a certain understanding or image in the mind.




19.*Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,20.*And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
21.*What! for you the male, and for Him, the female?
22.*Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
23.*These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,
- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever).
They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!
- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!


The term dajjal comes from deception, false illusion.

Then there is also the educational/instructional swarm method where a genuinely ambiguous projection is broadcast and the reception is sifted to understand the mind.

Know that Allah judges the hearts and inner thoughts and will sift the broadcaster and the receiver.
And that Allah cannot be questioned for His acts while we will be questioned for ours.

Salman Rushdie used the method of illusory image projection when blaspheming The Messengers of God and the mothers of the believers in his book "the satanic verses".


What would you say if i said:
Hey, dude with the pointed chin from leytonstone, do you still use the username "limitar productions"?
And why don't you love the hypocrite Al-Salul kingdom?

Who was i referring to and did i say anything bad?

Or this:

Hey learntodissislam, are you gonna stop being a shill or what?
Have you never read the Quran or biography of the prophet Muhammad pbuh?
Do you not know that his job was to establish the Rule of Allah (who is the Creator of the heavens and earth) and was harrassed by people like you in Makkah?
The law of the land is legislated by the King of the land, and the True King is Allah (Lord of the two easts and Lord of the two wests), we as creation are not meant to be mafia bosses carving out illegal and corrupt domains.

O ye who believe!
Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former):

Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames
: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.

Quran The Private Apartments, Chapter 49, Verse 11

Here is a small article i compiled on the topic a while back:

Allah explains to us that deceiving people to cause harm by using ambiguous words is a form of casting an evil spell on the mind. Reading the context of these verses and their reason for revelation will - Allah willing - heal our hearts of this satanic ploy and ensure that we are able to speak a word that is straight and to the point - and not use parables to lead astray via deception, but guide to the way of our Creator via sincere reflection and understanding

And when there came to them a messenger from Allah confirming that which was with them, a party of those who had been given the Scripture threw the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know [what it contained].

] ﻢِﻫِرﻮُﻬُﻇ ْ ﻢُﻬﱠﻧَﺄَﻛ ْ ﻻَ َنﻮُﻤَﻠْﻌَﻳ ﺬَﺒَﻧ َ

ﻖﻳِﺮَﻓ ٌ ﻦﱢﻣ َ ﻦﻳِﺬﱠﻟا َ اﻮُﺗوُأ ْ بﺎَﺘِﻜْﻟا َ بﺎَﺘِﻛ َ ﻪّﻠﻟا ِ ءاَرَو ﺎﱠﻤَﻟَو ﻢُﻫءﺎَﺟ ْ لﻮُﺳَر ٌ ﻦﱢﻣ ْ ﺪﻨِﻋ ِ ﻪّﻠﻟا ِ قﱢﺪَﺼُﻣ ٌ ﺎَﻤﱢﻟ ْﻢُﻬَﻌَﻣ

And they followed [instead] what the devils had recited against the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah . And the people learn that which harms them and does not benefit them. But they certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

اْوَر ْ ﻪِﺑ ِ ﻢُﻬَﺴُﻔﻧَأ ْ ﻮَﻟ ْ اﻮُﻧﺎَﻛ ْ َنﻮُﻤَﻠْﻌَﻳ

ْ ِﻦَﻤَﻟ

ْ اﻮُﻤِﻠَﻋ

ْ ﺪَﻘَﻟَو

ْ ﻻَو َ ﻢُﻬُﻌَﻔﻨَﻳ

َ ﺎَﻣ ﻢُﻫﱡﺮُﻀَﻳ

هاَﺮَﺘْﺷا ُ ﺎَﻣ ﻪَﻟ ُ ﻲِﻓ ةَﺮِﺧﻵا ِ ﻦِﻣ ْ قَﻼَﺧ ٍ ﺲْﺌِﺒَﻟَو َ ﺎَﻣ نﻮُﻤﱠﻠَﻌَﺘَﻳَو

ﻪِﺟْوَزَو ِ ﺎَﻣَو ﻢُﻫ ﻦﻳﱢرﺂَﻀِﺑ َ ﻪِﺑ ِ ﻦِﻣ ْ ﺪَﺣَأ ٍ ﻻِإ َّ نْذِﺈِﺑ ِ ِﻪّﻠﻟا ﺮُﻔْﻜَﺗ ْ نﻮُﻤﱠﻠَﻌَﺘَﻴَﻓ َ ﺎَﻤُﻬْﻨِﻣ ﺎَﻣ نﻮُﻗﱢﺮَﻔُﻳ َ ﻪِﺑ ِ ﻦْﻴَﺑ َ ِءْﺮَﻤْﻟا

َ َتوُرﺎَﻣَو

َ توُرﺎَﻫ

ِ ﻞِﺑﺎَﺒِﺑ

ﻦْﻴَﻜَﻠَﻤْﻟا

َ ﻰَﻠَﻋ

لِﺰﻧُأ

َ ﺎَﻣَو

ﺎَﻣَو نﺎَﻤﱢﻠَﻌُﻳ ِ ﻦِﻣ ْ ﺪَﺣَأ ٍ ﻰﱠﺘَﺣ ﻻﻮُﻘَﻳ َ ﺎَﻤﱠﻧِإ ﻦْﺤَﻧ ُ ﺔَﻨْﺘِﻓ ٌ َﻼَﻓ ﺮْﺤﱢﺴﻟا

ﺮَﻔَﻛ َ نﺎَﻤْﻴَﻠُﺳ ُ لَو ـَ ﻦِﻜ َّ ﻦﻴِﻃﺎْﻴﱠﺸﻟا َ اوُﺮَﻔَﻛ ْ نﻮُﻤﱢﻠَﻌُﻳ َ َسﺎﱠﻨﻟا اﻮُﻌَﺒﱠﺗاَو ْ ﺎَﻣ اﻮُﻠْﺘَﺗ ْ ﻦﻴِﻃﺎَﻴﱠﺸﻟا ُ ﻰَﻠَﻋ ﻚْﻠُﻣ ِ نﺎَﻤْﻴَﻠُﺳ َ ﺎَﻣَو [I

And if they had
believed and feared Allah, then the reward from Allah would have .been [far] better, if they only knew

اﻮُﻧﺎَﻛ ْ َنﻮُﻤَﻠْﻌَﻳ ﻮَﻟَو ْ ﻢُﻬﱠﻧَأ ْ اﻮُﻨَﻣآ ْ اْﻮَﻘﱠﺗاو ﺔَﺑﻮُﺜَﻤَﻟ ٌ ﻦﱢﻣ ْ ﺪﻨِﻋ ِ ﻪﱠﻠﻟا ﺮْﻴَﺧ ٌ ْﻮﱠﻟ

O you who have]] believed, say not [to Allah 's Messenger], "Ra'ina" but say, "Unthurna" and listen. And for the disbelievers is a painful [punishment.

اﻮُﻌَﻤْﺳاَو ﻦﻳِﺮِﻓﺎَﻜﻠِﻟَوْ َ باَﺬَﻋ ٌ ٌﻢﻴِﻟَأ ﺎَﻳ ﺎَﻬﱡﻳَأ ﻦﻳِﺬﱠﻟا َ اﻮُﻨَﻣآ ْ ﻻَ اﻮُﻟﻮُﻘَﺗ ْ ﺎَﻨِﻋاَر اﻮُﻟﻮُﻗَو ْ ﺎَﻧْﺮُﻈﻧا

Believers, do not address the Prophet as ra'ina
(whereby the Jews, in their own accent, meant: Would that you would never hear),
but say unzurna
(meaning: Please speak to us slowly so that we understand),
and then listen. The unbelievers will face a painful torment
2:104
The disbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans do not like to see anything good revealed to you from your Lord.
God reserves His mercy for whomever He chooses. The generosity of God is great. (2:105

Occasion of Revelation ​

:

Ibn Abbas, the leading commentator, is narrated to have said that the early Muslims, when the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) was speaking and teaching them the divine verses and commandments, often asked him to speak slowly so that they could comprehend the material well and could have opportunity enough to ask .their questions

For this purpose, then, they applied the phrase /ra'ina/ derived from the root /ar-':ra'a/ ' to give respite ',which means give us respite, wait for us ' .(1) But the Jews took the same word from the Arabic root /ar-ra'unah/ used with the meaning of ' foolhardiness, thoughtlessness, foolishness ', which means:
' make foolishness us '
and suggests a perversive insult.

It is also noteworthy that the phrase /ra'ina/, besides what was stated before, is not free from impoliteness in meaning, because this term may also be derived from the word /mura'at/, which means that
'you should observe us and we will observe you likewise

Here, the Jews had found something by which they could ridicule and make fun of .the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) and the Muslims

Aa-Durr-ul-Manthur, vol. 1, pp. 252-253 (1) Jami'-ul-Bayan, by Muhammad-ibn- (2) Jarir Tabari, vol. 1, pp. 469-473

The first verse of the above verses was revealed to prevent this derisive usage of .the word, It commanded the believers to use /unzurna/ instead of /ra'ina/ which had the same meaning, but was plain and unambiguous.
Thus, the enemies could not .misuse it Some other commentators have said that the phrase /ra'ina/ was employed by some Jews in whose language it had an .uncomplimentary meaning .

They repeated it again and again Some others of the commentators have also said that the Jews pronounced /ra'ina/ instead of saying /ra'ina/ and, addressing the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) with that term which meant
' our cattle-tender, .shepherd ',
As in "ra'i al ghanam". ridiculed him These occasions of revelation do not contrast with each other, so that all of them .may be right

It is well understood from this verse that the Muslims, should be careful to avoid giving the enemies of God (and by extension enemies of the truth, fidelity and righteousness) any pretext, because they may misuse even one short sentence against them
The Qur'an advises the Muslims to avoid uttering even the smallest common word which they might transform into a term of reproach in order to weaken the spirits of .the Muslims
They should be careful not to select words which have multiple or ambiguous meanings that may be misused by the enemies to mock them thereby but rather should choose appropriate, unambiguous .words They must guard themselves against the cynical trick of using words which sound complimentary to the ear but have a hidden .barb in them

When Islam is so meticulous that it does not let Muslims give their enemies pretext for these little things, the duty of Muslims is clear for greater and more important subjects, both concerning their interior .affairs and international matters.

Then, the Qur'an has bidden the Muslims not to use it anymore, since it contains a sense of impoliteness, besides the abusing .of it by the Jews

A Precise Meaning
The honorific and enlivening sentence /ya 'ayyuhalla¶ina 'amanu/ ' O' you who have Faith ', addressed to the believers, has .occurred 80 times in the Qur'an
The above verse is the first one which .contains this phrase It is interesting that this phrase has occurred only in the verses that have been revealed in Medina, viz. it is not seen in the Meccan verses.
It may be for the reason that with the emigration of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) to Medina, Muslims gathered together and it was then that the situation of Muslims became stabilized, especially when they formed a strong, powerful government. Hence, Allah (s.w.t.) addressed them with this phrase :" O' you who have Faith!" This phrase conveys another meaning, too. It indicates that now that you have Faith and have submitted to the truth, i.e. you have taken a covenant with Allah, you should obey Him according to the commandments that have come along with it. In other words, your Faith necessitates that you follow these .instructions accordingly

Peace be to those who repent and submit to the guidance of Allah.

And i will post a babylonian reflection that Allah seems to have shown us.
is it specifically referring to a person or warning people from becoming the embodiment of such? Or is it a prophecy warning the people from this sorcery or witch? are we going to refrain from this method of communication or not?

Isn't it better to speak a word straight to the point being respectful, sincere and true to Allah?

 

[Scimitar]

The Muslims stance against usury is actually a pretty good idea, not original to Islam, and not inseparable from it. I would also push for universal health care and universal basic income (implemented as a tax refund).

But no, we won't all "submit to God"... so you can forget about that part. Instead of bashing heads against each other, why don't we try to find a way to co-exist, and join side by side with the muslims and secular and other religions to topple wealth disparity and even things out.

we did, in Jerusalem, then the crusades happened and that was the end of peaceful coexistence... ever since then, this world has been in turmoil, and picking up momentum in the process... it's all gonna lead to a high pitched crescendo, then the media will convince the sheeple that we've reached the point of no return!

And the USofA will drop a nuke.

And that's democracy for you in the real world, we call this hypocrisy (wink wink nudge nudge)

Scimi

 

[Abz2000]

The sorcery of babylon and the power of illusion, i have also added the images that come to my mind when reading - do you like it?
:

Ye are hereby invited to repent and save urselves.


The Woman on the Beast
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great wh£re that sitteth upon many waters:*

2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.*

3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
And I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy , having seven heads and ten horns.*





(Count the total number of beast heads on the scarlet throne (one is just a harp), and notice the purple crown, the precious stones, the scarlet tail cloth, and the gold necklace).

4And the woman was arrayed in purple*
and scarlet colour,*
and decked with gold*and precious stones and pearls,*
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:*



5And upon her forehead*was*a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.*

Land of Hope and Glory,
Mother of the Free,
How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.

"Land of Hope and Glory"*is a British patriotic song, with music by*Edward Elgar*and lyrics by*A. C. Benson, written in 1902.

Hellfire Club*was a name for several exclusive*clubs*for high society*rakes established in*Britain*and*Ireland*in the 18th century.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellfire_Club

Portrait of*Francis Dashwood, 15th Baron le Despencer*by*William Hogarthfrom the late 1750s,
parodying Renaissance images of*Francis of Assisi.
The Bible has been replaced by a copy of the erotic novel*Elegantiae Latini sermonis, and the profile of Dashwood's friend*Lord Sandwichpeers from the halo.

...a satirical "gentleman's club" which was known to ridicule religion, catching onto the then-current trend in England of blasphemy.

Such clubs were rumoured to be the meeting places of "persons of quality"[2]*
who wished to take part in immoral acts,
and the members were often very involved in politics.*

After his Club was disbanded, Wharton became a Freemason, and in 1722 he became the Grand Master of England.

In*the United Grand Lodge of England,
a member of the Royal Family is often the Grand Master,
he may also appoint a Pro Grand Master

6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The Mystery Explained

7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,*when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.*

9And here*is*the mind which hath wisdom.*

The Queen's Coronation Oath (from the Order of Service for the Coronation)The Queen having returned to her Chair, (her Majesty having already on Tuesday, the 4th day of November, 1952, in the presence of the two Houses of Parliament, made and signed the Declaration prescribed by Act of Parliament), the Archbishop standing before her shall administer the Coronation Oath, first asking the Queen:

Madam, is your Majesty willing to take the Oath?
And the Queen answering:*I am willing.
The Archbishop shall minister these questions; and the Queen, having a book in her hands, shall answer each question severally as follows:
Archbishop:*Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of

1.the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
2. Canada,
3. Australia,*
4.New Zealand,*
5.the Union of South Africa,*
6. Pakistan,*
7. and Ceylon,

(total seven kingdoms, proxied via seven "subject rulers")*

and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?
Queen:*I solemnly promise so to do.
Archbishop.*Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?
Queen:*I will.
Archbishop:*Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel?*

...... The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
*10And there are seven kings: *five are fallen, and one is,*and*the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.*
12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.*
13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.The Victory of the Lamb
14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him*are*called, and chosen, and faithful.
15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the wh£re sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
*16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the wh£re, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.*17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
*2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
*3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins , and that ye receive not of her plagues.*
5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities
.*
6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
*7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: *for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
*8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong*is*the Lord God who judgeth her.
Lament over Babylon
9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
*10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city!
for in one hour is thy judgment come.
11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:*
12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,*
13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.*
14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.*
15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,*16And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!*
17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,*18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What*city is*like unto this great city!*
19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

The Saints Rejoice
20 Rejoice over her,*thou*heaven, and*ye*holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast*it*into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee ; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft*he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;*
23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.*
24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.



3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.*
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and*tohis throne.
*6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred*andthreescore days......


Flag of Wales.

.......2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as*the feet*of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.*3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.*

I NO LIKE BABYLON SORCERY.
I LIKE WORD OF GOD.
U LIKE?

36.*Now when (the embassy) came to Solomon, he said: "Will ye give me abundance in wealth? But that which Allah has given me is better than that which He has given you! Nay it is ye who rejoice in your gift!
37.*"Go back to them, and be sure we shall come to them with such hosts as they will never be able to meet:
We shall expel them from there in disgrace, and they will feel humbled (indeed)."
38.*He said (to his own men): "Ye chiefs! which of you can bring me her throne before they come to me in submission?"
39.*Said an 'Ifrit, of the Jinns: "I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council: indeed I have full strength for the purpose, and may be trusted."
40.*Said one who had knowledge of the Book: "I will bring it to thee within the twinkling of an eye!" Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him, he said: "This is by the Grace of my Lord!- to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful! and if any is grateful, truly his gratitude is (a gain) for his own soul; but if any is ungrateful, truly my Lord is Free of all Needs, Supreme in Honour !"
41.*He said: "Transform her throne out of all recognition by her:
let us see whether she is guided (to the truth) or is one of those who receive no guidance."
42.*So when she arrived, she was asked, "Is this thy throne?"
She said, "It was just like this;
and knowledge was bestowed on us before this,
and we have submitted to Allah (in Islam)."
43.*And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah.
for she was (sprung) of a people that had no faith.
44.*She was asked to enter the lofty Palace: but when she saw it, she thought it was a lake of water, and she (tucked up her skirts), uncovering her legs. He said: "This is but a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass."
She said: "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul:
I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive*his*mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
*10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrM6i8OlxrM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXbyDcHAUnQ

43.*The king (of Egypt) said:
"I do see (in a vision) seven fat kine, whom seven lean ones devour, and seven green ears of corn, and seven (others) withered.
O ye chiefs! Expound to me my vision if it be that ye can interpret visions."
44.*They said: "A confused medley of dreams: and we are not skilled in the interpretation of dreams."4
5.*But the man who had been released, one of the two (who had been in prison) and who now bethought him after (so long) a space of time, said: "I will tell you the truth of its interpretation: send ye me (therefore)."46.*"O Joseph!" (he said) "O man of truth! Expound to us (the dream) of seven fat kine whom seven lean ones devour, and of seven green ears of corn and (seven) others withered: that I may return to the people, and that they may understand."
47.*(Joseph) said: "For seven years shall ye diligently sow as is your wont: and the harvests that ye reap, ye shall leave them in the ear,- except a little, of which ye shall eat.
48.*"Then will come after that (period) seven dreadful (years), which will devour what ye shall have laid by in advance for them,- (all) except a little which ye shall have (specially) guarded.
49.*"Then will come after that (period) a year in which the people will have abundant water, and in which they will press (wine and oil)."

REPENT, AND SUBMIT TO THE KINGDOM AND RULE OF GOD.
YOU CANNOT FRUSTRATE HIM IN THE LEAST.

The lion, the witch, and the wardrobe.
The problem is that some of them don't believe lucy when she tells them that there's a magical eternal land beyond the wooden box, the learned and wise professor believes her, and edmund eats of her sorcery and becomes intoxicated by lust and tries to betray them to the witch.

She (the wicked witch of the west) calls herself the queen of narnia, but she's really not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpWAxs_yR8

 

[Scimitar]

George Galloway is a Muslim now?

Check this out:

Scimi

 

[greenhill]

Muslims stance against usury is actually a pretty good idea, not original to Islam, and not inseparable from it.

How do I put it?

Being muslim is to be submissive to Allah.

Allah sent the prophets before Muhammad (pbuh) Jesus and Moses preaching the religion, (same religion hence islam too!) The message is pretty much the same, no usury for the Jews, no usury for the Christians and guess what? No usury for the Muslims, either. So, you are right, not original to the Quran or prophet Muhammad. Just reiterated. But when the paths taken by the followers of the previous scriptures moved away from the dictates of the Quran, they by default were not submissive to it, hence 'cannot' be called muslims....


eace:

 

[gurufabbes]

This subject and event is actually, as explained in my introduction, one of the reasons that brought me here.

Like many here in Paris (even though I'm an expat), the events of 2 weeks ago (especially the hostage taking at the Hypercacher) made me afraid and angry. Dealing with these feelings I think are difficult, particularly in an environment where last week the soldiers and police were out in full force, around "lieux de culte" including my local synagogue.

I understand that most Muslims condemn it, as they do with the other events, but what does that change? If the people involved aren't really Muslims as you understand it, then they won't listen to any condemnations, and if they are, then there is a problem within the Muslim communities of Europe that they will have to either deal with, or face repercussions from an infuriated populace that will only listen to "don't amalgamate or make all Muslims responsible for the few" for so long.

My two cents.

 

[InToTheRain]

What is happening in the Middle East is not the world of Western intelligence, or some conspiracy theory. Even regarding this link, is there any proof? Think critcally.

Critically thinking Jean Marie Le Penn has a more credible voice in regards to his countries political affairs than you do.

Also there is room for reasonable doubt for example no blood splatter:
http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2015/01/paris-shooting-appears-fake-falseflag-2433538.html


Also Reporter admits blood was put there ( lol ):
http://www.shtfplan.com/conspiracy-fact-and-theory/no-blood-reporter-on-scence-of-paris-shooting-says-you-can-see-the-blood-on-the-ground-which-has-been-put-there_01092015

Fact is Muslims gained nothing from this atrocity. In all Europe France is a country where Islam has been accepted most so it's possible drastic measures need to be taken to curb the Islamization of France:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344624/Islam-seen-threat-national-identity-half-French-Germans.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344624/Islam-seen-threat-national-identity-half-French-Germans.html


The grim and bleak reality of it all is that even perchance this "conspiracy" was true we are are powerless to do anything against it. We have been fed lies many times before for political games at play (eg Iraq War ) and it's now gotten to the stage where the powers that be can blatantly lie in our face knowing we can do nothing about it. We will just huff and puff and go back to sleep. So I understand the people that dance to the tune of their leaders because the alternative is probably harder to bear.

Having said all that I am not jumping to conclusions on the matter; just voicing different perspectives on the matter

 

[LearnIslam]

Hey learntodissislam, are you gonna stop being a shill or what?
Have you never read the Quran or biography of the prophet Muhammad pbuh?

I have. And I know about his stories as well.

Do you not know that his job was to establish the Rule of Allah (who is the Creator of the heavens and earth) and was harrassed by people like you in Makkah?
The law of the land is legislated by the King of the land, and the True King is Allah (Lord of the two easts and Lord of the two wests), we as creation are not meant to be mafia bosses carving out illegal and corrupt domains.

This was the job of all the prophets Abz2000. But what I am pointing is that the corruption of what you hope to defend is done by 'Muslim' leaders. All this thing of Charlie Hebdo is one thing, when it happens there are protests and anti-protests, but what about the leadership in the Middle East? Is there an anti-ISIS protest from leaders?

I asked this for the same reason - which leaders embody the Islamic ideals. If we have to turn this forum into a place to bash the West for its genuine faults, you can. But many of the problems are in-house. Who set up the Shias and Sunnis, was it the prophet Muhammed? Or the Creator?

I didn't come to disrespect your faith or the Creator's word.

 

[LearnIslam]

Critically thinking Jean Marie Le Penn has a more credible voice in regards to his countries political affairs than you do.

Also there is room for reasonable doubt for example no blood splatter:
http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2015/01/paris-shooting-appears-fake-falseflag-2433538.html


Also Reporter admits blood was put there ( lol ):
http://www.shtfplan.com/conspiracy-...-the-ground-which-has-been-put-there_01092015

Fact is Muslims gained nothing from this atrocity. In all Europe France is a country where Islam has been accepted most so it's possible drastic measures need to be taken to curb the Islamization of France:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...at-national-identity-half-French-Germans.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...at-national-identity-half-French-Germans.html


The grim and bleak reality of it all is that even perchance this "conspiracy" was true we are are powerless to do anything against it. We have been fed lies many times before for political games at play (eg Iraq War ) and it's now gotten to the stage where the powers that be can blatantly lie in our face knowing we can do nothing about it. We will just huff and puff and go back to sleep. So I understand the people that dance to the tune of their leaders because the alternative is probably harder to bear.

Having said all that I am not jumping to conclusions on the matter; just voicing different perspectives on the matter

I don't blame the common Muslim whose daily task in life is to keep faith, and go about his day - like anyone else. But to think that the problems in the Middle East are the doing of the West is a crutch for the harsh reality it is. My accounts are not from the media alone, but from first hand accounts of many people. Don't imagine that speaking about your faith in a manner that is patronizing is in accordance to the will of the Creator.

The problem in this world is verily that - everyone thinks they are right, but the word of the Creator is used in vain. If you take this as me targeting Muslims, I can only tell you that it isn't. Would you accept any Muslim country taking to the ways of a Western country? Certainly all places want their culture. In fact some Muslim countries would consider anything so far a threat that they don't allow the freedom of expression for this reason.

On the other hand, you can post venom on the follies of the West, and look at the situation biased, or you can look at it objectively. If the French and Germans think it is a threat to their national identity, is it completely the lies of the media, or happening? If Germany became completely Islamic would you be happy?

This is why I asked : If a son says bad things about his father over something, would you seek him to be enriched by his own familial roots, or by yours? Don't play number games with the Creator's words, and don't hijack it as specific to a culture - Arab, Jew etc. This is the very reason for the conflicts.

 

[LearnIslam]

This subject and event is actually, as explained in my introduction, one of the reasons that brought me here.

Like many here in Paris (even though I'm an expat), the events of 2 weeks ago (especially the hostage taking at the Hypercacher) made me afraid and angry. Dealing with these feelings I think are difficult, particularly in an environment where last week the soldiers and police were out in full force, around "lieux de culte" including my local synagogue.

I understand that most Muslims condemn it, as they do with the other events, but what does that change? If the people involved aren't really Muslims as you understand it, then they won't listen to any condemnations, and if they are, then there is a problem within the Muslim communities of Europe that they will have to either deal with, or face repercussions from an infuriated populace that will only listen to "don't amalgamate or make all Muslims responsible for the few" for so long.

My two cents.

The Muslims living by their day are certainly unconnected to this atrocity. The wolf children don't respect anything - they will mock the Creator, his word and over that misinterpret it and disprove it (disprove the misinterpreted form).

Now the thing is, if this forum, which I assume well is for discussing Islam, wants to merely look at cases where the Western media lied (which it does), or where one French personality changed to Islam, then there is no real discussion - because I don't deny those or disagree with a person choosing the word of the Creator.

But the reality of the Muslim world seems to be seen as less important - the leadership, the environment of intellectual thought, the in fighting between factions with imaginary ideas, all these are happening.

Perhaps I should have put my 'religion' as 'Islam' in the profile. Because some seem to think I came here for a flame war, or disrespecting. The truth is the disrespecting men are already holding the reign.

There is nothing to be happy (or post) that some director became Muslim. The Creator's radiance is more brilliant than a thousand suns. All these number games of how influential a religion is in a country, or converting others is only number games. It uses the word of the Creator in vain, and hijacked.

Would a good man give charity merely so that his name goes higher in the view of others? Would you tell an orphan bad things about his parents? Would you come into a neighbors house and make them uncomfortable by patronizing them about their own ways of life?

If the Muslim forum members want to see the worst about the West and post it here, it is no different from an agreeable talk on disrespecting someone done en mass.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Another response, this time from Norman Finkelstein.

Charlie Hebdo is sadism, not satire

World renowned political science professor says he has 'no sympathy' for staff at Charlie Hebdo

By Mustafa Caglayan

NEW YORK

In Nazi Germany, there was an anti-Semitic weekly newspaper called Der Stürmer.

Run by Julius Streicher, it was notorious for being one of the most virulent advocates of the persecution of Jews during the 1930s.

What everybody remembers about Der Stürmer was its morbid caricatures of Jews, the people who were facing widespread discrimination and persecution during the era.

Its depictions endorsed all of the common stereotypes about Jews – a hook nose, lustful, greedy.

"Let's say, ... amidst all of this death and destruction, two young Jews barged into the headquarters of the editorial offices of Der Stürmer, and they killed the staff for having humiliated them, degraded them, demeaned them, insulted them," queried Norman Finkelstein, a professor of political science and author of numerous books including “The Holocaust Industry” and “Method and Madness.”

"How would I react to that?," said Finkelstein, who is the son of Holocaust survivors.

Finkelstein was drawing an analogy between a hypothetical attack on the German newspaper and the deadly Jan. 7 attack at the Paris headquarters of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, that left 12 people dead, including its editor and prominent cartoonists. The weekly is known for printing controversial material, including derogatory cartoons about the Prophet Muhammad in 2006 and 2012.

The attack sparked a global massive outcry, with millions in France and across the world taking to the streets to support freedom of the press behind the rallying cry of "Je suis Charlie,” or “I am Charlie.”

What the Charlie Hebdo caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad achieved was "not satire," and what they provoked was not "ideas," Finkelstein said.

Satire is when one directs it either at oneself, causes his or her people to think twice about what they are doing and saying, or directs it at people who have power and privilege, he said.

"But when somebody is down and out, desperate, destitute, when you mock them, when you mock a homeless person, that is not satire," Finkelstein said.

"That is, I give you the word, sadism. There’s a very big difference between satire and sadism. Charlie Hebdo is sadism. It’s not satire"

The "desperate and despised people" of today are Muslims, he said, considering the number of Muslim countries racked by death and destruction as in the case of Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen.

"So, two despairing and desperate young men act out their despair and desperation against this political pornography no different than Der Stürmer, who in the midst of all of this death and destruction decide its somehow noble to degrade, demean, humiliate and insult the people. I’m sorry, maybe it is very politically incorrect. I have no sympathy for [the staff of Charlie Hebdo]. Should they have been killed? Of course not. But of course, Streicher shouldn’t have been hung. I don’t hear that from many people," said Finkelstein.

Streicher was among those who stood trial on charges at Nürnberg, following World War II. He was hung for those cartoons.

Finkelstein said some might argue that they have the right to mock even desperate and destitute people, and they probably have this right, he said, "But you also have the right to say 'I don’t want to put it in my magazine ... When you put it in, you are taking responsibility for it."

Finkelstein compared the controversial Charlie Hebdo caricatures to the "fighting words," doctrine, a category of speech penalized under American jurisprudence.

The doctrine refers to certain words that would likely cause the person to whom they are directed, to commit an act of violence. They are a category of speech unprotected by the First Amendment.

"You are not allowed to utter fighting words, because they are equivalent of a smack to the face and it is asking for trouble," Finkelstein said.

"So, are the Charlie Hebdo caricatures the equivalent of fighting words? They call it satire. That is not satire. It is just epithets, there is nothing funny about it. If you find it funny, depicting Jews in big lips and (a) hook nose is also funny."

Finkelstein pointed to the contradictions in the Western world's perception of the freedom of the press by giving the example of the pornographic magazine Hustler, whose publisher, Larry Flynt, was shot and left paralyzed in 1978 by a white supremacist serial killer for printing a cartoon depicting interracial sex.

"I don’t remember everyone celebrating 'We are Larry Flynt' or 'We are Hustler,'" he said. "Should he have been attacked? Of course not. But nobody suddenly turned this into a political principle of one side or the other."

The West's embrace of the Charlie Hebdo caricatures was because the drawings were directed at and ridiculed Muslims, he said.

The characterization by the French of Muslims as being barbaric is hypocritical considering the killings of thousands of people during France’s colonial occupation of Algeria, and the French public's reaction to the Algerian war from 1954 to 1962, according to Finkelstein.

The first mass demonstration in Paris against the war "did not come until 1960, two years before the war was over," he said. "Everybody supported the French annihilatory war in Algeria."

He said French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre's apartment was bombed twice in 1961 and 1962, as was the office of his magazine, Les Temps Modernes, after he came out in full force against the war.

Finkelstein, who has been described as an "American radical," said the pretensions of the West about Muslim attire exposed a dramatic contradiction in the face of the West’s attitude toward natives in lands they occupied during colonialism.

"When Europeans came to North America, the thing they said about the native Americans was that they were so barbaric, because they walked around naked. The European women were wearing three layers of clothes. Then they came to North America, and decided that the native Americans were backward because they all walked around naked. And now, we walk around naked, and we say that the Muslims are backward because they wear so much clothes," he said.

"Can you imagine anything more barbaric? Banning women wearing headscarves?" he asked, referring to the 2004 ban on headscarves in French public service jobs.

Finkelstein’s work, accusing Jews of exploiting the memory of Holocaust for political gain and criticizing Israel for oppressing the Palestinians, has made him a controversial figure even within the Jewish community.

He was denied a tenure as a professor at DePaul University in 2007 after a highly publicized feud with fellow academic Alan Dershowitz, an ardent supporter of Israel. Dershowitz reportedly lobbied the administration of DePaul, a Roman Catholic university in Chicago, to deny him tenure.

Finkelstein, who currently teaches at Sakarya University in Turkey, said the decision was based on "transparently political grounds."

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/news/452396--norman-finkelstein-charlie-hebdo-is-sadism-not-satire

 

[InToTheRain]

I don't blame the common Muslim whose daily task in life is to keep faith, and go about his day - like anyone else. But to think that the problems in the Middle East are the doing of the West is a crutch for the harsh reality it is.

I don't remember saying the meddling of the West is the sole reason for the political unrest in the Mid-East although they have contributed to it. You can throw in Saudi, Iran and Russia into the quagmire to name a few. Saudi in particular have been causing having causing havoc internally.

My accounts are not from the media alone, but from first hand accounts of many people. Don't imagine that speaking about your faith in a manner that is patronizing is in accordance to the will of the Creator.

No sure what you are reffering to.

The problem in this world is verily that - everyone thinks they are right, but the word of the Creator is used in vain.

That is not the problem. The problem may arise in how you deal with those that disagree with you. Extremists in both sides, Muslims and Non-Muslims, tend to take extreme measures. Extremists on the Muslim side have killed more Muslims then they have non-Muslims. The Irony is extremists on both ends use each other to push their political agenda but it's the people in between that suffer. The Majority of Muslims (90+%) are against them; watch this for better understanding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRI2AsF3h0

If you take this as me targeting Muslims, I can only tell you that it isn't. Would you accept any Muslim country taking to the ways of a Western country?

I don't like it but this has happened and is still happening. Imperial colonization of the West dug deep in Muslim lands and have sowed the seed of Sucalarism; overtly and covertly. Turkey is one country of Many which has been suffering as a result but Alhamdullilah recently started recovering:
http://1muslimnation.wordpress.com/...sm-how-kemal-ataturk-reformed-ottoman-turkey/

Let's not forget South Asia, the regime is evident on the Queens head at times:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ules-returning-gem-India-final-day-visit.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1298569/Britain-need-make-apology-India-Empire-.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/29/article-1298569-02F49E4C0000044D-94_468x286.jpg

More on Imperialistm West:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/western-imperialism-and-the-unspoken-tyranny-of-colonization/28604

In fact some Muslim countries would consider anything so far a threat that they don't allow the freedom of expression for this reason.

You are free to express yourself anywhere but not with Impunity; not even in the West.

On the other hand, you can post venom on the follies of the West, and look at the situation biased, or you can look at it objectively.

I don't see how your being objective if you called me biased purely for speaking against the Western Goverment.

If the French and Germans think it is a threat to their national identity, is it completely the lies of the media, or happening?

I didn't say I think it's a lie.

If Germany became completely Islamic would you be happy?

I would be happy for them.

This is why I asked : If a son says bad things about his father over something, would you seek him to be enriched by his own familial roots, or by yours?

Depends on what is being classified as "Bad".

Don't play number games with the Creator's words, and don't hijack it as specific to a culture - Arab, Jew etc. This is the very reason for the conflicts.

I don't know what you are reffering to.

It's important to remember the world didn't begin last Month. Blame for our current problem with extremism can be attributed to leaders in both Muslim and Non-Muslim countries.

Reuters had reported in 2012 that the FSA’s command was dominated by Islamic extremists, and the New York Times reported that same year that the majority of the weapons that Washington were sending into Syria was ending up in the hands Jihadists. For two years the U.S. government knew that this was happening, but they kept doing it.
And the FSA’s ties to Al-Nusra are just the beginning. In June of 2014, Al-Nusra merged with ISIS at the border between Iraq and Syria.
So to review, the FSA is working with Al-Nusra, Al-Nusra is working with ISIS, and the U.S. has been sending money and weapons to the FSA even though they’ve known since 2012 that most of these weapons were ending up in the hands of extremists. You do the math.

[UPDATE 9.03.14]: Retired Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney admits: “We Helped Build ISIS”: Note that the first version of this video uploaded (here) was quickly taken down. To insure that this clip does not disappear we have provided a secondary download link here. So if the video below isn’t playing then use that link and upload it elsewhere. [Video link]

http://www.exploringthenews.com/conspiracy/covert-origins-isis-evidence-exposing-put-isis-power-done

 

[Abz2000]

Has anyone here watched district b-13 ultimatum?

 

[Abdullahh]

First I'd like to say Rest In Peace to the Muslim police officer killed while defending those who hated his religion and spat on it. That man was a truly good Muslim and we cannot allow him to be forgotten and rest in peace to the other victims as well. I believe those killed didn't deserve to die, but they were certainly looking for trouble and they got just that. I can't understand what goes through the mind of such people, honestly. Finally, why is it that we must get on TV and condemn these terrorist attacks? It's almost as if if we do not condemn these acts publicly and reassure the non-Muslims we aren't all AK-47 toting extremists then we are probably just that!

We live in a world full of injustice and hypocrisy. Did any Christians get on TV and assert that they aren't all terrorists after what Anders Breivik did? No, they did not. And what he did was far worse - killing mostly teens and 60+ of them.