Peace in Palestine?

[Grace Seeker]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas agree to deal within a year. It is assumed that any such deal would result in a two-state solution in which both a Palestinian state and Israel were seen as legitimate by each other, in addition a number of other very thorny and complicated issues would also have to be worked out.


If you would like to see this accomplished, what do you think it will take from each side to make this a reality?

If you are against it, what are your objections and why?

 

[IslamicRevival]

Would you like to see Abbas and Netanyahu come to agreement on a two-state solution?

Simple answer, NO. You cannot negotiate with mass murdering terrorist baby killers. I want peace but these Zionist pigs do not even know the meaning of the word. Even if a two state solution was agreed, does anyone believe the terrorist Israelis would all of a sudden stop killing innocent Palestinians? Terrorists will always be terrorists.

The biggest problem is the Israhellis are not negotiating with Hamas. the democratically elected government of Gaza.. Why do the US and Israhell continually ignore Hamas and exclude them from peace talks? Abbas and his party legally DO NOT have control over Gaza, hence he does not represent the Palestinians on the political stage, HAMAS DO! No chance of peace until Israhell and its masters America recognize Hamas and speak to them directly.

Its clear Abbas is a US puppet and an Israeli ally, and these so called peace talks are a big set up to fool the world. Its guaranteed the sham talks will end without an agreement and Israel will continue to build illegal settlements, bulldoze homes and kill innocent Palestinians.

The only viable solution is for the illegal immigrants to get the hell out of Palestine and immigrate to America. The better solution would be for the Israhelis to be sucked up by the ground, the world would be a better place without these dajjal followers

 

[Maryan0]

There cant be peace when one group of people holds all the power. In that case it would be peace on the powerful groups terms. Palestinians dont have much to bargain with. These peace talks are shams and lead nowhere.
Salam

 

[Zafran]

Salaam

This is the problem - a lot of people dont understand the palestine Isreal conflict - A good place to start is actually realising that Hamas is the democratically elected government not Mahmoud Abbas - if they cant get that right then do you think this a serious peace talk are a joke? Even if there is a peace deal it wouldnt mean a thing as Abbas isnt in power - Hamas is - what they need to do is start to talking to Hamas like the UK government did with the IRA.

peace

 

[sister herb]

Mahmoud Abbas is no longer president of Palestine neither president of Palestinian Authority - his time as president has ended already. Legal president or deputy president is spokesman of Palestinian Legistative Council - Dr. Dweik - according by Palestinian Basic Law and Palestinian Election Law. Thats why he can´t represent Palestinians in any kind of negotiations. Dr. Dweik is member of Hamas and Hamas is not part of these kind of negotiations.

Hamas has told before they can agree about peace agreement for 1967 borders, but they too demand that Jerusalem will be capital of Palestine and they don´t give up some basic principles like right of return of Palestinian refugees. This kind of "negotiations" what zionists and Abbas and his "team" are keeping is mostly just waste of time - specially when zionists still continue stealing more Palestinian lands, building more housing units to settlements and new settlements, and violate rights of Palestinians by every possible ways.

Here are some articles about how possible is reach peace without accepting Hamas and its conditions to any kind of peace talks:

The Economist: No agreement without Hamas
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/...tllwq22NnB0Prf1H163DVTrYp2Fzcil22Gy61dFnrCWc=

Prominent rabbi tells Erdogan: There can be no peace without Hamas
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/...pd3YVFPIF0o5xdptpRzwxOU0iXDxDBQxwKIm1g4tZ9nw=

 

[Dagless]

Netanyahu is only agreeing to talk because he has to. It's the only way to make the US and Israel appear sane. He is not really interested in any solution. Why should he be? The bulldozers continue to run despite what anyone says.

 

[Woodrow]

For those of us living in the Western world it is difficult to understand why peace is so difficult to reach. From a logical view a 2 state existence is the better choice. But, while it is logical it does not mean it is feasible or justified. The reality is there are 2 distinct nations, each opposed to the others ideology, trying to occupy the same piece of real estate. We made a gigantic error in 1946-47 in thinking we could build a nation without destroying the occupants of the land. This is the result of our interference. We had absolutely no right to relocate people living in Europe, the USA and Russia into occupied land, inhabited by people who knew it as their only home.

How do we undo the damage we brought about, without causing even more harm?

While a 2 state nation is the most sensible solution. It will not result in peaceful coexistence. The simply fact is there will be no peace until it is all one people and one nation. For peace to come one nation has to leave the land. You can have either Palestine or Israel, but not both on the same land. We made a gross error and as a result the innocents of both Palestine and Israel are those who will suffer the most.

I guess we could take all of the Israelis and move them to New York City and evict the current New Yorkers to London on the basis that the original New Yorkers were British Colonists and by heritage have a birth right to the UK.

Us humans must be the most demanding and arrogant of all created life. We can not be moving people around like furniture during a house redecorating spree. I know we can not undo the errors of the past, but us in the USA and UK do have to carry a burden of guilt over the mess we made out of an innocent country and a group of displaced people in need of a home. Yes, we should have helped the Jews find a home after WW2, but we had no right to give them an occupied home that we did not own. The reality is if we wanted to give the Jews a homeland we should have given them something we actually owned and occupied legally. Today's world would look much different if we had given them Ireland or Pennsylvania. Oddly we could have legally done either, but we would have faced a very strong backlash. I wonder why we did not think we would get the same backlash from the Palestinians.

No, I do not have a workable solution. While I would like to see the peaceful existence in a 2 state compromise, I do not see that as workable or even fair.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Netanyahu is only agreeing to talk because he has to. It's the only way to make the US and Israel appear sane. He is not really interested in any solution. Why should he be? The bulldozers continue to run despite what anyone says.

Yes well said, I think the FT summarised the talks well

The Truth behind the “Peace Process”

A poisoned process holds little hope

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/the-truth-behind-the-peace-process/

The show must go on

One final act in Middle East farce

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/the-show-must-go-on/

For anybody whos interested in the history, there was never a 'peace process' in the first place, in fact the beginning of the Oslo process can be compared with the onset of Apartheid in South Africa.

Until the USA + Israel abandon their decades old rejectionist stance, blocking every conceivable way to solve the conflict, there is little hope for a just solution to ongoing misery of Palestinians.

Having said that when apartheid fell it was completely unexpected, so as long as we keep campaigning there is hope of a sort but nevertheless hope.

 

[جوري]

I don't believe in a two state solution NO!
can I come and take over half your house take over by force, and then slime my way into the rest of it so you are sleeping in the garage if at all? How laughable!

 

[titus]

A two state solution is almost impossible now. You have two states which teach their children to hate each other. Reason and common sense left this part of the world years ago to be replaced by blind hatred and disgust.

Maybe one day they will get smart, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

 

[Zafran]

A two state solution is almost impossible now. You have two states which teach their children to hate each other

very contradictory statement. The whole point of a two state solution is because we dont have 2 states. Its not impossible for a two state solution.

 

[titus]

You are right, my phrasing was off. A better way to put that would have been:

A two state solution is almost impossible now. You have these people that teach their children to hate each other.

When you are raised to believe that those that disagree with you are dogs, pigs and inhuman it makes it practically impossible to come to any kind of agreement with them.

 

[Ramadhan]

When you are raised to believe that those that disagree with you are dogs, pigs and inhuman it makes it practically impossible to come to any kind of agreement with them.

I wonder how would you feel if mexico starts to lay claim on texas, sending out millions of mexicans to texas, drive out the local native texans from their homes and round them up inside "designated areas" like waco and then fence them all inside the area with no or little access and then time to time subject them with missiles and buldoze over their homes etc.
and then move mexico capital from mexico city to houston/dallas, while claiming the local native texans as terrorists?

 

[titus]

Maybe send out suicide bombers and launch rockets at the Mexicans? Maybe continuously call for the extermination and elimination of Mexicans.

But maybe after 65 years or so of this I would realize that no matter how much I don't like them that they are not going anywhere, since all of the wars and violence have actually made things worse for my people. Maybe then I would have the sense to come to an agreement with them.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

You are right, my phrasing was off. A better way to put that would have been:

A two state solution is almost impossible now. You have these people that teach their children to hate each other.

When you are raised to believe that those that disagree with you are dogs, pigs and inhuman it makes it practically impossible to come to any kind of agreement with them.

This betrays a total lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Characterising both peoples as you have is lazy and crass to put it bluntly. +o(

There has been an international consensus for over 30 years on how to solve the issue, the problem is that USA+Israel has continually blocked efforts to reach a peace settlement.

Read the history man, its a very straightforward and easy to conflict to understand and solve if the will was there.

In fact the conflict has similiar parallels with American history, after all whatever happend to the native Americans after the European settlers arrived?

 

[Woodrow]

I wonder how would you feel if mexico starts to lay claim on texas, sending out millions of mexicans to texas, drive out the local native texans from their homes and round them up inside "designated areas" like waco and then fence them all inside the area with no or little access and then time to time subject them with missiles and buldoze over their homes etc.
and then move mexico capital from mexico city to houston/dallas, while claiming the local native texans as terrorists?

To a large extent that has happened and is still taking happening. People whose ancestors lived in "Estado de Tejas" are considered illegal aliens when they cross the Rio Bravo (Rio Grande River) and come up into Texas. Many people of Mexican ancestry in the US live in ghettos and are treated as second class citizens if they are treated as citizens. But going back to pre Spanish conquest of the Americas, the land the home of the Tejas, Comanche, Caddo, Chiracua, Yaqi, Caranchua, and several other Native American tribes. Most of whom are now either relocate, exterminated or reduced to insignificant numbers. The Tejas for whom Texas was named are now extinct as are the Caranchua. The Yaqi are pretty much exiled to the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico, the Comanche have become spread out the Caddo are reduced to a small reservation in Livingston Texas with nearly all of their native culture erased. But this indignity the USA is not fully the fault of the USA. The Spanish did most of that prior to the formation of the USA and did the same thing in Mexico. Very few of the original Native Americans remain in large numbers. Gone are most of the Maya, and the other original people. today only about 10% of the Mexicans are Native American. The Two largest ethnic groups are Europeans (largely Spanish) and Mezitos (Mixed race, predominately European)

 

[titus]

This betrays a total lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Characterising both peoples as you have is lazy and crass to put it bluntly.

It is a simplification, sure, but it is accurate.

To put the blame solely on the shoulders of Israel and the US for the lack of a settlement is, to put it bluntly, wrong. The Palestinian leadership has their fair share of the blame also.

In fact the conflict has similiar parallels with American history, after all whatever happend to the native Americans after the European settlers arrived?

Some similarities maybe, but for the most part it is completely different.

One big difference off the top of my head is that the Palestinian population has actually grown considerably since the creation of Israel. The same can not be said of Native Americans after Europeans arrived.

Apples and oranges.

Mezitos (Mixed race, predominately European)

Mestizo (don't want them mad at you for spelling it wrong).

You are dead on about the Native Americans. I think your characterization of people of Mexican ancestry is a little off, though. In Texas I don't think it makes much of a difference when applying for a job or running for office if you name is Smith or Garcia. Your legal status, on the other hand, and your ability to speak the language are huge factors.

 

[Argamemnon]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas agree to deal within a year. It is assumed that any such deal would result in a two-state solution in which both a Palestinian state and Israel were seen as legitimate by each other, in addition a number of other very thorny and complicated issues would also have to be worked out.


If you would like to see this accomplished, what do you think it will take from each side to make this a reality?

If you are against it, what are your objections and why?

Nothing will come out of it as usual because Israel refuses to accept the International consensus.

 

[Argamemnon]

To put the blame solely on the shoulders of Israel and the US for the lack of a settlement is, to put it bluntly, wrong. The Palestinian leadership has their fair share of the blame also.

That's not true, Israel (with U.S. support and protection) has never accepted the International consensus. As long as this continues Palestinians (including Hamas) have the right to resist occupation under International law. See UN Charter Art. 51.

 

[Zafran]

It is a simplification, sure, but it is accurate.

To put the blame solely on the shoulders of Israel and the US for the lack of a settlement is, to put it bluntly, wrong. The Palestinian leadership has their fair share of the blame also.



Some similarities maybe, but for the most part it is completely different.

One big difference off the top of my head is that the Palestinian population has actually grown considerably since the creation of Israel. The same can not be said of Native Americans after Europeans arrived.

Apples and oranges.



Mestizo (don't want them mad at you for spelling it wrong).

You are dead on about the Native Americans. I think your characterization of people of Mexican ancestry is a little off, though. In Texas I don't think it makes much of a difference when applying for a job or running for office if you name is Smith or Garcia. Your legal status, on the other hand, and your ability to speak the language are huge factors.

Its not the palestinians that have been blocking the 30 year consensus (in the UN security council) of a two state solution - thats all thanks to the US vetoing against when the enire world is for it. The palestinians have leaders - the pity is that the US and Isreal dont want to talk to them - They dont want peace - they want a total compromise from the palestinians - which isnt going to happen - already the issues of borders, settlements, refugees and Jerusalem is against Isreal - under international law - those settelements are illiegal - the borders should go back to 1967 and east Jerusalem is meant to be the capital city of palestine - Isreal and the US know this well. This problem could have been solved years ago the US and Isreal dont want it that way.

Lets not even start with Gaza..............