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[Mohamed_Sadiq]

No they don't. These are your values, not other people's. You are allowed to be sanctimonious about respecting other religions. You are allowed to even protest, boycott and encourage others to criticise those who would diminish those ideals.

You do not, however have the right to force independent secular nationstates to censor their media to pay refuge to your feelings. Not only is it an unacceptable and unreasonable demand, it is also outside of the power of most of these countries (they do not control the media and cannot impose new legislation to censor them arbitrarily).


This is, in the context of what is being contended - arguably the only way to defend freedom of expression. It is people refusing to back down over the demands that Islam become uniquely immune from mockery and insult.

Indeed, to claim that freedom of speech must supercede hurt feelings and then refuse to demonstrate a willingness to put that into action is cowardice.

Do you know what cowardice is? Mocking and taking the mick out of a religion.

We never said that protest and boycotting is bad infact it is the best way to show ur freedom of speech. But taking the mick out of a religion is not freedom of speech its wat u call being dumb and stupid.

 

[Skavau]

The fact that you are an atheist does not offend anybody. You can believe in what ever you want.

My being an atheist and believing that hell is an immoral concept has directly offended people I have been in discussion with. Are you to suggest I should be censored in such a situation?

However, people feel uncomfortable when you spread this unhealthy belief for natural reasons.

So if I decide to promote secularism, humanism, anti-theism or something similar - should I be censored if someone finds it offensive?

 

[Skavau]

Do you know what cowardice is? Mocking and taking the mick out of a religion.

In what context?

We never said that protest and boycotting is bad infact it is the best way to show ur freedom of speech. But taking the mick out of a religion is not freedom of speech its wat u call being dumb and stupid.

If using free expression to make satirical comments and to produce satirical cartoons is not freedom of expression - then what is? Are you against satire?

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

So if I decide to promote secularism, humanism, anti-theism or something similar - should I be censored if someone finds it offensive?

People find things offensive when they think they are wrong. Secularism is simply wrong and you should not advocate wrong things because it is unhealthy.

If you want to spread a belief you can communicate it to others - check very carefully if what you say is right -
and then distribute it.

Ahhm. Hell might seem to you immoral but ...yet exists. Look around you you can find a lot of manifestations
of hell on earth even! (you do not need to die to see it exists)

What is war in your opinion? Is it not hell? It is immoral - so why do you not go against war?
Secularism is a weird idea.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

On the internet, there exists many outlets for mockery. I know of at least two parodies of wikipedia (one 'decent', the other more explicit). They mock everything. This includes Islam. Indeed both websites have large articles on Islam. Are you suggesting that those satirical encyclopedias have their articles on Islam (and other articles relating to it) censored? If so, would you by extension suggesting that anyone on the internet who mocks or insults Islam or Muslims have their ISPs contacted and have their service providers cut them off?

Why or why not?

I don't know the website's your talking about and how they are mocking Islam. But if it is true then we can't do nothing about it as it is through the internet, people with the knowledge of how to remove it, then they can do wat they can to stop the hatred stuff through the internet.

do you support the mockery of religions really? if u do then ur mad and disrespectful

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

In what context?


If using free expression to make satirical comments and to produce satirical cartoons is not freedom of expression - then what is? Are you against satire?

Lool if u hate Islam so much why not go war with us rather than drawing and taking the mick seriously, drawing something like that won't help u at all ur just igniting the fuel, but u won't understand why people with religion get angry wen their religion is being mocked cause u don't believe in god and u don't know the feeling Islam gives us.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

On the internet, there exists many outlets for mockery. I know of at least two parodies of wikipedia (one 'decent', the other more explicit). They mock everything. This includes Islam. Indeed both websites have large articles on Islam. Are you suggesting that those satirical encyclopedias have their articles on Islam (and other articles relating to it) censored? If so, would you by extension suggesting that anyone on the internet who mocks or insults Islam or Muslims have their ISPs contacted and have their service providers cut them off?

I have seen you repeat your boring statements over and over again. I am out for sleep. Good luck Son..

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

I have seen you repeat your boring statements over and over again. I am out for sleep. Good luck Son.

Seriously the guy is weird wat world is he living in?

 

[Skavau]

People find things offensive when they think they are wrong. Secularism is simply wrong and you should not advocate wrong things because it is unhealthy.

Actually, not quite true. I don't think Christianity is correct, but I am not offended when I view people promoting it. I can think of a lot of things I happen to disagree with that are promoted - which does not offend me. Indeed, I would think less of someone that actually got offended about the promotion of anything they disagreed with. Those are the seeds of fascism.

But you did not answer my question: If I decide to promote secularism, humanism, anti-theism or something similar - should I be censored if someone finds it offensive?

Ahhm. Hell might seem to you immoral but ...yet exists. Look around you you can find a lot of manifestations
of hell on earth even! (you do not need to die to see it exists)

The issue of hell was just an example. I don't wish to talk about my reasons concerning it here as it is not an issue of the thread. At any rate, people have been offended by me pointing out my moral opposition to the concept of a hellfire. Should I, by your reckoning be censored if someone finds my pointing out of it offensive?

What is war in your opinion? Is it not hell? It is immoral - so why do you not go against war?
Secularism is a weird idea.

War is not hell. When I talk about 'hell' I am referring to a literal metaphysical realm that most Muslims and many Christians contend exists.

And I am against war. I should hope everyone in general is against war.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Apparently in la-la land. InshaAllah when the will of Allah comes, we will bash these cowards. And they will hide like little girls. :salamext:

 

[Skavau]

I don't know the website's your talking about and how they are mocking Islam. But if it is true then we can't do nothing about it as it is through the internet, people with the knowledge of how to remove it, then they can do wat they can to stop the hatred stuff through the internet.

The websites function identically to wikipedia. People submit articles on topics to the library. The difference of course between them and wikipedia is that they are a parody of wikipedia, and so every article posted is a humour piece that deliberately mocks and insults what it is talking about. These articles do include Islam. Are you suggesting that those websites be taken offline? If so, would then go further and advance the ideal that anyone on the internet who mocks or insults Islam or Muslims have their ISPs contacted and have their service providers cut them off?

do you support the mockery of religions really? if u do then ur mad and disrespectful

I support people's right to mock religion.

 

[Skavau]

I see that you repeat your boring statements over and over again. I am out for sleep. Good luck Son.

And no-one has yet bothered to answer them (other than marwen).

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Correction: You do not disagree with Christianity - you are ambivalent to Christianity.

In order to disagree to something you have to truly care about it. Actually - I do not understand, if
you do not care about something why do you waste your valuable time in thinking about it at all?

Life is precious don't waste your time on things you do not care for.

Are you raising your voice against war? Of course we are all against war. But in order to fight war we should cooperate and not waste time on drawing irritating cartoons just in order to make your brothers uneasy.

 

[DataPacRat]

And I am against war. I should hope everyone in general is against war.

But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.

* John Stuart Mill in "The Contest in America" Harper's New Monthly Magazine, Volume 24, Issue 143 (April 1862), page 683-684

 

[Skavau]

Lool if u hate Islam so much why not go war with us rather than drawing and taking the mick seriously

I don't "hate Islam" anymore than I "hate" other religious beliefs. At any rate, I certainly don't hate Muslims and I have no desire to go to war with anyone.

Moreover, I am not a cartoonist.

, drawing something like that won't help u at all ur just igniting the fuel, but u won't understand why people with religion get angry wen their religion is being mocked cause u don't believe in god and u don't know the feeling Islam gives us.

I understand that people can be offended. I have never disputed that. I have never had an issue with these same people pleading for media outlets to show restraint, or self-censorship either (as people have the right to do that). The only thing I am against is the demand that by law, Islam be immune from mockery, insult (and according to some) criticism if people happen to be offended.

 

[Life_Is_Short]

It's funny how when a programme against Israel or something a slightly bit controversial is aired here in the U.K. There are floods of complaints and the next thing you'll see is an apology from the channel and the programme.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Why do you "hate" religions?

 

[Skavau]

Correction: You do not disagree with Christianity - you are ambivalent to Christianity.

In order to disagree to something you have to truly care about it. Actually - I do not understand, if
you do not care about something why do you waste your valuable time in thinking about it at all?

Life is precious don't waste your time on things you do not care for.

Are you raising your voice against war? Of course we are all against war. But in order to fight war we should cooperate and not waste time on drawing irritating cartoons just in order to make your brothers uneasy.

Gabriel, this is off-topic. I await your answer to the following question:

If I decide to promote secularism, humanism, anti-theism or something similar - should I be censored if someone finds it offensive?

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.

* John Stuart Mill in "The Contest in America" Harper's New Monthly Magazine, Volume 24, Issue 143 (April 1862), page 683-684

Have you ever taken part in a war?

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Gabriel, this is off-topic. I await your answer to the following question:

If I decide to promote secularism, humanism, anti-theism or something similar - should I be censored if someone finds it offensive?

Yes. Like anybody else who is offensive.