poisoning islam

[ghengis]

dont let poisonous beliefs penetrate your mind or roll off of your tongue.

we all say these things.... they are poisonous. anti-islamic, and subtly destroy the religion in your heart.... purify yourselves....

add em on.......... lets clean ourselves up.

survival of the fittest
--- created by darwin, the one who thinks we evolved from apes. if u here any muslim saying this please inform him he has uttered a monstrosity against islam.
. competing in the ummah is not allowed either. the only competing is for good deeds. hadith says "

" want for your brother better than u want for your self"... the complete opposite of this teaching is the scientist darwins modern attitude of "survival of the fittest"

evolution is not how humans were created according to islam. protect yourself o muslims.

 

[ghengis]

modern western taught teaches and spreads the ideology and belief.

"men are from mars and women are from venus", created in 90's by 2 self help authors. a very popular book in the west.

analyse the statement.... it is sowing discord between man and wife, we know that the angels sent down black magic and learnt how to sow discord between man and wife.

so if u see or hear anyone sowing discord between man and wife please inform them they have done a monstrous thing. a grave thing. an abominable thing.

in islam it is " a man is a womans garment and a woman is a mans garment"
we need each other. we are not from different world.... no
we naturally and intrinsically need and understand each other.

destroy these falsities that we hear muslims speak on a regular basis please... correct them

 

[Rabi'ya]

What a fantastic reminder. It is certainly important to humble ourselves in any situation and we should always strive to do the best we can with the resources and knowledge we possess.

 

[ghengis]

when u live in the west u are swimming in filthy water... so be aware.

be aware what u let into your mind... consciously and subconsciously.

overtly and covertly

 

[Hugo]

dont let poisonous beliefs penetrate your mind or roll off of your tongue. we all say these things.... they are poisonous. anti-islamic, and subtly destroy the religion in your heart.... purify yourselves....

add em on.......... lets clean ourselves up.

survival of the fittest
--- created by darwin, the one who thinks we evolved from apes. if u here any muslim saying this please inform him he has uttered a monstrosity against islam.
. competing in the ummah is not allowed either. the only competing is for good deeds. hadith says "

" want for your brother better than u want for your self"... the complete opposite of this teaching is the scientist darwins modern attitude of "survival of the fittest"

evolution is not how humans were created according to islam. protect yourself o muslims.

We all have to guard our faith but we cannot do that by ignoring everything can we? Its fine for you to not believe in evolution but let's here you evidence. Whether you like it or not there is a huge body of evidence for evolution and you cannot with honesty dismiss it

 

[Hugo]

modern western taught teaches and spreads the ideology and belief.

"men are from mars and women are from venus", created in 90's by 2 self help authors. a very popular book in the west.

analyse the statement.... it is sowing discord between man and wife, we know that the angels sent down black magic and learnt how to sow discord between man and wife. so if u see or hear anyone sowing discord between man and wife please inform them they have done a monstrous thing. a grave thing. an abominable thing.

in islam it is " a man is a womans garment and a woman is a mans garment"
we need each other. we are not from different world.... no we naturally and intrinsically need and understand each other. destroy these falsities that we hear muslims speak on a regular basis please... correct them

So according to you all western thought is contained in one book by John Gray which deals with the differences between men and woman - hardly credible is it?

 

[Hugo]

when u live in the west u are swimming in filthy water... so be aware. be aware what u let into your mind... consciously and subconsciously. overtly and covertly

Please explain where we can swim in clean, sparkling water: Iran, Sudan, .. where?

Does nothing good come from the West? Where was penicillin invented, or lasers, or x-ray machines or a whole host of things. Give us a list of what other than the West has produced?

If you close your mind as you seem to advocate then you condemn yourself to being backward forever. Marie Curie once said "there is nothing to be feared, only understood".

 

[ghengis]

lol....

protect yourselves my muslims from rhetoric that drives us from our faiths.

donot fall for the snares of shaitan....

they think we are backwards......

 

[ghengis]

fashion in the west vs stability of quran

in the west

things change, things go out of and into fashion, in this day and age we dont do that, the kids these days arent how we used to be, its the new generation.... blah blah...

a deep mainstream belief is for culture to change, and morph, so children dont see eye to with there parents.

dont say these things muslims. because in islam. there is no degredation with respect to time.

quran is the law of god, from the beginning till the end. it will not change, or shift.

so when u here muslims talking about this day and age, and it is not needed these days, and things have changed, understand that they have uttered a falsehood.

islam doesnt change, the word of god doesnt change. we have the firmest handhold.

everything around islam changes... and some muslims get caught up in the "poisonous new beliefs"

no change with respect to time........ allahs law is permenant. be on the lookout for muslims who roll these things off of there tongue, and remind them of the truth.

be aware.

 

[جوري]

We all have to guard our faith but we cannot do that by ignoring everything can we? Its fine for you to not believe in evolution but let's here you evidence. Whether you like it or not there is a huge body of evidence for evolution and you cannot with honesty dismiss it

There is a huge body for everything, Judaism, Hinduism, alien encounters. It doesn't mean much does it? in the beginning you've to start with a belief, an apriori judgment, and such is the case with any unproven theory!

I doubt if anyone offered you molecular biology of evolution in details that you'd bother read it given that I have posted numerous articles on the matter.. here is one again, if truly you have interest, how about you start your refutation on this level?

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Probabilities of randomly assembling a primitive cell on Earth

Dermott J. Mullan, [email protected]

Moderator's comment: This article is too long to paste in a post

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Mullan_PrimitiveCell_112302.pdf

You enjoy quotes I can tell, but they are not a substitute for doing your homework:

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Aphorisms are essentially an aristocratic genre of writing. The aphorist does not argue or explain, he asserts; and implicit in his assertion is a conviction that he is wiser and more intelligent than his readers.[/FONT] --Auden

all the best

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Hugo;

Whether you like it or not there is a huge body of evidence for evolution and you cannot with honesty dismiss it

Like ghengis, I am not a big fan of the theory of evolution, I feel many people try and use the theory to prove God does not exist.

In the spirit of searching for God,

Eric

 

[Snowflake]

From what I've learnt, the ape-to-man theory of evolution was designed by Zionists to promote disbelief in God/religion. As all major religions (which btw, are perceived as a threat by satan-worshipping zionists) teach that God created man, the aim was to destroy man's belief in God by 'refuting' religious teachings and nullifying his belief in religion to make him susceptible to mind-control. Darwin's theory or conjecture, as I like to put it, will always, only remain just that.

Hugo: Please explain where we can swim in clean, sparkling water: Iran, Sudan, .. where?

The brother meant it in a metaphorical sense. To which, I still do disagree to an extent in the way that it is not only in the west that we have to protect ourselves but wherever we maybe. satellite TV has reached every corner of the worlds and with the the evils of irreligious societies being projected across muslims lands. Even there, we are just as vulnerable as we are anywhere in the world. I think instead the saying the 'West' which should seek an alternative which only describes a specific group.

Does nothing good come from the West? Where was penicillin invented, or lasers, or x-ray machines or a whole host of things. Give us a list of what other than the West has produced?

Yes! The west has given us some great revert muslim brothers and sisters.

The other so-called good things you mention were only invented to deal with forever increasing diseases as the result of the decline in preventative/holistic medicine. The use of antibiotics has had an adverse effect of natural immunity with more and more people suffering from common-colds and infections. X-ray machines carry risks and not to mention deaths by 'doctor-caused' diseases. So no, there's nothing great to celebrate about that.




(No offence to doctors on board. By doctor-caused diseases, I'm talking about drugs which lead to drug-related disease and death.)

 

[Hugo]

lol....protect yourselves my muslims from rhetoric that drives us from our faiths.

donot fall for the snares of shaitan....

they think we are backwards......

Fine, but please answer the questions I asked, let us hear a positive response from you if you have it instead of stiring up irrational hatred and suspicion. No one said you were backward, only that if you close your mind with unfounded suspicion and hate you condemn yourself to be becoming backward

 

[Hugo]

There is a huge body for everything, Judaism, Hinduism, alien encounters. It doesn't mean much does it? in the beginning you've to start with a belief, an apriori judgment, and such is the case with any unproven theory!

Hugo - why did you leave out Islam?

I doubt if anyone offered you molecular biology of evolution in details that you'd bother read it given that I have posted numerous articles on the matter.. here is one again, if truly you have interest, how about you start your refutation on this level?

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Mullan_PrimitiveCell_112302.pdf
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As usual you cannot answer any question and instead offer a 20,000 word essay and so bring the discussion to a halt.

It is always possibles to assign probabilities to events and that might be useful but it's not proof of anything. I assume because you used this long essay dealing with that idea that you agree that evolution is at least a possibility.

I am open minded about it personally and to me it has no effect whatever on my faith and I cannot see that either the Bible or the Qu'ran dismisses it unless you take the impossible route that everything written in either book must be taken absolutely literally. The scriptures were never intended to be science text books and what we have to use them for is hearing what God is saying to us then and now.

 

[Hugo]

From what I've learnt, the ape-to-man theory of evolution was designed by Zionists to promote disbelief in God/religion. As all major religions (which btw, are perceived as a threat by satan-worshipping zionists) teach that God created man, the aim was to destroy man's belief in God by 'refuting' religious teachings and nullifying his belief in religion to make him susceptible to mind-control. Darwin's theory or conjecture, as I like to put it, will always, only remain just that.

Hugo - can you tell us where you got this bit about "designed by Zionists" from? It sounds as if it's come from that pernicious forgery called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Darwin was not a Jew as far as I know and and every biologist could hardly be either. The aim was about science and nothing else as far as Darwin was concerned and he perfectly understood the limitations of his work as you will find if you read it. The fact that you take it to be about religion and mind control is your affair but millions do not take it like that and go on in their faith and good works.

The brother meant it in a metaphorical sense. To which, I still do disagree to an extent in the way that it is not only in the west that we have to protect ourselves but wherever we maybe. satellite TV has reached every corner of the worlds and with the the evils of irreligious societies being projected across muslims lands. Even there, we are just as vulnerable as we are anywhere in the world. I think instead the saying the 'West' which should seek an alternative which only describes a specific group.

Hugo - here I think we can agree, we are inclined to sin wherever we are. But TV and communications can be channels of good as well as bad and it is by our righteous living that society changes not by law.

The other so-called good things you mention were only invented to deal with forever increasing diseases as the result of the decline in preventative/holistic medicine. The use of antibiotics has had an adverse effect of natural immunity with more and more people suffering from common-colds and infections. X-ray machines carry risks and not to mention deaths by 'doctor-caused' diseases. So no, there's nothing great to celebrate about that.

Hugo - not sure what you are saying here, you would rather we had none of these, you would rather we did not have vaccines to prevent Measles or Small Pox eradication - nothing to celebrate, I have to ask is this really how you feel, is it a rational response or is it prejudice. If these things had been invented in an Islamic country would you say just the same?

 

[Clover]

when u live in the west u are swimming in filthy water... so be aware.

be aware what u let into your mind... consciously and subconsciously.

overtly and covertly

Wow...So all us Westerners are filthy? You are a very insulting person, everywhere I see you, insult after insult.

Islam can stay 'pure' in the West, as long as it doesn't break a rule of the West, and I don't think their is anything in Islam that does, although I might be mistaken.

 

[aamirsaab]

when u live in the west u are swimming in filthy water... so be aware.

Oh come on, that is not fair; you can't go around making such sweeping generalisations and then expect people to take you seriously.


There are positives to living in the west; just as there are negatives.

 

[ghengis]

lol hahaha

1. "as a muslim if you are living in a non muslim environment you are "swimming in filthy water"

it is a metaphor for those who understands metaphors.... dont take it personally o sweet ones.

one drop of black ink in pure water will corrupt the whole water, diffusion.

so when islamic people walk amongst and live in non believing societies then they need to be aware the society they live in will be inconducible to their perspective of islamic purity, and the opposite in this metaphor of purity is filthiness.

so the metaphor again. which is directed to muslims that read my posts. i am not changing my opinions beacause a few people dont like it.

"when you are living in a non islamic society/environment, external stimuli will enter your mind through your sensations which will degrade the purity of your islam, so reject this, and maintain your regimes of purifying your hearts and souls and delve deeper into islam, regardless of your external environment."

"when you are living in the west it is like you are swimming in filthy water, so be aware of this, fellow muslims"

sorry if it offends.

 

[ghengis]

there are many positives of living in the west yes.

but i am warning what to be aware of in this thread not what we can look up to. u should start that thread somewher else if you want to. or get podorok the collest guy on this forum to do it.

lol

or hugo.. he seems very cool.

 

[Rabi'ya]

You use the West in your metaphor as a non-Muslim environment which has many things to distract us from our deen. But can you please tell me somewhere (presumably not in the West) where there are no distractions from deen?