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Is that your actual purpose here?
I was hoping you came here searching for answers...To clear things up...to discuss with us, things that don't sit right...But instead you came here to put people checkmate?

People have the opportunity to put me in checkmate. I listen. There are many times I have to stop my line of debating as the other person effectively shut it down. I’m here to debate bc I’m passionate about Islam. I’m a passionate debater on a message board of my favorite baseball team. I’m a frequent debater on IG and Yahoo, as I’ve told you.

I also definitely learn things this way. All the time.
All that said, do I enjoy feelings like a win in a debate? Yes.
 
People have the opportunity to put me in checkmate. I listen. There are many times I have to stop my line of debating as the other person effectively shut it down. I’m here to debate bc I’m passionate about Islam. I’m a passionate debater on a message board of my favorite baseball team. I’m a frequent debater on IG and Yahoo, as I’ve told you.

I also definitely learn things this way. All the time.
All that said, do I enjoy feelings like a win in a debate? Yes.
And I would classify myself as coming here for answers. To understand the differing mindsets from mine. If you mean answers on what Islam teaches, obviously I feel very strongly on my own beliefs. I did not come here to learn Islam, no. However, as mentioned, my mind is never closed to learning new things and considering different viewpoints. That doesn’t mean I’ll accept them though. If nothing else, I’ve added a little entertainment here 🤷🏻‍♂️. Generally speaking, I’m all good vibes and i’d be happy to make some internet Muslim friends. I have no friends irl 😅. I mean, by choice, I’m charismatic:)
I managed businesses and that would fulfill my “social” needs. Then I was a single dad and was big into my son’s travel sports. Message boards and such are what I had time for. When my kid went away to college 4 years ago, as a kind of Muslim I don’t drink and party and stuff. But now that I’m off the hook for that $60k/yr for him, I decided to change to remote work and go shopping for a wife in Morocco or Tunisia. I’m in Tunisia now
 
Is that your actual purpose here?
I was hoping you came here searching for answers...To clear things up...to discuss with us, things that don't sit right...But instead you came here to put people checkmate?
Also, note Mohammad was highly antagonistic to me and mocked my knowledge of Islam on numerous occasions.

I do not mind this, as it established him as a “rival” of sorts for me, so it makes our interactions enjoyable to me. I may come off as insulting at the face of it but don’t lose sight that he started it 🤷🏻‍♂️☺️. It’s important to know I’m enjoying myself telling him he’s in checkmate. There’s no animosity in it.
 
There are many different struggles in life; warfare is clearly one of them, but so is striving against one's own desires, etc. Limiting the concept of struggle to one particular type is in contradiction to what humans experience every day. The Prophets faced different kinds of struggles with their peoples; there was overlap in the types of struggles but there were unique differences too.

Let me redirect because I concede that you were warranted to view it like I have an unhealthy focus on the fighting part of Islam.

Personally, just because I won’t call myself a Muslim bc of my unwillingness to accept the hard part of the religion, doesn’t mean I dont fear God and I don’t accept “the lesser jihad”.

I fast during Ramadan. I haven’t had sex since in 10 years since it ended with my son’s mom. I don’t go out partying. I fear God in stuff like stealing, etc. I give in charity. I do that all for God’s sake. Really the only difference between me and someone at the mosque is I don’t pray bc I would feel ashamed.

I just objectively understand this same “lesser jihad” is literally in all other religions. There’s a ton of good in it and what happens at the church/mosque. It’s the best of humanity that you can find, it’s just Islam is something better than that. There is supposed be genuine sincerity and selflessness that you can’t find anywhere else on Earth, religious or otherwise.

The foundation is Islam is definitely the sort of things you find in the mosque. It’s beautiful but if you remove the genuine struggle that unique to Islam from the religion, then it becomes no better than what you find at church.
 
I mean, it’s really easy to understand if you’re objective.

Say I decide to add prayer in the mosque to what I do now. When I get in front of God, how can I expect to go to the same place the Prophets and their followers went to??? They were far better than me. If I am a Muslim, what are they? I ruin their name by tying to say I am one of them.

IMO, I deserve to go to the same place in heaven that the people in the mosque and church go to. But God knows best.
 
Is that your actual purpose here?
I was hoping you came here searching for answers...To clear things up...to discuss with us, things that don't sit right...But instead you came here to put people checkmate?

To give you a better understanding of me so you don’t think I’m here trolling or something, I’ll share an offsite exchange on mine today. I don’t troll. I only comment on matters I’m looking to offer a genuine POV for debate. I can be rather blunt though and hard hitting.

So I entered comments on the case Cyrus Caramack-Belton. 14yo black kid killed by Chinese shop owner. Was acquitted and I responded to someone claiming about complete injustice and America is racist and sick blah blah

My reply:
6 black jurors. Your own people came back with the verdict. How about you do something meaningful in your community and keep semi automatic firearms with laser scopes out of the hands of 14yo. The boy would be alive right now….

…. Obviously a bit cold to say the least but a very valid POV in getting to the root of the real problem, so it’s not Groundhog Day.

Their reply:
hold on even if he didn't have the gun he would still be dead there's no way u hate black people so much you're literally choosing to be blind...they ain't even know he Had the gun until he was dead. The justice system is to blame bc there should've been justice for this young boy and they let him down big time. It's pathetic how you people just pick n choose what yall wanna here/see…

.. now shots have been fired 🤷🏻‍♂️. He’s insulted my intelligence and questioned my objectivity. I feel warranted to up the snark a bit.

My reply:
Tell me something!!?? Try to be objective for once in your life. Do you think the SIX!!! black people on the jury ALL hated black people?????? The defense has a chance to excuse jurors. Are you assuming they somehow MISSED allowing SIX black people on the jury that all HATED black people???!!! Do you know know objectively foolish and blind to facts your opinion is??? The defendent claimed the kid pointed a gun at his son. There's no proof either way of verifying the motions the victim made. There was a gun in the victims possession at some point and found not far from the body. You can't convict unless it’s beyond a reasonable doubt and that's why the SIX black people voted to ACQUIT. Even if they thought he probably killed him in cold blood, you have to rule based on American justice system of innocence until proven guilty….

.. I actually enjoyed the banter/exchange despite it looking personal. Out of respect for the much more serious discussion of Islam, I’m restraining myself from my usual verbiage to keep it respectful, while still keeping it informal to two dudes debating opinions. I’m not here trying to be Imam to anyone.
 
Let’s clarify something here. #1- I presented you with very solid Quranic reasoning in the story of Tabuk that prayers wouldn’t be excepted. The story of Moses that you batted away too.
This is at least the fourth time you are lying about what the Qur'an or Hadith actually say. If you read the story of Ka'b ibn Malik رضي الله عنه, he mentions that the Prophet ﷺ forbade the Muslims from talking to the three, not that their prayers wouldn't be accepted. In fact, Ka'b specifically mentions that he would go out and attend the prayers along with the Muslims (see Sahih Muslim, Book 50, Hadith 62). With regards to the exile of Bani Israeel, I simply highlighted its context. You started this thread by mentioning, 'I’m here sincerely seeking out a high level intellectual debate', yet you have only demonstrated blatant dishonesty.

There’s not a single Hadith I ever read in Bukhari or Muslim that spoke of someone being let out of the struggle. Mohammed’s time on Earth could accurately be described as a 50/50 prayer/stuggle split. I gave you all the verses of Allah saying the struggle is required and speaking bad of the Muslims that abandoned it. How can anyone unilaterally decide its ok to take such a substantial part of the religion out and still say it’s Islam?
You are still confused about what 'struggle' means and it seems you are not interested in hearing what the teachings of Islam actually state. You are inventing your own religion, it seems.

I am genuinely curious though if you can understand how much your God has changed from the Quran and Bible?
We have numerous threads comparing Islam and Christianity with detailed discussions about the Qur'an and Bible. Refer to those threads if you are interested.

So that said, of course I think someone going to the mosque and doing all the right things in life deserves a reward for it and deserves to go of heaven. However, it’s basic logic that they should not deserve the same reward as those that risked their lives for their faith and that’s what you can find in the verses calling out the weak in faith. So you should understand getting kicked out of the mosque from the Companions wouldn’t mean someone in going to hell, just they lost the right to call themselves a Muslim.
Only Allah has the right to decide who deserves what reward. He is the Knower of all intentions, hearts, struggles and individual circumstances. For you to think that you know better is sheer arrogance. Likewise, to accuse anyone of not being a Muslim based upon your own lack of understanding (and lying about Islamic texts) is shameful.

And no, I do not see any difference in the faith in a church and mosque. They are two similar religions competing against each other in good deeds. In one city, you will find a more pious mosque and in another city, a more pious church.
One religion views Jesus as a Prophet and the other views him as a God. For you to consider that as 'similar' suggests you are not very well informed of either religion.

If there is a man that believes in just God and wants no part of the failed religions on Earth today and he risks his life for the weakest on Earth. He strives as hard as a man can and accomplishes the most selfless acts there are in this world and stays away from sin, all for Gods sake. You’re crazy to think God will prefer you over this man just because Mohammed was your Prophet.
This points to that same sickness of the heart mentioned earlier, called arrogance, which prevents people from receiving the guidance of God. You want to follow your own version of what the purpose of life should be and do not wish to follow the guidance sent down by God. Such a person is the cause of their own downfall. You must approach God's guidance with a sincere and humble heart, and perhaps then you can benefit from His guidance.

Also, note Mohammad was highly antagonistic to me and mocked my knowledge of Islam on numerous occasions.
Poor you. You have insulted your own intelligence by misquoting the Qur'an and Ahadith and pretending they support your personal desires. And you wonder why your posts are 'censored'!

Personally, just because I won’t call myself a Muslim bc of my unwillingness to accept the hard part of the religion, doesn’t mean I dont fear God and I don’t accept “the lesser jihad”.
How can you speak about struggle and sacrifice yet at the same time admit your 'unwillingness to accept the hard part of the religion'! Don't you see a contradiction in your own attitude?

I think you've had enough entertainment. You've made it clear you aren't here for any beneficial purpose. This thread is closed.
 
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Also. I realized it’s probably natural to ask, what’s my point? It’s a very damming point. Why should someone wander into a mosque to learn about Islam if they are going to learn something very different than what Mohammed/Companions would teach?
 
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