Politics and Islam

[Ümit]

If you want to know the truth about God, go to a mirror and talk to him. Make sure you know verse 4:75 of the Quran talking about the weakest on Earth crying out for a protector. Islam point blank says a Muslim is to be that protector. There’s no debate in that.

I am definitely aware of that verse. I do not need a mirror to talk to God...and I definitely agree with you on this.

Ask your God this. Say God, when I stand before you, I wish for you to look at me with great pride.

Not going to ask for that, because that is way beyond my expectations...I am definitely not that great. I just want Allah to be pleased with me, even tough I am a failure.

There is a lot to this religion of Islam with all the acts of devotion and things we do at the mosque and also the added responsibility of being the protector of the weakest on Earth. I can’t take both of these things on, so I wish to know which path would please you more.

that is a lame excuse. The Quran orders us to do both...so you do both, not only the one or the other. You do not want to go to Palestine either, so you are using this lame excuse for "I can't do both". You are just as empty as all the other muslims...there really is no difference.
If betting wasn't haram, I would bet all my money that you wouldn't go to Palestine even if you got your exemption of the 5 pillars. (to spice up the debate even more)

But I am not judging you. Shaytaan is portaying us that fake illusion and excuses like
-I can't do both
-It is so far away
-I wouldn't make a difference anyways
-I wouldn't be able to reach it
etc. etc.

But I do not think those muslims are lying...they just lack the right motivation because of the Shaytaan.
With the right motivation, they definitely could move mountains like you said.
Let me give you a recent example:
remember the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt
Erdogan announced there was a coup going on in Turkey, and that all civilians should go outside to prevent it.
So men, fathers, husbands, brothers, sons, but also mothers, wives and daughters said farewell to their loved ones, armed themselves with sticks and stones, with kitchen knives of whatever they could find and hit the streets en masse to face those evil soldiers.
300 people got killed on that day, but they eventually reached those tanks...clogged their exhaust pipes with their clothes so the tanks could function no more and threw the soldiers off the bosphorus bridge.

I do admit that this was more of a political issue and not a religious one. They just needed to defend their country....but I am sure they would do the same if their religion was threatened like that.
So again, I do not think those people are lying.

1) I can vow to you that I will never miss a prayer at the mosque until the day I die and I will ace all of the 5 Pillars without failure. But bc of everything else I have going on if life, please release me from this responsibility of being the protector of people in the Congo. It’s just too much.

You cannot ask this from God. God ordered you to do both...so you do both. He knows you better than you know yourself.

2) I can go and risk my life and welfare to try to make sure those people aren’t suffering generation after generation. But if I do this God, I think I will be offering something very great

No you are not. you just fullfill your duty. Absurd to think that you are offering something very great.
All our prophets offered something very great to God, and not single one of them boasted about it like you do about something you didn't even offer yet.
So, please cut it out.

and I would ask that you would release me from the burden of all the acts of devotion and time spent in the mosque. I’m not going to pray because you should know I sincerely believe bc I am risking my life and welfare for your sake.

No you are not. You got your life and welfare from God...so you are giving it back if everything goes downhill...
So you can't ask this from God...you need to buckle up and do both...so stop whining about it.

“God, I can only do either one of these two things and not any combination of both. I need you to tell me which path I should take to make you most proud when I stand before you”

Not one, not the other. both...that is asked from you.

Don’t give me a cowardly politician answer .
If you ask God to answer this question, he will answer it for you. Tell me what you think your God says.

I know I am just as guilty as you. Those kids suffer over there daily, and I am here safe in my room staring at my monitor comfortly.
I cannot ask Allah this question...because I know I can't abandon one ruling in order to follow the other correctly.

A better thing to ask for is strength to do both. That would be a much better dua.
Tell me what you think Allah says about that. Don't give me a cowardly answer.

 

[Dpaul54]

Umit,

Before I reply to anything else, understand my attack in on how Islam is practiced today and not Islam itself. I’m saying the emptiness is in the practice but my genuine belief is that if you invented a God and religion, you couldn’t create something more meaningful than what Islam ACTUALLY teaches.

That’s why I don’t even say Allah instead of God because I feel today he’s essentially been butchered to make him more like Jesus (which is not good).

 

[Dpaul54]

Secondly, ok. I will change my debating style but only for here. I’m admittedly used to debating current events in politics and pop culture on IG reels and Yahoo articles. This is a much more serious discussion for me, so I can respect you putting me in my place a bit.

In my long history of internet debating and anecdotally speaking, it’s very rare when someone actually listens to a different viewpoint and truly considers it before replying. Especially if it’s Pro-Trump and Anti Trump having a discussion . I’m totally neutral on him btw (hate Iran war as example) or anyone but I have developed a tendency to slip in some unneeded TDS insults to liberals along with legitimate debate points. I will avoid that here and from now on, I will give me the benefit of the doubt on your objectivity without me having to treat you like a 3rd grader.

I’ll focus one thing at a time here too to really dig into hard truths and hear each other out.

Let’s unpack something bc we seem to agree on the academics of Islam. I got censored for making the point but I’ll rephrase it. You and I both know the story of the 3 Sincere Muslims after Tabuk that were temporarily excommunicated bc they decided they weren’t going to risk their lives for their faith. We know of the followers of Moses banned to be he desert for 40 years for the same reason. As academics, the clear truth to face is if Mohammed and the Companions had a mosque today, you and I are getting booted for playing it safe. In your very rough estimation, what % of Muslims today do you think truly understand this about themselves?

Bc the logical follow up question one should ask themselves, like I would, is what am I even doing here if I don’t truly have the right to call myself a Muslim?? This is clear disbelief to me. That’s my 25% I face the truth about. I want to know what % of Muslims you think struggle with this same sort of realization and I wonder how you think it’s accurate to view themselves as a 100% believer.

I don’t need to ask myself that question about God bc I know my short comings. I know if I get raised and learn it’s all true 100%, my deeds on Earth will be COMPLETELY different.

I really don’t consider anything about Satan bc the worst kind of people in this world to me are those that blame their failures on someone else. To me, it shows weakness of soul and character, so there’s no way I’m blaming anyone except myself when I’m in front of God.