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What convinced you the Qur'an is the word of Allaah(swt)

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Dawah can be hard, a mate of mine who talks about Islam to teachers and stuff not overly seriously doesn't think greatly in too what he says but he presents good discussion just when talking about Islam. I think that's good, just talking about Islam and not thinking too much of how to best present Islam. Because if one fails to do so, they feel annoyed. And sometimes it can become obvious when you're only talking about Islam because you want to convince someone that Islam is the way.

Like Fisherman mentioned, I think that just telling people about Islam and letting them have the decision is better. Though for me it's not saying much as I really haven't done much dawah.

What convinces me that the Qu'ran and Islam is the truth is that there are no contradictions and every accusation and insult can be refuted and also the great feeling of things like Salah and the kind nature of many muslims (though obviously not exclusive to muslims).

By the way, Woodrow, do you have a link to your story? :embarrass
 
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Dawah can be hard, a mate of mine who talks about Islam to teachers and stuff not overly seriously doesn't think greatly in too what he says but he presents good discussion just when talking about Islam. I think that's good, just talking about Islam and not thinking too much of how to best present Islam. Because if one fails to do so, they feel annoyed. And sometimes it can become obvious when you're only talking about Islam because you want to convince someone that Islam is the way.

Like Fisherman mentioned, I think that just telling people about Islam and letting them have the decision is better. Though for me it's not saying much as I really haven't done much dawah.

What convinces me that the Qu'ran and Islam is the truth is that there are no contradictions and every accusation and insult can be refuted and also the great feeling of things like Salah and the kind nature of many muslims (though obviously not exclusive to muslims).

By the way, Woodrow, do you have a link to your story? :embarrass
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since you asked I happen to have it handy:

http://www.islamicboard.com/323571-post125.html
 
What convinced you the Qur'an is the truth
for me quite simply it is the language of the Quran plus the number miracles and word repetition ... Br. Ansar had an excellent post here about the law of combinatorics:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13998-prove-quran-word-god-4.html


you can't do this stuff modern century with a computer, let alone millenniums ago, as in archive verses revealed perhaps 10~20 yrs apart to follow in syntax, meaning, rhyme, transcendence plus manage to run every aspect of politics, economics, govt. spirituality, warfare, etc. and die poor with your armor pawned to a Jew .....

When a person studies religion s/he needs to account for where everything came from and the reason why.. and whatever is left after you have exhausted all the 'logical' possibilities is the truth..

and Allah swt knows best

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I agree with what Brother Woodrow said about the youtube videos. Not as effective for dawah but an good lecture usually serves its purpose by getting a non-Muslim to at least consider reading the Qur'an and seeing the facts before his eyes, freeing himself from the business of life and fun and all the dunya and sitting down to read the Book of Allah. If they don't go out and grab a Qur'an outright, they would at least think about doing so.

To be convinced that the Qur'an is the truth you basically have to live life and then read the Qur'an and soon enough, you'll see that it is the truth. All aspects of life that people wonder about, that people question, complain about, wish that things could change and ponder on, the Qur'an addresses them. Even the most minute things that you really wouldn't think twice about.

A sister said earlier in the thread that you don't really need the Qur'an to become a Muslim. I think the Qur'an basically claims the same thing when it tells you to look at the world around you, look at all of these signs, look at the evils of the world and the goodness in the world, look at the beauty of creation and the ugliness of creation. Look at the rich and the poor, at the thief and the upright citizen, at the scam artist and the scammed. All of these and more point to what Allah is trying to convey to human beings: that there is more to life than what is before your eyes, that what you do here in this life will bring results that you may or may not like. The Qur'an tells you to use your common sense and there are so many instances in the Qur'an where one that does use his or her common sense places a hand on their forehead and goes "OH!". That epiphany, that understanding, that gaining of knowledge. It's unlike any feeling in this world.

That can only be done by a undisturbed, sound mind taking the time out and sitting with this book and actually making an effort to understand what it is trying to tell you without people bugging you about a verse or any other voices in your head from naysayers or even followers of the Qur'an. Block everything out internally and externally, read it and surely you will get it.
 
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Woodrow said:
From what I am seing in this thread is the Qur'an itself is the best Da'wah. I sort of had a feeling that too many of us have been using what we see the Evangelical Christians do.
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And as you have no doubt noticed, most of the apologetics offered by evangelical Christians really have very little ability to sway a person either. Few people will be argued or "reasoned" into a faith they don't already possess. But I have seen plenty of people loved into considering one they had never given due consideration to before by a person whose way of life provided a consistent witness to their words, and then watched God do the rest.

But, please, keep focusing on apologetics. I don't mind at all. :p
 
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Salam,
For me the time as I got to start reading the Quran in English and Swedish was very short before I converted. And when I converted of course I believed it was the word of Allah swt. So it was all combined; discussions with sisters on forum, explanations on everything I wondered, reading some special verses on Internet such as on YouTube and other pages where I could find what I searched for, then read the book form of the Quran translated to Swedish. But so well, the first time I felt it is the word of Allah swt was when I read about the prophet Mohammad's saw life and when I came to the part when he got the verses from Jibril and everything around it. First by then it was like "Hey, stupid woman, it's the words of Allah swt you're reading when you read the Quran! What took you so long realizing that!?" Still don't have the answer on the second question lol...
 
Woodrow said:
From what I am seing in this thread is the Qur'an itself is the best Da'wah. I sort of had a feeling that too many of us have been using what we see the Evangelical Christians do.

Jazakallahu Khayran to all for your very helpful input and may the knowledge you shared help my Da'wah efforts bear fruit.
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a belated Eid Mubarak, Uncle Abdullah.

i want to agree and disagree with what you said. ;D

if one has no knowledge of Arabic, nor understanding of how the Qur'an was revealed, the Qur'an can miss someone by a mile! some parts appear to make no sense and also appear contradictory. also, some of the books in English about Islam or the Qur'an have such poor translations that one can be puzzled by choice of wording or phrasing. i say this because i became a Muslim once i understood the basis of the Shariah and it's completeness was of utmost importance to myself. it was months before i began to understand the Miracle of the Qur'an along with it's revelation and preservation. [for which i am indebted to the Mufti of Zimbabwe, Ismail ibn Musa Menk, for his inspiring and informative lectures, especially, Reasons of Revelation based upon the book, Asbab un Nazool.]

on the other hand, if one was exposed to someone that has YOUR background in the Qur'an, then one might get to know of it's Beauty, Truthfulness and Wisdom at a much more rapid pace. where i am, we have many Hafz of the Qur'an who really don't understand it, nor can they explain it to others.

i know that once i began to understand Islam and the Qur'an, without even knowing Arabic, the few that offered to assist me would quickly back off and tell me that i knew more than they did!??

a Sudanese friend of mine pointed out that i would have this problem because of all the Tafseer and Islamic History i studied. i AM baffled as to why good practicing Muslims don't dive headlong into the same study.

with a little Arabic as i know, i always try to use it when explaining things about Islam to the folks that i meet. reciting an Ayah and THEN explaining it has a much better impact, as people truly understand what you are saying.

lectures by Mufti Menk along with much from Dr Bilal Philips, Yusuf Estes, Abdur Raheem Green and Dr Bahsar Shala have provided excellent points to illustrate, even to other Muslims!

what we do here also differs from what we do live as we have so many people who pretend to be our friend but are more or less wolves in sheeps clothing...

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I chose "other."

What convinced me was actually the verses in John about the Paraclete and listening to a Shi'ite Ayatullah from India explain them... I'm not Shi'a myself but his explanation was one of the first things that opened my eyes to the possibility that there could be a truth beyond the Bible that the Bible itself pointed to.

From there I began reading the Qu'ran with Tafsir [scholarly commentary], and when I read the explanation of the verses from Surat ar-Room, which prophesied with stunning accuracy the fall of the Persian Empire to Rome, I became even more convinced.

I then read some verses which talk about the Prophet Muhammad's [saas] Isra and mir'aj, and this provoked me to study Hadith and to figure out why I should trust them. My own independant study of the sciences of Hadith convinced me that Islam as a whole was the sound, natural religion with many strong evidences for it's claims to be of Divine Origin. So you could say that these 3 things, an understanding of the verses from the gospel of John about Jesus' prediction of the Paraclete to come after him, the accurate prophecies of the Qu'ran which were not vague, but very specific, and the story of the Isra and Mir'aj are what convinced me that Islam is the truth.
 
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I don't know how to answer...cause i'm so contented with islam. :hiding:

All i can answer is as i quoted one of the imam's saying (can't remember the name). "i have no problem with my religion and if you have problem with yours go and deal with it"
 
MuslimCONVERT said:
I chose "other."

What convinced me was actually the verses in John about the Paraclete and listening to a Shi'ite Ayatullah from India explain them... I'm not Shi'a myself but his explanation was one of the first things that opened my eyes to the possibility that there could be a truth beyond the Bible that the Bible itself pointed to.
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Interesting, I agree.

Were you already drawn to Islam in anyway prior to that?

I ask, because I've seen many attempts by Muslim's to reinterpret those passages as you now understand them, but I've never seen them use a good hermenuetic of the scriptures when doing so. I can actually understand how and why a person might be drawn toward Islam, but I just can't imagine the mis-identification of Muhammad as the reference for the Biblical term parakletos being the reason -- there are so many reasons that it doesn't fit, not the least of which has already been referred to that the parakletos is said to dwell within those who believe in Jesus, convicts people of their sin, and leads into relationship with Jesus.

Indeed, did you know that the term parakletos is not only used in the Gospel of John, but also in one of John's letters? There he writes: "My dear children, I write this [letter] to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one [the parakletos] who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One" (1 John 2:1).

In other words, the parakletos has the role of being one who stands between the individual and God as an intermediary, something that Muslims don't believe in, who serves as our advocate, intercessor, counselor, and guide. Muhammad (pbuh) does indeed do some of those things, but Muhammad (p) could hardly be the same as the parakletos "Jesus Christ, the Righteous One". Nor does Muhammad (p) have the capacity to fulfill the work of the parakletos of John 14:16 who is to be with Jesus' disciples "forever"; nor does he testify about Jesus as the paracletos does in John 15:26; nor does Muhammad (p) bring glory to Jesus as is also the work of the parakletos (John 16:12-14). Did the Shi'ite Ayatullah tell you that these things: bringing glory to Jesus, testifying about Jesus, being with the disciples forever, and serving as an intercessor are all part of Muhammad's work as one sent by (according to the scriptures that describe the parakletos) the Father in Jesus' name?

When, if ever, did Muhammad (p) announce himself as one sent by, not Allah, but sepcifically by the Father?

When, if ever, did Muhammad (p) reveal himself to be one sent in Jesus' name?

Is Muhammad (p) understood in Islam to be with Jesus' disciples forever?

Does Muhammad (p) bring glory to Jesus, glory of the nature that is to be offered to God alone?

These are all things that are testified to as the work of the parakletos right along with those things such as teaching and being a messenger of truth. I understand how you might identify these latter things with Muhammad (p), but unless you are prepared to say that he also did these other things I've already shown are equally the work of the parakletos, then the title just doesn't fit Muhammad (p) after all.

BTW, I'm not by this suggesting that you should therefore give up Islam and become a Christian, for I'm guessing that there were before and still are now, other things that you found to be more attractive in Islam than in Christianity. But I will suggest that if this was the primary reason that caused you to convert, that you may want to do some more soul searching to satisfy yourself with regard to the reasons you choose to stay a Muslim, as a more correct understanding of the role and function of the parakeltos of the Bible would definitely point you back toward Jesus and not away from him.
 
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Grace Seeker said:
Interesting, I agree.

Were you already drawn to Islam in anyway prior to that?

I ask, because I've seen many attempts by Muslim's to reinterpret those passages as you now understand them, but I've never seen them use a good hermenuetic of the scriptures when doing so. I can actually understand how and why a person might be drawn toward Islam, but I just can't imagine the mis-identification of Muhammad as the reference for the Biblical term parakletos being the reason -- there are so many reasons that it doesn't fit, not the least of which has already been referred to that the parakletos is said to dwell within those who believe in Jesus, convicts people of their sin, and leads into relationship with Jesus.

Indeed, did you know that the term parakletos is not only used in the Gospel of John, but also in one of John's letters? There he writes: "My dear children, I write this [letter] to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one [the parakletos] who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One" (1 John 2:1).

In other words, the parakletos has the role of being one who stands between the individual and God as an intermediary, something that Muslims don't believe in, who serves as our advocate, intercessor, counselor, and guide. Muhammad (pbuh) does indeed do some of those things, but Muhammad (p) could hardly be the same as the parakletos "Jesus Christ, the Righteous One". Nor does Muhammad (p) have the capacity to fulfill the work of the parakletos of John 14:16 who is to be with Jesus' disciples "forever"; nor does he testify about Jesus as the paracletos does in John 15:26; nor does Muhammad (p) bring glory to Jesus as is also the work of the parakletos (John 16:12-14). Did the Shi'ite Ayatullah tell you that these things: bringing glory to Jesus, testifying about Jesus, being with the disciples forever, and serving as an intercessor are all part of Muhammad's work as one sent by (according to the scriptures that describe the parakletos) the Father in Jesus' name?

When, if ever, did Muhammad (p) announce himself as one sent by, not Allah, but sepcifically by the Father?

When, if ever, did Muhammad (p) reveal himself to be one sent in Jesus' name?

Is Muhammad (p) understood in Islam to be with Jesus' disciples forever?

Does Muhammad (p) bring glory to Jesus, glory of the nature that is to be offered to God alone?

These are all things that are testified to as the work of the parakletos right along with those things such as teaching and being a messenger of truth. I understand how you might identify these latter things with Muhammad (p), but unless you are prepared to say that he also did these other things I've already shown are equally the work of the parakletos, then the title just doesn't fit Muhammad (p) after all.

BTW, I'm not by this suggesting that you should therefore give up Islam and become a Christian, for I'm guessing that there were before and still are now, other things that you found to be more attractive in Islam than in Christianity. But I will suggest that if this was the primary reason that caused you to convert, that you may want to do some more soul searching to satisfy yourself with regard to the reasons you choose to stay a Muslim, as a more correct understanding of the role and function of the parakeltos of the Bible would definitely point you back toward Jesus and not away from him.
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These two posts I wrote on the topic of why I believe the Paraclete to be Muhammad [saas], and they should address most of your points, inshallah. :D


http://www.islamicboard.com/1253359-post4.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/1253665-post10.html
 
Thank-you for the references to your prior posts.

How about my initial question: "Were you already drawn to Islam in anyway prior to that?", that is, prior to the presentation by Shi'ite Ayatullah?
 
Grace Seeker said:
Thank-you for the references to your prior posts.

How about my initial question: "Were you already drawn to Islam in anyway prior to that?", that is, prior to the presentation by Shi'ite Ayatullah?
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Only in the sense that I was drawn to a lot of faiths at that point... it occurred at a crucial juncture in my life when I was kinda researching all faiths... spent a lot of my nights reading by myself... and I was a fairly open minded person, and so I was kinda leaning toward that silly uber-liberal phase a lot of "seekers" go through, kind of a universalist perspective that all faiths are true and everyone goes to heaven... And I knew a bit about Islam at that point... -because of my research... I knew, for example, a *little* bit about the life of the Prophet Muhammad.. didn't know much about the Qu'ran though, or it's position on the Bible... so I was kinda putting some "feelers" out there around this time, which is how I came across the Shi'ite Ayatullah in the first place... but I am not sure I would say it was something I was drawn to anymore than, say, Buddhism, or Christianity... just kinda interested in everything...
 
I have a long story as well.

I was christian before converting to Islam. But I knew that my dad was muslim before, so I was asking him about Islam, the Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.), the Arabic language and the Arabic people.

He really told me many thing about these things, so I got more interested especially about Islam.

I was also asking what's different between christianity and Islam. Then he has opened my eyes, and I learnt from him what Islam is really all about, for example: Terrorism is not Islam.

Also taught me about the forbidden things in Islam, I learnt reading the Qur'an by him.

So I got to think christianity things and the Bible is not really from the God, actually that's not what the christian priests are teaching to the people.

Also in primary school I was always defending Islam and Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.). I studied in a christian primary school, they always told me 'Muhammad' did not live and he was not from the God. I never believed them, because I knew what God really gave to us by Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) that's in the Holy Qor'an.

In the summer of 2009, my dad told me he's going to convert to Islam again, so he's going to live as a muslim has to. I said that's nice. He asked me about I prefer to be a muslim than be a christian. I said yes to him.

Also on the summer my dad found old muslim friends and we met them in a mosque. It was very great, to meat muslims like us and meat foreign people, like Pakistanians, Arabics and the others.

I really love being muslim and follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) also read the Holy Qur'an.

And, I don't really like reading books, except Qor'an, The 40 Hadeeth and other Islamic books.:)
 
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I grew up in a very Islamic environment. A large practicing muslim family, went to masjid, had muslim friends etc. I also had non-muslim friends and went to a predominantly non-muslim primary/secondary school.

In short, I got the very best of both worlds so accepting Islam and the Qur'an as the truth was very easy.

Tho, if I were to pinpoint it on the basis of Qur'an, it'd would have to be commands of Allah for us i.e treating one another like brothers instead of ass-holes.

If you look at the qualities of a good friend or sibling etc, certain things come to mind: they tend to be pleasant; they tend to be respectful of others; look after themselves well (they don't have flies buzzing around them or play in cow-crap for example). All in all, they're what we universally call 'good' people.

And then by seeing that these behaviours are encouraged in a holy book it helped solidfy it in my mind: this path out of all the many others encourages us to do good - by ourselves AND others. The reward is actually 2 fold: one in the afterlife but the other in this one: doing good things makes others happy - and happiness is contagious, like smiling: if someone else smiles, you smile. And if someone else is happy, you are happy.

Of course, there were the many examples of the Prophet (saw) were he himself showed those qualities in his day to day life, so there was strong theory and practicality to the teachings.

I think in many ways it was easier as for me growing up as a muslim, because when you're young everything is nice and rosey - it wasn't a rare sight to see people being good (and I think growing up in an Islamic environment helped quite a bit).

Unfortunately, that no longer seems to be the case. ''Please'', ''thank you's'' and generally just helping someone (for nothing in return) are rare to see - to such an extent that when they do happen, it's like a complete shock.

I'll give an example: I was in pizza hut one day (I had a spicy vegetarian for those wanting to know!) and due to the size of the cue and the narrowness of the entrance, I was ''blocking'' the entrance/exit door. Now, there was a mother with a pram trying to get out and struggling (because of the situation).

So me being me, with back against the door, pushed the door open and held it there so she could get out (note: I did this as soon as I saw her and the pram but she hadn't made eye-contact or spoken with me yet). Yeah nothing special really - I opened a freakin door, but she was very greatful for it - there was something about her facial expression as if this was the first time anyone had ever done this and previously she would have had to ask someone (after struggling for 10 minutes) or ram the door in etc.

I don't know, it just seemed weird: she didn't have to say thank you like that - I only opened a door for her really (if I took a bullet for her or intercepted a mugger, then heck yeah!). Don't get me wrong, I appreciate any and all compliments I get, it's just a shame that noone else in the cue thought to do anything.

On a seperate occasion this time at ASDA I wasn't successful. Again, another mother with her kid but this time she was struggling with the trolley. I was packing my own bags at the time but could clearly see she was struggling. I would have helped her but we had to go (it was quite late so I was physically and mentally tired). I felt absolutely terrible - still do: she was right there and I didn't do a thing to help her when I could. Granted, it's nothing too serious - she wasn't being mugged or anything but still, principles isn't it?

So I kind of vowed to myself not to let that happen again: if I am there and can do something, I will do something - no more hesitation. And I'm glad that the path I follow encourages that.

Anyway, I'm gonna go play modern warfare 2.
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^^^ you're right...in a very islamic family and friendship...they are very polite, respectful and nice. even the children. Thats why i love being friends and near to them :)
 

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