Polyandry

[Whatsthepoint]

If we examine the origin and not merely communication of venereal diseases, we find that they originate from a woman being sexually visited by more than one man.

Do you have proof for this? I've never heard this before in my life (and I've studies STD's/STI's a fair bit).

I've never heard it before either, imo it's totally absurd. I wonder who comes up with all this?

 

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You agree that polygyny also should be banned?

:salamext:

Yeh.

 

[Malaikah]

The same. No amount of excuses can convince the majority, marrying more than one woman is anything less than sexual urges of the so called men in question! - It's to be BANNED! :raging:

This is ignorance. Historically polygamy has been essential for humans and for the welfare of women, not just to satisfy the urges of men. Especially in times were work was hard and dangerous labour and men would die much more than women, leaving their wives alone, and many times with children. They couldn't work because, firstly, the work force was male dominated and secondly because the work was not suitable for women in the first place. It was therefore very important for the welfare of such women that polygamy be practised, otherwise they would have no one to take care of them.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

This is ignorance. Historically polygamy has been essential for humans and for the welfare of women, not just to satisfy the urges of men. Especially in times were work was hard and dangerous labour and men would die much more than women, leaving their wives alone, and many times with children. They couldn't work because, firstly, the work force was male dominated and secondly because the work was not suitable for women in the first place. It was therefore very important for the welfare of such women that polygamy be practised, otherwise they would have no one to take care of them.

We have discussed this so many times. And we have different opinions. This is something I won't budge over, and neither will you (and those that are in favour) Lets agree to disagree. :statisfie

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh (The Pure Ones belong to God, Victory belongs to God)

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

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I agree.

what? i disagree...(regarding polygyny i mean).:sunny: how come you think so?

 

[barney]

Bismillah

:salamext:

I have been researching alot lately regarding the topic of polyandry (allowing a women to marry more than one partner), and to why Islam prohibits it.

One of the obvious reasons is that the father can't be identified, I have also heard that when a women has more than on partner she is more prone to catch STD (even if they are all faithfull to eachother).

Now i have been looking to confirm this, but I cant find a solid statement that confimrs this. So I was wondering if any one you guys/girls can make me any brighter concerning this.

Thanks

:wasalamex

If everyone is faithful to the other it dosnt matter who has the polymarrage. It's entirely down to previous sexual history.

Men are just as likely to catch a STD. Thats just farcical.

 

[*Hana*]

Originally Posted by RighteousLady
If we examine the origin and not merely communication of venereal diseases, we find that they originate from a woman being sexually visited by more than one man.

Salam Alaikum:

Sister, I'm not sure where you found this information or who provided, but it is not accurate. If there were 100 men and 100 women in a community and all were sexually active with the other, as long as all were STD free from the beginning, no one will suddenly develop STD or spontaneously erupt in disease. The STD has to be introduced by an infected person.

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana

 

[Azy]

In the modern day there is no convincing reason for one to be chosen over the other. There are plenty of men and women who spend there entire lives single, childless and happy.
Even if the situation arose where a woman needed support from a man who was already married, why would she have to marry him, or even live with him? Is it not possible to extend help to the community if you are not legally bound to do so?

 

[Umar001]

I don't understand why do some feel that they need to tell everyone that they feel this should be banned and that should be this etc.

I don't think the topic is, 'do you think ... should be banned?'

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I don't understand why do some feel that they need to tell everyone that they feel this should be banned and that should be this etc.

I don't think the topic is, 'do you think ... should be banned?'

One has to advise on a wrong practice.

 

[Mikayeel]

One has to be carefull what he calls a wrong practice.

Sister AhLÄÄM why do you want it banned? Whilst its clearly permitted in the quran?

 

[sur]

Bismillah

:salamext:

I have been researching alot lately regarding the topic of polyandry (allowing a women to marry more than one partner), and to why Islam prohibits it.

One of the obvious reasons is that the father can't be identified, I have also heard that when a women has more than on partner she is more prone to catch STD (even if they are all faithfull to eachother).

Now i have been looking to confirm this, but I cant find a solid statement that confimrs this. So I was wondering if any one you guys/girls can make me any brighter concerning this.

Thanks

:wasalamex

similar thing discussed before:-
http://www.islamicboard.com/893917-post5.html

Can I try and answer this as a non-muslim who has often had this conversation with muslims? Also, as a bit of a feminist, some of these issues are quite dear to me. Here goes...

Equality does not mean that they are the same in every single aspect.

I always thought that they are equal, but in different ways. Men and women can (generally) do the same things, but in some cases, one gender can be better suited to carry out certain actions than the other. We are created equally, but complimentary to one another, as a team, we work better. It's a hard concept to explain. For example, even though women can train very hard to gain physical strength, men will be physically stronger if they put in the same effort. This doesn't mean some women aren't stronger than some men, but men and women's bodies are built differently.

As for the wife question, I have often wondered myself. There may be a few reasons. Here are some I have come up with:
Often men are the main breadwinners in the family (due to biological reasons: women cannot usually work for the entirety of their pregnancy and time to recover is needed. This can often affect you job/career and money coming in). So for a woman to have 1,2,3, etc husbands, it would put a lot of stress on her both biologically (constant pregnancies), socially (take care of children) and professionally (if she is often pregnant, then there is no time for work and money making). Men don't have to take time away from work when their family expands.
More along the line of biology, the survival of the species depends on procreation. The easiest way to procreate is to have a higher female:male ratio. It's basic biology and reproduction.
More on the social side: again, back to the breadwinner theory: Even though in many societies, women can and do work, in other societies it is not as readily accepted (now as was in the past). It can sometimes be very difficult for a woman to survive on her own if she is single, and even more if she is widowed. The situation in some countries is so bad that women have to resort to prostitution just to be able to feed their children. Marriage can be an option to alleviate this situation.

I hope I made some sense.

http://www.islamicboard.com/894348-post10.html

I'd like to add little more on WHY men can/want-to marry >1:-

"sexual DESIRE" also called 'Libido" is directly proportional to "Testosterone" level in BOTH males & females. So female sexual desire is also dependant on testosterone(male hormone) & NOT on estrogen/progesterone(female hormones).
Testosterone-Patches & sprays r available for frigid FEMALEs with decreased Libido problems.& Testosterone is also called Female Viagra.


Testosterone level Ranges:
Males:300-1000 ng/dl
Females:20-80 ng/dl


Suppose If a male has minimum level(300) within normal range & a female has Max. level(80) within normal range, even then the ratio will be almost 4:1 So a weakest-normal male has 4 times the desire to have sex than a strongest-normal female & that is why creator of all males & females has permitted 4 marriages for males.

While if both have average levels then male:female is 10-15 times. So an average male has 10-15 times more desire to have sex than an av female.

as far as STDs r concerned, i think that does NOT hold ground....

 

[Malaikah]

Even if the situation arose where a woman needed support from a man who was already married, why would she have to marry him, or even live with him? Is it not possible to extend help to the community if you are not legally bound to do so?

Because a husband can support her in a many ways a stranger never can - especially emotionally.

 

[aamirsaab]

The Quran allows polyandery in certain circumstances because it is neccessary at certain times and had been through certain points in history. One of those circumstances where it is allowed relates to orphans and who will parent them.

The ruling has very little to do with sexual desires. It is for certain circumstances only.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

a very good reply.

I'd like to add little more on WHY men can/want-to marry >1:-

"sexual DESIRE" also called 'Libido" is directly proportional to "Testosterone" level in BOTH males & females. So female sexual desire is also dependant on testosterone(male hormone) & NOT on estrogen/progesterone(female hormones).
Testosterone-Patches & sprays r available for frigid FEMALEs with decreased Libido problems.& Testosterone is also called Female Viagra.


Testosterone level Ranges:
Males:300-1000 ng/dl
Females:20-80 ng/dl


Suppose If a male has minimum level(300) within normal range & a female has Max. level(80) within normal range, even then the ratio will be almost 4:1 So a weakest-normal male has 4 times the desire to have sex than a strongest-normal female & that is why creator of all males & females has permitted 4 marriages for males.

While if both have average levels then male:female is 10-15 times. So an average male has 10-15 times more desire to have sex than an av female.

Where exactly did you get your information from?
Let's suppose your findings are true... What should a man with 1000 ng of testosterone per dl do if he marries 4 women each having 20ng/dl? He'd be 12,5 times hornier than all of his wifes combined.

 

[barney]

Because a husband can support her in a many ways a stranger never can - especially emotionally.

Does the actual act of marriage, if it is without love, as countless marriages are, mean a man can support a woman better? Methinks not.

 

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[IbnAbdulHakim]

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Coz I just do. My choice.

if your a muslimah then you accept EVERY WORD OF THE QURAN! rejecting one single word leads to KUFR!

think twice next time you post something so serious!


Assalamu Alaikum

If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

CHRIST calm down will u

ahem

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ok sis i think you should seriously take a step back and breathe and think.

seek refuge in Allaah