Pope Muslim Baptism Raises Eyebrows

^ and its always growing. im a muslim by choice, as is every member of this forum and most other forums. As is every friend i know :)
 
what do you mean muslim by choise? Convert? Practicing by choice?...?

i could drink alcohol , go with girls or do whatever i want. theres no one watching my outside my home but i reflected over my religion carefully and i believe it to be the truth :)
 
Islam's goal is to conquer and colonize Europe. Muslims are trying to do this since the beginning of their religion (few years after Muhammed's death muslims attacked southern Italy). But always there were great christian heroes who managed to stop them, for example Charles Martel, Pelayo, or Jan III Sobieski. As one sheik said in Germany few years ago-"We conquered Constantinople and we will conquer Rome as well". Nowadays there are just a few brave men who realize this and even less those who try to do something about this.

you do realize that europe was not always christian, don't you?
when you say "islam's goal etc" - what are you talking about? there is no caliphate. what "islam" has the goal of colonizing europe???
 
This incident is a chance for Benedict to show how isolated and out of touch the catholic church is, or at least the vatican.
Its also a focal point for muslims to rage against apostacy and for the west to tut-tut and become more firmly entrenched in their veiws on Islam.

Evryones a loser.
 
you do realize that europe was not always christian, don't you?

Yes, as a student of history I realize that Europe wasnt always christian, but what has it to do with what i said? Besides, after Muhammed's death msot of Western Europe was already christian.
when you say "islam's goal etc" - what are you talking about? there is no caliphate. what "islam" has the goal of colonizing europe???

There is no caliphate, but there are Saudi princess sleeping on trillions of dollars,there are groups like Muslim Brotherhood and others who knows history and know that in Quaran there is prohpecy about the conquest of Rome. They know about it just like knew it Arabs and Berbers conquering Spain and Portugal, and just like knew it Turks marching towards Vienna in 1619 and in 1685. And only because the open wars arent hapenning now, it doesnt mean that their plan is delayed.
 
^ when our beloved prophet ISA alaihissalaam comes, this whole world will be under islaam obeying only one lord living in peace :)

Ooooooh really....?

Even Sikhs? I find that difficult to believe. Though our Religion mentions 'Kuaar Hoye Sab Milenghe Hum, Bache Jo Charan Hoi' - The Pure Ones That Survive Shall Meet Again.

Though we believe in the one Lord already!
 
I think that pope is a wise man and he just showed something that many knows but they are afraid to admit - that the only way to save Europe from Islam's conquest is christianity.

Did the Muslims kill the indeginious poppulation of Spain, Australia and America?

It is true that the Muslims given power will enforce the Laws of Allah(SWT) on land.
Muslims are too tolerant, that is the problem, if the Muslims wished they could have had the world by now. Historians have quoted that the biggest mistake Sallahuddin Ayubbi(RA) made was to let the crusaders live after defeating them in numerous battles.
 
Did the Muslims kill the indeginious poppulation of Spain, Australia and America?

It is true that the Muslims given power will enforce the Laws of Allah(SWT) on land.
Muslims are too tolerant, that is the problem, if the Muslims wished they could have had the world by now. Historians have quoted that the biggest mistake Sallahuddin Ayubbi(RA) made was to let the crusaders live after defeating them in numerous battles.

The Mughals did a pretty **** good job in india to eradicate the Sikhs! - Though then we were in our thousands, but we flourished into our millions! - You can't kill those that have the protection of Allah upon them! :D
 
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Scholar denounces Muslim baptism

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A Muslim scholar involved in high-level dialogue with the Vatican has denounced the Pope's baptism on Saturday of a prominent Italian Muslim convert.

Aref Ali Nayed, the head of Jordan's Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Centre, called the baptism of journalist Magdi Allam a deliberate and provocative act.

The Vatican has not yet commented, but its official newspaper said the gesture aimed to promote religious freedom.

The Pope traditionally baptises adult converts to Catholicism on Easter eve.

Mr Allam's invitation to the ceremony, which took place in St Peter's Basilica, was however kept secret by the Vatican, until just before the Easter vigil mass.

The Egyptian-born Italian TV and newspaper commentator has been an outspoken critic of Islamist militancy and a strong supporter of Israel.

He says such controversial views and his conversion to Christianity have provoked threats on his life, and he is now protected by a police escort.

'Triumphalist tool'

In a stinging rebuke of Saturday's televised ceremony, Mr Nayed denounced what he called "the Vatican's deliberate and provocative act of baptising Allam on such a special occasion and in such a spectacular way".

"It is sad that the intimate and personal act of a religious conversion is made into a triumphalist tool for scoring points," he said in a written statement.

Mr Nayed said Pope Benedict XVI's actions came "at a most unfortunate time when sincere Muslims and Catholics are working very hard to mend ruptures between the two communities".

The Jordanian scholar has been at the forefront of an initiative gathering more than 130 Muslim scholars who recently wrote to the Pope and other Christian leaders calling for greater dialogue and good will between Muslims and Christians.

The Vatican has also been keen to repair relations with moderate Muslims, particularly after the crisis caused by a speech the Pope gave in Germany in 2006, in which he appeared to associate Islam with violence.

But Mr Nayed added that despite the Vatican's actions, the initiative for dialogue to improve relations would continue.

"Our basis for dialogue is not a tit-for-tat logic of 'reciprocity' but a compassionate theology of mending," he wrote.

The Vatican has not yet commented on the criticism, but its official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano on Tuesday denied that the ceremony had been intentionally inflammatory, noting that it had not been publicised in advance.

The newspaper wrote that the baptism had been a papal "gesture" without hostile intentions aimed at stressing "in a gentle and clear way, religious freedom".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7313870.stm
 
If Muslims are supposed to conquer Rome I'm afraid the Visigoths and their other wild haired friends already beat them to it...after it was already falling apart anyway of course...:)

Not being a Catholic, I don't really see what the big deal is. So a former Muslim converted to Catholicism. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. If its about the spectacle of it...well, Muslims get pretty excited on a message forum when they hear of some former Christian converting to Islam.
 
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I've just read throught the whole thread - can someone explain the first post in english?! The pope coverted from islaam to Christianity?

help :(
 
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hun, i havnt read the whole thingee, but even if he was an apostate i reckon the whole reason why he done the babtizing thingee was to stirr trouble amoungst the muslims..if thats the case, go figure *rolls eyes*
 

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