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We judge by what is apparent. If a person does not mean what he has said or actually holds other beliefs contrary to what he has made public, then that is between him and Allaah Ta`aalaa, and he will be dealt with accordingly in the Aakhirah. But in this Dunyaa, if a person publicly comes out and says, for example, that eating pork is permissible, then we will judge him by what he himself has said.

It is not our duty to get in contact with this man. What we say is that, the apparent words and statements which he has made are in direct conflict with the Deen of Islaam, as has been pointed out.

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Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
We judge by what is apparent.
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we... judge?

Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
If a person does not mean what he has said or actually holds other beliefs contrary to what he has made public, then that is between him and Allaah Ta`aalaa, and he will be dealt with accordingly in the Aakhirah. But in this Dunyaa, if a person publicly comes out and says, for example, that eating pork is permissible, then we will judge him by what he himself has said.
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I agree with this, but i've been watching Sh Hamza Yusuf Hansen now for many years and I understand that when he mentions Jihad e Akbar (The Great Struggle), this is the internal struggle one faces - not the self defence struggle or lesser Jihad as it is known.

And I believe Shaikh Hamza Yusuf Hansen is 100% correct in educating western Muslims about this nuance.

I noticed that you wrote regarding Shaikh Hamza Yusuf explaining Jihad e Akbar but you failed to mention this in your own terms as well... so from you, here, we also get only half the pie.

Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
It is not our duty to get in contact with this man. What we say is that, the apparent words and statements which he has made are in direct conflict with the Deen of Islaam, as has been pointed out.

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Nope... not to me.

I can understand and appreciate the context he delivers, and I do not see him contradicting the Qur'an or Sunnah by his statement.

Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
He said:

03:25 CD 6-7:

"…people that love to fight are pathologically unwell. They are sick people, there are people like that!"

Now compare this statement of his with what Allaah Ta`aalaa says in the Qur'aan:

"Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your friends; the wealth that you have gained; the commerce in which you fear a decline: or the dwellings in which you delight - are more beloved to you than Allaah and His Rasool, and Jihaad (physically fighting) in His Path - then wait until Allaah brings about His Decision (i.e. `Adhaab): and Allaah guides not the Faasiqoon (transgressing, rebellious sinners)."
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He's saying those of us who LIKE to fight... not those of us who are necessitated to fight in the way of Allah - there is a clear difference brother Huzaifah.

Those who like to fight = troublemakers

Those who do not like to fight even though it is good for them = believers.

Nuance... sharpen it dear bro. Else we slander a good mans intent in these troubling times of confusions.

It's not like we can cut open his heart to see what it contains - best we take the good and be patient with that which we remain unsure of.

Wassalaam

Scimi
 
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The narration he quotes about Jihaad-e-Nafs being the greater Jihaad; the Muhaddithoon (Hadeeth Masters) have said it is a fabrication (Mawdhoo`), while other have said it is very weak and unreliable (Dha`eef). Hence, it should not be quoted. The narration says, "We have returned from the lesser Jihaad to the greater Jihaad."

In fact, even logically a person can understand that fighting on the battlefield is the greater Jihaad, because how would that person have brought himself to the battlefield to fight if had not fought his Nafs and made the decision to sacrifice the Dunyaa and its pleasures to fight and die for Allaah Ta`aalaa? Jihaad of the Nafs goes hand-in-hand with Jihaad bil-Qitaal. The greatest place to do Jihaad of the Nafs is on the battlefield.
 
Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
The narration he quotes about Jihaad-e-Nafs being the greater Jihaad; the Muhaddithoon (Hadeeth Masters) have said it is a fabrication (Mawdhoo`), while other have said it is very weak and unreliable (Dha`eef). Hence, it should not be quoted. The narration says, "We have returned from the lesser Jihaad to the greater Jihaad."

In fact, even logically a person can understand that fighting on the battlefield is the greater Jihaad, because how would that person have brought himself to the battlefield to fight if had not fought his Nafs and made the decision to sacrifice the Dunyaa and its pleasures to fight and die for Allaah Ta`aalaa? Jihaad of the Nafs goes hand-in-hand with Jihaad bil-Qitaal. The greatest place to do Jihaad of the Nafs is on the battlefield.
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In times when carrying a sword was the norm, and chopping heads off for merely offending a man - fighting with a sword would have been the easier thing to do than to take note of what filth the heart entertains, no?

And times, have changed, yet the human condition remains the same.

How do you respond to such anthropological truths regarding the time when the Prophet pbuh and his companions RA were alive?

was it difficult for Umar RA to unsheath his sword and offer to kill a man for merely offending the Prophet pbuh?

I can cite a number of examples when swords were drawn over petty matters... makes your point weak brother Huzaifah.

Scimi
 
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Scimitar said:
In times when carrying a sword was the norm, and chopping heads off for merely offending a man - fighting with a sword would have been the easier thing to do than to take note of what filth the heart entertains, no?

And times, have changed, yet the human condition remains the same.

How do you respond to such anthropological truths regarding the time when the Prophet pbuh and his companions RA were alive?

was it difficult for Uma RA to unsheath his sword and offer to kill a man for merely offending the Prophet pbuh?

I can cite a number of examples when swords were drawn over petty matters... makes your point weak brother Huzaifah.

Scimi
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Bhai, you know as well as I do that Jihaad isn't just about chopping off heads; it's about dying. We ourselves. We, who fight. We get killed. That is Jihaad, even if not a single head of any person is chopped off. If a person just sets foot on the battlefield and is killed at that instant, he is a Mujaahid and a Shaheed, even though he never killed anyone.

Thus, Jihaad was not easier for the people of those times and nor is it easier for the people of today. The people of those times (excluding Sahaabah-e-Kiraam) didn't want to die, and people of today have an ever greater hatred of death. THAT is what makes Jihaad difficult for people. It's not the killing that makes it difficult and disliked by people, bhai; it's the dying. And that hasn't changed.

That is what makes it the Greater Jihaad. That the person has made the ultimate sacrifice. He has given up his life for Allaah Ta`aalaa.
 
Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
With regards to that narration, see the following:

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?195271-A-Fabricated-Hadeeth-Greater-amp-Lesser-Jihad
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I see your hand, and raise you with mine :D

https://islamqa.info/en/10455

Praise be to Allaah.It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), said to his companions when they returned from a military campaign, “We have come back from the lesser jihaad to the greater jihaad.” They said, “Is there any greater jihaad than jihaad against the kuffaar?” he said, “Yes, jihaad al-nafs (jihaad against the self).”

This hadeeth is not saheeh.

Undoubtedly jihaad against the self comes before jihaad against the kuffaar, because one cannot strive against the kuffaar until after one has striven against one’s own self, because fighting is something which the self dislikes. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Jihaad (holy fighting in Allaah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know”[al-Baqarah 2:216]

The point is that jihaad against the enemy cannot take place until one strives and forces oneself to do it, until one’s self submits and accepts that.

Fataawa Manaar al-Islam by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), 2/421 Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Jihaad is of four stages: jihaad al-nafs (striving against the self), jihaad al-shayaateen (striving against the shayaateen or devils), jihaad al-kuffaar (striving against the disbelievers) and jihaad al-munaafiqeen (striving against the hypocrites). Jihaad al-nafs means striving to make oneself learn true guidance, and to follow it after coming to know it, calling others to it, and bearing with patience the difficulties of calling others to Allaah. Jihaad al-Shaytaan means striving against him and warding off the doubts and desires that he throws at a person, and the doubts that undermine faith, and striving against the corrupt desires that he tries to inspire in a person. Jihaad against the kuffaar and munaafiqeen is done in the heart and on the tongue, with one’s wealth and oneself. Jihaad against the kuffaar mostly takes the form of physical action, and jihaad against the munaafiqeen mostly takes the form of words… The most perfect of people are those who have completed all the stages of jihaad.

People vary in their status before Allaah according to their status in jihaad.”(Zaad al-Ma’aad 3/9-12) And Allaah knows best.

Scimi
 
Bhai, you're quoting Shaykh Munajjid. You know who he is? A Salafi scholar. He is defending what I'm saying. He is negating the "lesser Jihad" narration. It is understandable that you would get confused by his Fatwaa, because you are not aware of his `Aqeedah. He believes that fighting on the battlefield is the Greater Jihaad. He is saying that every person who fights has of course done Jihaad of the Nafs in order to get there. His decision to sacrifice the Dunyaa to go there was his "Jihaad of the Nafs".
 
Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
Bhai, you know as well as I do that Jihaad isn't just about chopping off heads; it's about dying. We ourselves. We, who fight. We get killed. That is Jihaad, even if not a single head of any person is chopped off. If a person just sets foot on the battlefield and is killed at that instant, he is a Mujaahid and a Shaheed, even though he never killed anyone.

Thus, Jihaad was not easier for the people of those times and nor is it easier for the people of today. The people of those times (excluding Sahaabah-e-Kiraam) didn't want to die, and people of today have an ever greater hatred of death. THAT is what makes Jihaad difficult for people. It's not the killing that makes it difficult and disliked by people, bhai; it's the dying. And that hasn't changed.

That is what makes it the Greater Jihaad. That the person has made the ultimate sacrifice. He has given up his life for Allaah Ta`aalaa.
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I agree, but anyone who goes to war entertains the idea that they may be killed while they intend to kill others - can't take one without the other.

Point i'm making is the same as what IslamQA promote - there are many struggles we face as Muslims, and we should check the state of our hearts before we can even entertain the idea of physical war against an armed enemy.

I am reminded of the time when Hazrat Ali RA was in Jihad on the field and an enemy combatant spat at him and Ali decided not to finish him off because he would have killed him out of anger from his "self" and not for the justice which Allah ordains...

...Point being is this - we as Muslims, have a LOOOOOONG way to go before we can even allow ourselves to entertain such foolish thoughts like "war jihad".

And so, when Shaikh Hamza Yusuf explains that "…people that love to fight are pathologically unwell. They are sick people, there are people like that!" I can wholly agree with him, because I can appreciate "nuance".

Scimi
 
salaam

I'll have to admit that Hamza Yusuf has been a huge influence on me, Zaid Shakir as well. There videos are good. You can find a lot of them on Youtube.

peace
 
No, that is not what IslamQA is promoting. Shaykh al-Munajjid is a scholar who knows that when something becomes Fardh, there is no "checking the state of the heart" before doing it. It has to be done immediately. If a person has the money and ability to go on Hajj, it becomes Fardh upon him immediately. He can't say that he's going to first "check the state of his heart" before he goes on Hajj.

Also, people who say that you must first purify your Nafs before going on Jihaad:

This is a fallacy. It's stipulating an impossible condition with the deliberate intention of stopping something. It's like a person saying, "I'll give a Bayaan in a Masjid the day pigs grow wings and fly." You know that's not going to happen, so you make up a condition like that.

Now, anyone who has studied `Ilm-ut-Tasawwuf knows that Islaah-e-Nafs and Jihaad against the Nafs is lifelong; it never ends until the day you die. So to say a person can only go for Jihaad after he has done Islaah of the Nafs is asking for something that is impossible; the person will continue doing Islaah of his Nafs till the day he leaves this Dunyaa. If Islaah of the Nafs had been a condition for Jihaad fee Sabeelillaah, no Jihaad would ever have taken place on this Dunyaa, because no one had achieved complete purity of the Nafs before doing so. Even in the time of Sahaabah-e-Kiraam, there was a Sahaabi who fought in Jihaad and yet fell into drinking Khamr at one occasion, and was given the Shar`i punishment for it.

IslamQA is not promoting the idea that a person must first do Islaah of his Nafs before going in Jihaad. He is saying, if you read the original Arabic text and understand the Siyaaq and Sabaaq of the Kalaam, that a person's going out in Jihaad is Islaah of the Nafs. That in itself is Jihaad against the Nafs. Like we mentioned, Jihaad against the Nafs and Jihaad on the battlefield go hand-in-hand.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect

...because thats how it works most the time.

as for physical jihad..

the number of war refugees at present is.. a lot..

maybe one day they can go back home and say this is the land where i lived...

its a field now.

...but thats ok because im from a farming family..

or something like that.


O_O ...i dont know how well prepared for war any faction or its members are.

or how level the playing field is.

but i would say that if you ever fight in your own home.. you would be careful of the furniture.

or not..


monday morning clarity.


all the forms of jihad need to be understood and practised before any physical jihad is undertaken.. if ever.


or as i say.. and you can quote me..


"most battles are won and lost a long time before any battlefield is reached."
 
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Kiro, search YouTube for them lol, that's what it's there for

this is not a media platform, but one for discussion.

its called a "forum" lol

Scimi
 
Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
No, that is not what IslamQA is promoting. Shaykh al-Munajjid is a scholar who knows that when something becomes Fardh, there is no "checking the state of the heart" before doing it. It has to be done immediately....
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In the case of war jihad - don't we need an emir? khaliph? else we be like, tyrants ourselves right?

Where is our khaliph? How do we justify it today?

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
Kiro, search YouTube for them lol, that's what it's there for

this is not a media platform, but one for discussion.

its called a "forum" lol

Scimi
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Be a nice neighbor Scim

you might have found something I might like so share
 
Scimitar said:
In the case of war jihad - don't we need an emir? khaliph? else we be like, tyrants ourselves right?

Where is our khaliph? How do we justify it today?

Scimi
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...personal responsibility.

until it is taken away..

if we have the luxury of not being under duress we should at least appreciate it.

starfleet command is 1400 lightyears away.

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