Practising Christians

[sameer]

lol babies... im delivering twins (freaked out!!)

i dont know what the church classifies as an act of worship... but i know the vatican makes a difference between acts of worship, commitment, devotion, adoration and veneration

wow...congrats!


hmm I think u should really find out what is classified as an act of worship....beacuse dont u need to know what to do if u want to really worshiping God? I assume worshipping would take precedence over the rest?

Maybe someone else can explain the terms and the differences?

 

[Jayda]

Gracias,

lol well... i do everything im supposed to when im supposed to for the purpose of pleasing God and reflecting on him, so i dont think it really matters if i know how the vatican classifies it while im doing it...

 

[sameer]

Gracias,

lol well... i do everything im supposed to when im supposed to for the purpose of pleasing God and reflecting on him, so i dont think it really matters if i know how the vatican classifies it while im doing it...

so dont u wanna know if ure actually "worshiping" God ? suppose ure doing something thats not the reccomended way by Jesus? or the holy spirit?

 

[Jayda]

so dont u wanna know if ure actually "worshiping" God ? suppose ure doing something thats not the reccomended way by Jesus? or the holy spirit?

Here is what the Church says about worship.

And this is from the Catholic encyclopedia

The word worship (Saxon weorthscipe, "honour"; from worth, meaning "value", "dignity", "price", and the termination, ship; Lat. cultus) in its most general sense is homage paid to a person or a thing. In this sense we may speak of hero-worship, worship of the emperor, of demons, of the angels, even of relics, and especially of the Cross. This article will deal with Christian worship according to the following definition: homage paid to God, to Jesus Christ, to His saints, to the beings or even to the objects which have a special relation to God.

There are several degrees of this worship:

if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.

When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).

As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).

Worship is about who you are worshipping not how you are worshipping, obviously there is an attachment about the 'how' that you cant break God's laws to worship him... so yes i do care if i am doing something that goes against God's laws, however that is mostly common sense.

 

[Tania]

lol babies... im delivering twins (freaked out!!)

i dont know what the church classifies as an act of worship... but i know the vatican makes a difference between acts of worship, commitment, devotion, adoration and veneration

Adoration is for God
Devotion toward Mary
Veneration of Holy images

 

[sameer]

Here is what the Church says about worship.

And this is from the Catholic encyclopedia



Worship is about who you are worshipping not how you are worshipping, obviously there is an attachment about the 'how' that you cant break God's laws to worship him... so yes i do care if i am doing something that goes against God's laws, however that is mostly common sense.

I see. SO there are no specific ways of worship except probaly direct praying? eg saying grace etc?
In the same way...fasting to please God isnt worship? I know someone said it was commitment......but its hard to diffreciate .

 

[Jayda]

I see. SO there are no specific ways of worship except probaly direct praying? eg saying grace etc?
In the same way...fasting to please God isnt worship? I know someone said it was commitment......but its hard to diffreciate .

i dont know if fasting is worship or commitment... i think i already said i didnt know..

 

[Mohsin]

Would it be sinful according to the church to have sex out of marriage, or go do things like clubbing etc

 

[duskiness]

Would it be sinful according to the church to have sex out of marriage

yes, it's consideres a sin against "You shall not commit adultery." (6 commandment). Lust is also considered sin: "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery '.But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5;27)

or go do things like clubbing etc

I think not. overdosing alcohol, taking drugs - yes. But dancing, drinking (a bit) with your friends - no.
on the other hand i know someone who considers dancing sinful....he is protestant
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[sameer]

yes, it's consideres a sin against "You shall not commit adultery." (6 commandment). Lust is also considered sin: "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery '.But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5;27)

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whats the best way to aviod ure self from geting into such a situation?

 

[north_malaysian]

no, you're not alone. Not sure but it seems that Eric is also.
We have Protestants, Catholics here...now we need to find Orthodox
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Lebanese maronites are catholics too arent they? But why their priests can have wife and children?

I've seen Egyptian Coptic mass (i think it's Christmas mass on January) live on ART. They sings like Malaysian Muslims singing Barzanji in weddings or newborn celebrations.

 

[E'jaazi]

The Christianity that is practiced today is not the same as it was back then. Remember, Isa and his disciples were JEWS! They did not start a new religion, but the disciples were called Christians because they were being mocked at for being followers of Christ. Christianity was really started by Paul, whom the disciples distanced themselves away from because his teachings were contrary to the teachings of Isa. Still in fact, that Christianity is very different from what you see today.

 

[duskiness]

Lebanese maronites are catholics too arent they?

yes

But why their priests can have wife and children?

Catholic Church is divided into so calles Western rite church (the "typical" Catholc Church) and Eastern rite Churches (22, Maronite among them). celibacy for all prists is a rule only in Western rite church.
list of Eastern rite Churches

I've seen Egyptian Coptic mass (i think it's Christmas mass on January) live on ART. They sings like Malaysian Muslims singing Barzanji in weddings or newborn celebrations.

hard to comment on that because i have never heard how Malaysian Muslim sing
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ad your sig. i have already visited Malaysia on 26 XII 04 i landed on Langkawi. but that wasn't the best time to see Malaysia

 

[ZOREENA]

If Muslims care about the Qu'ran, the how come there are people blowing themselves and others up in the name of Islam? Because they are not true Muslims.

My own personal view is that there shouldnt be practicing homosexuals appointed as priests, anymore than so-called Muslims who defile their religion by blowing themselves and others up in the name of Islam.

Some people claim to be Christians and are not. By doing so they disrepect the religion they claim to uphold. Some people claim to be Muslim and they are not. By doing so they disrespect the religion they claim to uphold. There are bad examples in all religions.

I do not think that all the people who claim to be Christians truly follow their religion and laws. Though many do, sadly the minority give Christianity a bad name. In exactly the same way not all that people who claim to be Muslims (in fact insert ANY religion here) truly follow their religion and laws. Though many do, sadly a minority give Islam a bad name.

HTH
Peace
CG

Yes well said, just because one does it or dont do it, dont mean thatz how the religion workz, it really miffz me that people make a general statement and tar everyone with the same brush, if a Christian dont do summat dont mean they all dont or if one drinkz as somone ignorant sayz, dont mean they are all like that! Itz the same with culturez, people think the Irish are all drinkerz, fighterz, and messerz, but I can assure you, that not all are like that!! Prejudice is BAD BAD BAD!! I could go on forever!!People need to grow up and wise up, and not just follow suit and believe what they are told or hear, parentz instill this in their children, their ignornce and rudeness!!FROM ALL RELIGIONZ AND CULTUREZ!:hiding:

There are many muslimz that drink etc, and other religionz or people say, ooo sure they are out drinking and chatting up the girlz, soooooo what, they aint me and they aint representing Islam and vice versa with all religionz!!

I have an Issue with TURKISH people tho, not all of them, the ones that are working in the hotelz etc, I alwayz thought when people told me that they were 'Pervz' etc that that was a general prejudice, but really, nearly every single one of them whilst I was on holiday a while back, swatmed round us, they drink 24/7 and they just seem to be 'not the full schilling' as it were, I must say, from what I seen in the industrialised side of Turkey, they are more Westernised than the West!!

 

[duskiness]

The Christianity that is practiced today is not the same as it was back then. .

in a way your right. word has changed a chrisianity also. our theology, liturgy developed. But the core is intacked (i know that you disagree here)

Remember, Isa and his disciples were JEWS!

yes, i know

but the disciples were called Christians because they were being mocked at for being followers of Christ.

true, Bible (in Acts 11;26) records that it was first used in Antioch.

Christianity was really started by Paul.

- that's a Muslim belief

whom the disciples distanced themselves away from because his teachings were contrary to the teachings of Isa.

As Acts say Paul was accepted by James and Peter (leaders of church in Jerusalem). About Paul and others you can read in his letter and in Acts (that's about "Jerusalem council" - dispute between Paul and the rest about the way nonjewish christians should be treated).
So it seems they were in agreement.
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[duskiness]

whats the best way to aviod ure self from geting into such a situation?

probably avoid some situations .. but remeber that we believe that all people are sinful. we never live up to God's law. So we will never run away from sin. Point is: we should't seek sin and try to avoid it.
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[ZOREENA]

I dont get how priestz in the Catholic church have the 'power' to absolve sins and dish out repentance to the congregation, Im not sure where and how priests evolved, I think their should be only Doctor type people of religion, not people with special powerz and authority!!

 

[sameer]

Originally Posted by duskiness View Original
yes, it's consideres a sin against "You shall not commit adultery." (6 commandment). Lust is also considered sin: "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery '.But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5;27)

probably avoid some situations .. but remeber that we believe that all people are sinful. we never live up to God's law. So we will never run away from sin. Point is: we should't seek sin and try to avoid it.
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Well in islam there is the the prohibition of free intermingling between sexes outside of family. This is the best way to avoid that situation. Prevention is better than cure. Also there is the wearing of Hijab, loose clothing and the lowering of ones gaze to avoid the lustfull gazing between sexes.

These things have been clearly outlined in the Quran and the Sunnah and hence muslims donnot need to add/ change/update things to the religion because everything has been dealt with. The purpose of the messenger (saw) was not only to bring the mesage but also to show us how to live the message and show us how to avoid from getting ourselves in certain situations. Thats y Allah confirms in the Quran that he has completed the favor unto mankind (religion/ guidance) with Islam.

 

[Jayda]

(that's about "Jerusalem council" - dispute between Paul and the rest about the way nonjewish christians should be treated).
So it seems they were in agreement.
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I have a copy of what scholars believe is the declaration of the apostles from the council of jerusalem it is really interesting!

 

[Jayda]

Lebanese maronites are catholics too arent they? But why their priests can have wife and children?

I've seen Egyptian Coptic mass (i think it's Christmas mass on January) live on ART. They sings like Malaysian Muslims singing Barzanji in weddings or newborn celebrations.

They are kind of Catholic... they are like Ukrainian Catholics, in full communion with the Church but not actually part of it... i think