Practising Christians

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Jayda said:
Likewise, Magesterium does not contradict the principles or teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible, rather it teaches based on the principles and teachins of Jesus Christ and the Bible.



Yes, Jesus and the disciples discussed the Holy Spirit.
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When it comes to actual worship (eg. praying, fasting, day of Jumm'ah) and things surrounding/affecting that, then things arent supposed to be changed but rather followed as stated in the hadith and in the Quran. If they are changed or added, they are called Bid'ah or innovations. The prophet (saw) advised that innovations are to be rejected thus muslims today are realizing this and are refraining from doing this.

It is narrated on the authority of the Mother of the Believers, Umm 'Abdullah 'Aishah, radiyallahu 'anha, that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said:

"Whosoever introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. into Islam) something that does not belong to it, it is to be rejected."

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith05.htm

:giggling: i thought u would have stated what he said who the holyspirt was without my asking....but since u didnt...what did he say about it?
 
sameer said:
When it comes to actual worship (eg. praying, fasting, day of Jumm'ah) and things surrounding/affecting that, then things arent supposed to be changed but rather followed as stated in the hadith and in the Quran. If they are changed or added, they are called Bid'ah or innovations. The prophet (saw) advised that innovations are to be rejected thus muslims today are realizing this and are refraining from doing this.

It is narrated on the authority of the Mother of the Believers, Umm 'Abdullah 'Aishah, radiyallahu 'anha, that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said:

"Whosoever introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. into Islam) something that does not belong to it, it is to be rejected."

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith05.htm
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That is Islam, im talking about Christianity.

sameer said:
:giggling: i thought u would have stated what he said who the holyspirt was without my asking....but since u didnt...what did he say about it?
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I cant think of anything specifically off the top of my head...
 
Jayda said:
That is Islam, im talking about Christianity.



I cant think of anything specifically off the top of my head...
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u said "likewise" meaning that what christians do is similar to what is done in islam. SO i had to clear it up for u and show u its not at all alike.
 
No, the concept is identical. To remind you im talking about how the Church is not adding to the gospels by making rulings about christian practices, there is always an anchor in the bible.
 
Jayda said:
No, the concept is identical. To remind you im talking about how the Church is not adding to the gospels by making rulings about christian practices, there is always an anchor in the bible.
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its not identical because the church adds ways to pray, gods day and ways/times to fast. But the scholars dare not do this in islam. Theses things are already established in Quran and the sunnah. What the scholars may do is give a ruling in ones everyday life based on examples of sunnah and Quran eg. the prophet (saw) used to ride a camel for transportation to it is Halal for a person to use a car for transport....since this has no direct bearing on worship they can improvise and make rulings in that sense.
 
sameer said:
its not identical because the church adds ways to pray, gods day and ways/times to fast. But the scholars dare not do this in islam. Theses things are already established in Quran and the sunnah. What the scholars may do is give a ruling in ones everyday life based on examples of sunnah and Quran eg. the prophet (saw) used to ride a camel for transportation to it is Halal for a person to use a car for transport....since this has no direct bearing on worship they can improvise and make rulings in that sense.
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They are not "adding to the gospel" you wont find little "as amended" flags next to verses. Just like when Shariah judges make decisions about transportation you dont find "and cars, buses and airplanes" scribbled in the Quran next to references about Camels.

I see no difference in this practice.
 
Jayda said:
They are not "adding to the gospel" you wont find little "as amended" flags next to verses. Just like when Shariah judges make decisions about transportation you dont find "and cars, buses and airplanes" scribbled in the Quran next to references about Camels.

I see no difference in this practice.
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lol..........
U or someone said that the church added in things liek fasting (advent) . Fasting is a form of worship, is it not? Show me how that identical to camel and cars which has nothing to do with worship?
 
No, I said the Church added that to Christian practices under the authority of the Holy Spirit. I do not know what the Church classifies as forms of worship, I also did not say they added to the gospels.
 
lol interesting...

I like fasting (sounds masochistic i know), im not going to for advent this year since im pregnant but hopefully by lent i will be in condition to...
 
Mohsin said:
Christians are allowed to drink aren't they? So a practising christian wouldn't necessarily mean he doesn't drink?
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Partialy true. Some Christian denominations do forbid the use of alcohol in any amount or any form. I believe the most notable would be the Baptists and the Mormons.
 
Woodrow said:
Partialy true. Some Christian denominations do forbid the use of alcohol in any amount or any form. I believe the most notable would be the Baptists and the Mormons.
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The mormons also allows the several marriages-polygamy
 
Jayda said:
lol interesting...

I like fasting (sounds masochistic i know), im not going to for advent this year since im pregnant but hopefully by lent i will be in condition to...
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Im sorry, i thought u knew that fasting is a form of worship to muslims and I assumed that fasting is regarded the same way for u also. So what does the church classify as acts of worship?

hmmm u better take it easy and not do anything to deny that baby some nourishment:)
 
lol babies... im delivering twins (freaked out!!)

i dont know what the church classifies as an act of worship... but i know the vatican makes a difference between acts of worship, commitment, devotion, adoration and veneration
 
sameer said:
ok.?

what does the church say about polygamy? does the bible talk about this?
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mormons arent really christians... they have their own prophet and do not believe in the unity of God... polygamy is not allowed by the church...
 

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