Practising Christians

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sameer said:
so man added this to help the gospel beacuse it wasnt good enough at bringing ppl closer to God?
Arent u contradicting ure self when u say we depend on God for everything but things still needed to be added to his "gospel" to make it beter?
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nothing was added to the gospel... the church is the continuation of Jesus ministry... Catholics call it the bride of Christ and it retains the authority to teach and expound upon his teachings... by recommending practices like fasting to us the Church is just showing us how we can be closer to God... that is its job... it has nothing to do with inadequacy..
 
Jayda said:
nothing was added to the gospel... the church is the continuation of Jesus ministry... Catholics call it the bride of Christ and it retains the authority to teach and expound upon his teachings... by recommending practices like fasting to us the Church is just showing us how we can be closer to God... that is its job... it has nothing to do with inadequacy..
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I dont understand. I think we will keep goin in circles. U keep unmindfully agreeing with me with ure statements. Its right in ure own words. The church adds things cause it thinks the religon wasnt complete. Once u add things to Jesus (as) teachings...then it is no longer pure, it is has been change. Not so?

The question now, is that why didnt God complete the religion at that time? maybe it was in his plan to complete it at a later time?

Dont tell me the church can complete it beacuse the ppl of the church or not even the saints cannot compare to God or Jesus (in bringing a message), so therfore they have no right to "complete"\ change\ add things. It is known that men can be corrupted, today and in the past. So how can the religion be completed by men rather than God? Isnt it possible that men can write/change things to suit them? wasnt this done to allow for divorce?
Please ponder my comments for a while b4 u answer.
 
Sameer,
Perhaps it helps to remember that the Gospel is not written in a prescriptive way, as the Qu'ran seems to be.
Rather than beings a reference books of do's and don'ts, it is an account of Jesus life. To Christians he is the living word of God, the fulfillment of his laws, the beginning and the end.

Now, Jesus gave many instructions with regards to how we should conduct ourselves, and how to apply God's laws ... but it has remained for churches to decide how this will be put in place practically. That's why who have different denominations with different ways of following Jesus' word as best they feel they can.

I know from a Muslim perspective it seems strange, and I can sense your frustration - but is it really that much different in Islam? :?

As far as I understand the hadiths are advice added by humans to build on the Qu'ran. As far as I understand the interpretation of Qu'ran and hadiths, and how they should be applied to modern life, is left to scholars and knowledgeable Imams.
That doesn't sound too different to what Christians are doing ...

Keep remembering that the Qu'ran and the Bible don't fulfill the same purpose. They never have done, and they were never meant to be! You cannot compare them - it will never work.

Perhaps this helps a little bit.
I know our replies may be frustrating to you ... but it is just as frustrating to try to explain. :D

Peace.
 
glo said:
But I am sure that there are also more liberal Muslims who live Islam differently to those who are more traditional (i.e. wear Western clothes, no hijab, drink alcohol, smoke, listen to music ...). You may think that's non-Islamic, but if I asked them, they would probably describe themselves as good Muslims - regardless of what you think of them!
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I don't agree entirely. I know there are probably many "modern" muslims who do think they are good muslims despite doing what they do, but most, even though they won't pray and will listen top mjusic and go clubbing and drink alcohol etc, they will still acknowledge they are sinning. most of these will openly admit they are sinning, and will say to you "yeah I need to change, i know i'm doing bad", while others will deny it, but deep down they will know they are sinning, they just don't want to admit it in the open. Very few will actually believe what they are doing is fine.
 
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I think this is a good topic because we are actually learning about each other's faiths, rather than having debate wars.
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Fishman said:
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I think this is a good topic because we are actually learning about each other's faiths, rather than having debate wars.
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Yeah so far so good, I remember br Woodrow tried to have a thread like this once but it turned out bad
 
Mohsin said:
Yeah so far so good, I remember br Woodrow tried to have a thread like this once but it turned out bad
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Yeah, 48 posts so far ... we are doing well!! :D
We'll be fine as long as we all remain patient, polite and tolerant of each others views. :)
We have to accept that there will be areas in which we will not agree.
Much as we seek common ground, there will be areas where there is no common ground. ... that's when we need tolerance and the ability to say 'Let's agree to disagree' - and still remain friends! :)

Peace
 
Hello!

I have never met proper Christians before except for my previous Primary school Headmistress and the Vicar of a church, which the school used to go to only on special days and events e.g. Christmas.

So I think that Friends such as glo here explaining Christianity to the best of their knowledge on this board is good, useful and informative and it also gives everybody else an insight on how Christians spend their lives as Christians and what they do to submit themselves to God and how to please God. So this thread is useful in knowing some things about Christianity and Thank You Friend glo for posting in psts which all of us can read and know at least abit about Christianity.

Peace to you all
Qurratul Ayn
 
sameer said:
I dont understand. I think we will keep goin in circles. U keep unmindfully agreeing with me with ure statements. Its right in ure own words. The church adds things cause it thinks the religon wasnt complete. Once u add things to Jesus (as) teachings...then it is no longer pure, it is has been change. Not so?

The question now, is that why didnt God complete the religion at that time? maybe it was in his plan to complete it at a later time?

Dont tell me the church can complete it beacuse the ppl of the church or not even the saints cannot compare to God or Jesus (in bringing a message), so therfore they have no right to "complete"\ change\ add things. It is known that men can be corrupted, today and in the past. So how can the religion be completed by men rather than God? Isnt it possible that men can write/change things to suit them? wasnt this done to allow for divorce?
Please ponder my comments for a while b4 u answer.
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...do you know what the holy spirit is?
 
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Christians are allowed to drink aren't they? So a practising christian wouldn't necessarily mean he doesn't drink?
 
Mohsin said:
Christians are allowed to drink aren't they? So a practising christian wouldn't necessarily mean he doesn't drink?
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I don't remind the alcohol to be forbidden. But after me, the drinking should be very limited upto the point in which will no affect the man behaviour in his family. I would prefer 0.:D
 
Mohsin said:
Christians are allowed to drink aren't they? So a practising christian wouldn't necessarily mean he doesn't drink?
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yes we are allowed. what's more our, most important rite is Eucharist/Holy Communion/Lord's Supper in which we eat small amount of bread and sip a bit of wine.
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sameer said:
The holy spirit is revealed to us in the Quran as angel Gabriel (Jibraeel)
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The Holy Spirit guides the Church and continues Jesus mission and ministry on Earth. Its not that bible is "incomplete" it is just that the presence of God is not diminished now that Jesus went back to heaven... his presence lives in the Church and gives the Church the authority to make decisions based on what the Bible says. This isnt man correcting or adding to what God did, it is Gods continued work on Earth.

Not that advising us to fast during advent or other rituals is adding to the Bible, its just interpretation bringing us closer to God. Just like how when an islamic judge makes shariah he isnt adding anything to the Quran.
 
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Jayda said:
The Holy Spirit guides the Church and continues Jesus mission and ministry on Earth. Its not that bible is "incomplete" it is just that the presence of God is not diminished now that Jesus went back to heaven... his presence lives in the Church and gives the Church the authority to make decisions based on what the Bible says. This isnt man correcting or adding to what God did, it is Gods continued work on Earth.

Not that advising us to fast during advent or other rituals is adding to the Bible, its just interpretation bringing us closer to God. Just like how when an islamic judge makes shariah he isnt adding anything to the Quran.
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When an islamic jugde makes a decision based on shari'ah, he does it based on verses of Quran and Hadith, or the principles stated there. Eg. the Islam does not allow alcohol because it is intoxicatiing,addictive, harmful to health etc. so based on that a judge/scholar of islam would deem cocaine to be haraam although the prophet (saw) never spoke of cocaine.

DId jesus ever say what the holy spirit is?
 
sameer said:
When an islamic jugde makes a decision based on shari'ah, he does it based on verses of Quran and Hadith, or the principles stated there. Eg. the Islam does not allow alcohol because it is intoxicatiing,addictive, harmful to health etc. so based on that a judge/scholar of islam would deem cocaine to be haraam although the prophet (saw) never spoke of cocaine.
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Likewise, Magesterium does not contradict the principles or teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible, rather it teaches based on the principles and teachins of Jesus Christ and the Bible.

sameer said:
DId jesus ever say what the holy spirit is?
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Yes, Jesus and the disciples discussed the Holy Spirit.
 
therebbe said:
Does Islam believe all the Hadeeths from G-d?
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Hadiths are infact a form of revelation that the Prophet :arabic5: got.

53 : 2. Your companion (Muhammad
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) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
3. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
4. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

Sunan Abu Dawud:

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Narrated Al-Miqdam ibn Ma'dikarib: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Beware! I have been given the Qur'an and something like it, yet the time is coming when a man replete on his couch will say: Keep to the Qur'an; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited. Beware! The domestic ass, beasts of prey with fangs, a find belonging to confederate, unless its owner does not want it, are not permissible to you If anyone comes to some people, they must entertain him, but if they do not, he has a right to mulct them to an amount equivalent to his entertainment.

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Narrated AbuRafi': The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Let me not find one of you reclining on his couch when he hears something regarding me which I have commanded or forbidden and saying: We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book we have followed.

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