Prophet Jesus Crucifiction In Bible

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To all the women in this thread, with all my respect,

"On March 11, 2002, fourteen Saudi Arabian girls burned to death inside a public intermediate school in Mecca. Efforts to rescue several of these girls were thwarted by local members of the Committee to Preserve Virtue and Prevent Vice. Witnesses reported that any girls who were not wearing abayas, the traditional head-to-toe coverings, were pushed back into the burning dormitory."

Please check in http://lantos.house.gov/HoR/CA12/Human+Rights+Caucus/Archives/HUMAN+RIGHTS+IN+SAUDI+ARABIA.htm

Right now, living in open societies, your are free to choose whether to wear islamic dress or not. That is not necessarily the case in places in which Muslims are already a majority. Be careful.

The ulema who interpret the Quranic teachings are always men.
 
oh please...
we dont trust the kuffar nor do we trust their media. please dont try to put yourself in a difficult position on the day of reckoning! dont cheat yourself!
die in the state of true belief...in the state of Islam.
I dont agree with ure explanations and arguments against how Islam treats women...I feel sorry they way you think because majority of true muslim women are the happiest souls on earth. they are protected in the society, in their family..and their afterlife...
its really regretful...how unfotunate is the one who not only talks lies about Islam, but propogates falsehood about this beautiful deen.

btw we are going off topic..lets discuss if Jesus(pbuh) was crucified or not...
I dont think he was..if you have problems with that feel free to reply back
salaam
 
Say: 'O People of the Book, come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate not aught with Him; and do not some of us take others as Lords, apart from Allah. And if they turn their backs, say: 'Bear witness that we are Muslims’. (3:64)
 
Turin Turambar said:
To all the women in this thread, with all my respect,

"On March 11, 2002, fourteen Saudi Arabian girls burned to death inside a public intermediate school in Mecca. Efforts to rescue several of these girls were thwarted by local members of the Committee to Preserve Virtue and Prevent Vice. Witnesses reported that any girls who were not wearing abayas, the traditional head-to-toe coverings, were pushed back into the burning dormitory."

Please check in http://lantos.house.gov/HoR/CA12/Human+Rights+Caucus/Archives/HUMAN+RIGHTS+IN+SAUDI+ARABIA.htm

Right now, living in open societies, your are free to choose whether to wear islamic dress or not. That is not necessarily the case in places in which Muslims are already a majority. Be careful.

The ulema who interpret the Quranic teachings are always men.
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Actually, yes, this is off topic and Turin has already received an answer to this subject in one of my other posts on page 4 of this thread and I do believe a few others have answered him as well.

Wasalam
Hana
 
To everybody,

I am sorry. You are right. The subject of Islamic dress was off topic. But it wasn't solely my fault. Look at Sister Khadija's long post on the subject. It was such a temptation to me that I forgot that here we are debating something else and I answered it.

We share the guilt I guess.

As an appropriate penance I will wear a burqa for one hour...;)
 
As an appropriate penance I will wear a burqa for one hour...
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What you consider a punishment, some of us consider an honour and act of worship.

Hana
 
Turin Turambar said:
To everybody,

I am sorry. You are right. The subject of Islamic dress was off topic. But it wasn't solely my fault. Look at Sister Khadija's long post on the subject. It was such a temptation to me that I forgot that here we are debating something else and I answered it.

We share the guilt I guess.

As an appropriate penance I will wear a burqa for one hour...;)
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Assalaam Alakium,

In Islam we do not put blame on other people and point fingers. I was simply answering a question for another Sister. I appreciate the compliments on my post, but it was not ment to be replied too as a discussion. It was a thougrough answer to one question and I left it at that.

If anyone wanted to discuss it further, let us do what GOD tells us to do in this situation. THINK! What would GOD want us to do?

One of us, myself included, should have suggested pasting it into a new thread for further discussion.

Would we like to start a new thred on this? :sister: :? :happy:

I suggest we go back to the original question from the first post.

Moss said:
Basically the question is what is the islamic viewpoint on the events taking place after the alleged crucifiction, do we believe its just a fabrictaed story?
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Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was followed by a few disciples who were inspired by God to support him. Not only that, but the non-believers plotted to kill Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him), but God had a better plan for him and his followers as the Noble Qur'an tells us in the following verses (Which is translated as follows):“ Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause? Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah). Our Lord! We believed in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. La Ilaha Ill-Allah -- none has the right to be worshipped but Allah). And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus)], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the best of the planners. And (remember) when Allah said: O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheist, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Mohammed, 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc. (Peace Be Upon Him), or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), The Qur'an] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute. As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers” [Chapter 3: verses 52-56].

As the above verses indicate Jesus was raised to heaven before he died. This means that according to the Noble Qur'an he was not crucified. It was the plan of the enemies of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and somebody else was crucified. This plot and the false accusation about Mary are considered by the Noble Qur'an to be some of the sins of the non-believing Jews. All of this is made clear in the following verses (Which is translated as follows):“ And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse). And because of their saying (in boast). We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah, -- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam [Mary]. But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he (Peace Be Upon Him) is in the heaven). And Allah is ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being], before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jews or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them” [Chapter 4: verses 156-159].


Moss said:
As muslims obviously we believe this, but to a christian he would say there were all these witnesses that saw him after the crucifiction, were all of them lieing?
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No, when you lie it is because you know the truth. The Apostles did NOT know the truth, only what they saw. Jesus (Peace be upon him) was alone in the Garden for, they say 30 minutes, before he was arrested. What ever happend in those moments were solely between God and Jesus. Anything between the two of them is possible. We are talking about GOD! He took Jesus, made the switch, end of story.

What the Apostles wrote is only what they saw and many things of GOD are beyond human comprehension. Who are we to deny that God would have done this? The reason he did is the question.

It was to test all of human kind. The reason we are here to be tested. So when we come to judgement day we are tested based on what knowledge did we have and what did we do with it? Make the right or wrong choices?

:sister: Sister Khadija
 
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Awww sis, no one is blaming you for answering the sisters question. :)

But, Mr. Turin, likes to avoid the topic at hand sometimes and use another's post to do that. ;) I just wanted to re-direct his attention to where me, you and others already covered what he was trying to bring up again and to keep him on topic.

It was a wonderful post sis and you answered her question beautifully, mashallah. :D (Now if we could just get Turin to read it. :p)

Wasalam
Hana
 
To everybody,

My last post for today! I know that you will not miss me...;)

Hana_Aku, why do you think I wouldn't read the posts? That would make no sense, I would be debating with myself! There is no fun in that! I read the last post here, the one that says:

"The Apostles did NOT know the truth, only what they saw. Jesus (Peace be upon him) was alone in the Garden for, they say 30 minutes, before he was arrested. What ever happend in those moments were solely between God and Jesus. Anything between the two of them is possible. We are talking about GOD! He took Jesus, made the switch, end of story."

So according to the Muslim view God deliberately FOOLED the Apostles into believing that the real Jesus was arrested.

What a God you believe in!

So the one answering the questions of the Roman magistrate was "fake-Jesus" and the one who spoke from the Cross was also "fake-Jesus". All the time his followers (including his own mother, covered in tears) were being FOOLED by God.

I will have to take a rest.

But as Arnold says, I will be back...;)
 
Hana_Aku, why do you think I wouldn't read the posts? That would make no sense, I would be debating with myself!
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I say it because both I and Sister Khadija responded in full to that subject and had you read what was posted, you wouldn't have responded with what you said about those Saudi Women. That has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. Period!

Sooooooo, anyway....back to topic. Let me ask you this: If Jesus, pbuh, died on the cross, who was the man that confronted the disciples later claiming to be Jesus, pbuh?

Ohhh, and of course we'd miss you....like a bad case of the flu. :p :giggling: Just kidding. lol Actually, I for one, look forward to continuing dialogue. So, see ya later. :D

Peace
Hana
 
Turin Turambar said:
To everybody,

My last post for today! I know that you will not miss me...;)

Hana_Aku, why do you think I wouldn't read the posts? That would make no sense, I would be debating with myself! There is no fun in that! I read the last post here, the one that says:

"The Apostles did NOT know the truth, only what they saw. Jesus (Peace be upon him) was alone in the Garden for, they say 30 minutes, before he was arrested. What ever happend in those moments were solely between God and Jesus. Anything between the two of them is possible. We are talking about GOD! He took Jesus, made the switch, end of story."

So according to the Muslim view God deliberately FOOLED the Apostles into believing that the real Jesus was arrested.

What a God you believe in!

So the one answering the questions of the Roman magistrate was "fake-Jesus" and the one who spoke from the Cross was also "fake-Jesus". All the time his followers (including his own mother, covered in tears) were being FOOLED by God.

I will have to take a rest.

But as Arnold says, I will be back...;)
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Your fun and respectful to debate with, thanks! :happy: :)

The in the Garden switch is only a possibilty. It could have happend at anytime. The point is, the Bible went through such a cut and paste job when it was finally made into a book, how do we know the Disciples actually did not say in their writings, and it appeared they crucified him instead of and they crucified him.

Mary and the Disciples could have been the only ones to know, could have written about it, and could have had their words changed when the bible was finally created by Constantine 200 years after Jesus was gone. They were all astray already before they even wrote the bible.

Salaam,
Sister Kahdija
 
Sister Khadija said:
No, when you lie it is because you know the truth. The Apostles did NOT know the truth, only what they saw. Jesus (Peace be upon him) was alone in the Garden for, they say 30 minutes, before he was arrested. What ever happend in those moments were solely between God and Jesus. Anything between the two of them is possible. We are talking about GOD! He took Jesus, made the switch, end of story.

What the Apostles wrote is only what they saw and many things of GOD are beyond human comprehension. Who are we to deny that God would have done this? The reason he did is the question.

It was to test all of human kind. The reason we are here to be tested. So when we come to judgement day we are tested based on what knowledge did we have and what did we do with it? Make the right or wrong choices?

:sister: Sister Khadija
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No you don't understand what i am talking about. AFTER the alledged crucifixion, Jesus is said to have spoken to his disciples in the Bible. So my question is when was he raised up, if it was immediately in the garden, then who is the person that is talking to the disciples in the Bible, what i mean is, what is the muslim perspective of this. Do we believe it's just another fabricated story, and that it did not actually happen? Or have we got another possible answer for it
 
Sister Khadija,

Thanks for that comment! I really appreciate it. I feel that we are almost friends by now....

But that doesn't mean that I am not looking for arguments against what you say. I will keep posting for everybody to have fun bashing me....;)
 

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