Prove Allah exists

[Masuma]

An33za,

As Trumble has pointed out, above, laws can be disproven. Newton's Law of Gravity, for example, was replaced by Einstein's General Theory of Relativity (that introduced new laws of motion under gravitational fields that successfully predicted the bending of light by gravity and correctly calculated Mercury's orbit etc.). Laws are not the apex of science, Theories are. A Law is simply a relationship that affects all objects that undergo the situation in question - they are generic prediction tools. However, they offer no underlying explanation for why that relationship is accurate. A Theory does provide the underlying explanation and any Laws implicit in the Theory should be able to be derived from the Theory. Theories 'outrank' Laws as a result and are what science strives to develop in order to increase our understanding of reality.

Oh come on! I didn't even know this post was addressed to me! Not fair! :blind:

Now what I was trying to say is that there are some things in the world which can definitely be proven. Theories should never be relied upon as theories many times can takes U-turn.

But the Laws f science are now established theories.

Lets have another example. Previously, people believed that Earth was flat. But with the advancement of technology, we finally discovered through the satellites that it was spherical in shape (or whatever because yesterday my phy teacher said that it is not exactly spherical). So the point is that now we 100%, without any doubt, know the shape of Earth. This can't be dis proven. (Or would you still insist that some day people would discover it to be triangular in shape and thus it can also be disproved :uuh:??? LOL! ;D)

Btw, I'm tired of this discussion. You people are going so off-topic. I'm bored! :

 

[Masuma]

Hmmmm...okay so I'm in!

Nuclear energy. Flash drives. The laser.

By the way, this whole topic is silly. Nobody can prove the existence of God any more than someone else can disprove it. One can only explain why they believe the way that they do.

AAAAHAHAHA! your talking insane! Nobody can prove that you exist or that we all exist, any more than someone else can disprove it!!! LOL! But for someone to "disprove" our existence, he has to exist! (the mother of all LOLs! )

Please titus!

Ps, go team Muslim! Go team Muslim!

 

[titus]

"I think therefore I am" eh? Descartes would be proud.

Ps, go team Muslim! Go team Muslim!

I am saying both sides are wasting their breath trying to prove or disprove the existence of God.

So... go team sideline?

 

[tango92]

^ no. as muslims we can prove Allah swt exists no shadow of a doubt. however it requires a person to open their eyes to it.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Nuclear energy. Flash drives. The laser.

Nonsense. I give up. You people just don't want to learn...

You give me answers for the useless things that you find in wikipedia and never ask yourself who write wikipedia.

Who makes computer viruses - why don't you answer that? It's not in wikipedia? You didn't study this in
the university.

Answer me the tough questions wise guy - otherwise don't answer me at all...because you give yourself a wrong
impression that you know something when you do not.

 

[titus]

Who makes computer viruses - why don't you answer that? It's not in wikipedia? You didn't study this in
the university.

Which computer virus? You have some companies that make them (especially the annoying spyware). You also have the people that make them at home because they are losers and causing misery makes them feel better. There is not a single entity making all computer viruses so there is not a single answer to your question.

Well, unless you believe in silly conspiracy theories.

Not that this has anything to do with this thread, really.

Nonsense. I give up. You people just don't want to learn...

Teach what? That lasers weren't theorized before they were invented? That theoretic science is not useful? If it weren't for theoretic science you would not have had actual applications such as space exploration, many advances in medicine, and much computer technology. These advances were not made by accident, they were theories that were later engineered into reality.

as muslims we can prove Allah swt exists no shadow of a doubt. however it requires a person to open their eyes to it.

No, you can explain why you believe in Allah. You yourself can have no doubts. That is different than proving it.

 

[marwen]

"I think therefore I am" eh? Descartes would be proud.

Now prove me that you exist. You just proved it to yourself, but I'm not you, I'm not sure you're thinking, so I'm not sure you exist.

 

[titus]

Now prove me that you exist. You just proved it to yourself, but I'm not you, I'm not sure you're thinking, so I'm not sure you exist.

Exactly. Now prove to me that God exists? Or prove that he doesn't exist?

Yeah, not gonna happen.

 

[marwen]

Exactly. Now prove to me that God exists? Or prove that he doesn't exist?

Yeah, not gonna happen.

The point is (inspired by the OP), some things can exist even if there is no clear scientific evidence supporting their existence. Asking for logical/empirical/scientific evidence for every thing as a condition to accept it is just stupid : you will deny the most intuitive truths you live with, like your existence or the food you're eating.

 

[titus]

I agree completely. Yet how much longer do you think it will be until another thread pops here with someone "proving" that God exists, or "proving" that God doesn't exist?

 

[marwen]

I agree completely. Yet how much longer do you think it will be until another thread pops here with someone "proving" that God exists, or "proving" that God doesn't exist?

Not very long, because people are still thinking the same way : materially proving. We need to see and touch things to believe in them, we can't understand/accept signs and traces as evidences. The ridicule thing is that we're not so rigorous and scientific in our daily life. But when it comes to God and supernatural things we just want to be so logical .

 

[tango92]

^yh people get caught up in these things because of shaitan.

look the best way to think about it. absolutely logically, no belief required here, is that the universe is so complex it must have come from somewhere. we know the universe had a beginning that just adds more evidence to the pile. next step is identifying atributes of the source. and etc. eventually you will come to islam. which is the ONLY religion with proof to it.

so many atheists foolishly say "oh theres no proof either way so we take the default position and say theres no god". your wrong the evidence is overwhelming for Gods existence! but your looking for one part/attribute of Allah you dont understand to deny his existence altogether. subhanAllah.

 

[Masuma]

"I think therefore I am" eh?

taken from a joke,...come on, you can be better than that! (though the joke was awesome!)

Descartes would be proud.

What? What does this mean???

I am saying both sides are wasting their breath trying to prove or disprove the existence of God.

If the other person is one with a seal on his heart (nothing, no evidence would make a difference) THAN it is a waste of time! But what if the other person would understand and realize the truth in the end by God's mercy? So there is always a chance, a beautiful hope!

I know nothing about your case. Time will show. But so far you've proven to be no different. So indeed a waste of time.

And just to clear up the confusion, it is a Muslim's duty to call people to God's way, to hope and pray for their guidance. It is our duty to do Dawah (calling people to God's way). But realize that our duty is only limited to CALLING people only, not to make them ACCEPT or UNDERSTAND the reality. This is because this power is ONLY in the hands of God; He guides whom He wills!

So... go team sideline?

your not in that team! You have started now a whole new discussion!

 

[Masuma]

Now prove me that you exist. You just proved it to yourself, but I'm not you, I'm not sure you're thinking, so I'm not sure you exist.

Exactly. Now prove to me that God exists? Or prove that he doesn't exist?

AAAHAHAHA! Asking a new question in reply to a question is not actually ANSWERING it!
Prove us your existence! ;D

But seriously, you want a new discussion? Now YOU want us to prove God's existence?

I agree completely. Yet how much longer do you think it will be until another thread pops here with someone "proving" that God exists, or "proving" that God doesn't exist?

Yeah as pointed out, not so long. Believers are only a few in a world of trillions! But this is how it works, this is how life works. If someone gets a blessing from God, he would obviously want to share it with others (if he is really grateful and nice). Same way, we Muslims hope for all the world to one day accept truth. And for this, we struggle and we strive! We do Dawah (calling people to Allah's way) with non-Muslims.



[GO team Muslim, go team Muslim] LOL!!!

 

[Pygoscelis]

^ no. as muslims we can prove Allah swt exists no shadow of a doubt. however it requires a person to open their eyes to it.

That line of thought takes us right back to the Flying Spaghetti monster. I thought we were beyond that now.

 

[Ramadhan]

That line of thought takes us right back to the Flying Spaghetti monster. I thought we were beyond that now.

What has the flying spaghetti monster claimed to be/to do?

We prove that Allah SWT exists by the claims that He has made.

 

[tango92]

That line of thought takes us right back to the Flying Spaghetti monster. I thought we were beyond that now.

you need to get over your ego, then maybe we can move past this point. honestly its not that hard

 

[Muslimeen]

It's so obvious. Take for example what the quran says about human embryonic develepment. The quran was revealed approximately 1400 yrs ago, how is it possible the Muhammad Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam new this 1400 yrs ago which scientist have only recently discovered. I will post it after I reach 50 post, it's got pictures and makes it so much easier to understand.

 

[Trumble]

It's so obvious. Take for example what the quran says about human embryonic develepment. The quran was revealed approximately 1400 yrs ago, how is it possible the Muhammad Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam new this 1400 yrs ago which scientist have only recently discovered. I will post it after I reach 50 post, it's got pictures and makes it so much easier to understand.

Because it was copied from the Greeks who got there rather earlier, that's how it's possible. But we've been here before..... you will find plenty of desperate denials of that obvious fact (that you will no doubt find perfectly satisfactory) elsewhere.

You believe what you want to believe, 'proof' has next to nothing to do with it.

 

[tango92]

^ wow i wonder which anti islam site you got that from. ever tried researching it yourself?
so much more unique detail is given in the quran compared to what the greeks came up with, and no mistakes were copied. desperate denials, what a joke. its more like a desperate attempt to prove the counter argument

do you know your sources also claim the greeks knew the big bang theory? just to explain the quranic verse:

Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them as asunder, and We made from water every living thing. will they not then believe?" (The Qur'an, 21:30)

look at how plain Allah makes his signs.
or is that verse referring to something other than the big bang. what a joke...