Proving The Existence Of Allah (swt)to An Atheist

[ranma1/2]

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if you can only believe something that you have scientific evidence for, that's your choice. seems somewhat limiting to me, but that's ok.

I think there is a difference when you are looking at baseing a entire way of life. I personaly choose to look at the evidence and accept what is the best answer. I happily look at new evidence and if it points to something else then ill have something else to accept.

 

[Gator]

Salam.


okay i think i got it..

for my first question.

Hmm...people will say i'm crazy if i just make a claim my watch is just exist..i dont buy it..no body make it..it's just exist..

how on earth people do not say i'm crazy if this universe if just exist..it don't start..it's just exist.?

for my second question.
i think this is valid one..because we're human..at least we're most superior creature on earth and it will be absurd for us if we worship something lower than ourself like stone,statue,picture,animal,tree or anything.

then question is who is the God?

and my third question.

Miracle...well Quran is miracle..there is verse confirming science today..since Quran revealed 1400 years ago..it's impossible that Quran is manmade..unless somebody can prove Prophet Muhammad did take a science class.]

We see the universe around us. Nobody knows how it got here. While you come to the conclusion that Allah made it, I wouldn't make that jump. I see a chaotic jumble guided by physical laws.

example from Harun Yahya site.

THE STAR SIRIUS

When certain concepts mentioned in the Qur'an are studied in the light of 21st century scientific discoveries we find ourselves imparted with yet more miracles of the Qur'an. One of these is the star Sirius, mentioned in Surat an-Najm 49:

... it is He Who is the Lord of Sirius. (Qur'an, 53: 49)

The fact that the Arabic word "shi'raa," the equivalent of the star Sirius, appears only in Surat an-Najm, meaning only "star," 49 is particularly striking. Because, considering the irregularity in the movement of Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, as their starting point, scientists discovered that it was actually a double star. Sirius is actually a set of two stars, known as Sirius A and Sirius B. The larger of these is Sirius A, which is also the closer to the Earth and the brightest star that can be seen with the naked eye. Sirius B, however, cannot be seen without a telescope.

The Sirius double stars orbit in ellipses about one another. The orbital period of Sirius A & B about their common centre of gravity is 49.9 years. This scientific data is today accepted with one accord by the departments of astronomy at Harvard, Ottawa and Leicester Universities.2 This information is reported as follows in various sources:

Sirius, the brightest star, is actually a twin star... Its orbit lasts 49.9 years.3

As is known, the stars Sirius-A and Sirius-B orbit each other in a double bow every 49.9 years.4

The point requiring attention here is the double, bow-shaped orbit of the two stars around one another.

However, this scientific fact, the accuracy of which was only realised in the late 20th century, was miraculously indicated in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago. When verses 49 and 9 of Surat an-Najm are read together, this miracle becomes apparent:

It is He Who is the Lord of Sirius. (Qur'an, 53: 49)

He was two bow-lengths away or even closer. (Qur'an, 53:9)

The description in Surat an-Najm 9 may also describe how these two stars approach one another in their orbits. (Allah knows best.) This scientific fact, that nobody could have known at the time of the revelation of the Qur'an, once again proves that the Qur'an is the word of Almighty Allah.

how are we going to refute this?]

The orbit of Sirius AB is 50.09 years, not 49.9. Even with its wobble, 49.9 is too short.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...GH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf

and this?

Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran makes very important scientific claims:

"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!" (The Noble Quran, 11:7)"

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

"It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)"

"And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45)"

"Protoplasm is the basis of all living matter, and 'the vital power of protoplasm seems to depend on the constant presence of water' (Lowsons' Text-book of Botany, Indian Edition. London 1922, p. 23). Text books of Zoology are also clear on the point. For example, see T.J. Parker and W.A. Haswell, Textbook of Zoology, London, 1910, Vol I. p. 15: 'Living protoplasm always contains a large amount of water.' " [2]

"About 72 percent of the surface of our Globe is still covered with water, and it has been estimated that if the inequalities of the surface were all leveled, the whole surface would be under water, as the mean elevation of land sphere-level would be 7,000-10,000 feet below the surface of the ocean (cf. 11:7). This shows the predominance of water on our Globe. That all life began in the water is also a conclusion to which our latest knowledge in biological science points. Apart from the fact that protoplasm, the original basis of living matter, is liquid or semi-liquid and in a state of constant flux and instability, there is the fact that land animals, like the higher vertebrates, including man, show, in their embryological history, organs like those of fishes, indicating the watery origin of their original habitat. The constitution of protoplasm is about 80 to 85 percent water (see also 24:30-31 and 24:45)." [3]

We are made of water and other chemicals. If it had said both I'd be more willing to even consider this.

The science thing I kind of doubt because you really have to read into things and fit things to make it make sense. If it was more plain as day I'd be less of a skeptic.

EVERYONE: Again, we are not trying to convert each other or preach. We are just exchanging ideas. I am trying to answer his questions to give him a better view of who I am. I like discussing religion because I think it provides an insight into what makes us differnt in our approach to come to grips with how the world works.

Thanks.

 

[Pygoscelis]

think there is a difference when you are looking at baseing a entire way of life. I personaly choose to look at the evidence and accept what is the best answer. I happily look at new evidence and if it points to something else then ill have something else to accept.

The best answer in my view is honesty. Simply admit you don't know. It isn't as unconfortable not claiming to know as people seem to think.

 

[جوري]

typical Atheist writes then runs frightened re-edits the entire contents of his post.. Well I have wasted my time on a reply and so it shall remain!

I have already stated my opinion on this thread ... I neither gain nor lose anything from an Atheist belief or lack thereof and I don't believe the rest of the community/ world does either... No one is going to sit here and distil their life long search and experience for you so you can dispense with the usual contumelies!
what you do, ultimately you do or don't do unto yourself... how does it affect me whether or not you believe in God, and why should I have to defend my beliefs to anyone Atheist or otherwise? Some people have non sequitur logic, you tell them watermelons taste great and they say they have allergies.... what is the point in trying to get them to have a bite? live and let live.. I didn't start this thread, I usually think they become deranged with everyone trying oh so extra hard to prove something to the other.. Atheists typically fancy themselves scientifically able-- but aren't! -- rather than drag this on for days and waste everyone's time.. I think the thread should be closed.. it reached the end of its value 3 pages ago ..
have a great one!

 

[Woodrow]

Conclusion that somebody much smarter than me once said:

"To the true believer, no proof is necessary. To the non believer, no proof is sufficient." - Peter James

Nothing else can or need be added to this thread.

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